Pedophilia Guide Author Arrested

reply to post by Byteman


He IS guilty!! He has molested and will molest again...hang him by the balls!!! Case closed.

reply to post by Resurrectio


Here's the trouble. You're advocating the death - in specific, the torturous, painful, prolonged death - of a man who wrote something you dislike. You express this opinion in such a way that it's incredibly obvious that seeing this man writhing in agony before expiring would bring you intense psychic, perhaps even physical pleasure.

So far as I'm aware, Philip R. Greaves' sole crime is violating a Floridian blue law that is, in all likelihood, being very selectively enforced and, just as likely, will be thrown out of court. Weird dude who wrote a creepy book? Sure. Worthy of some pervert spanking off and mouthbreathing while he's tortuously murdered? Probably not.

Why is it that the mention of pedophelia always brings out the guro pervs, exactly?

reply to post by TheWalkingFox


I would never call you a dumbass.. Why did you feel it necessary to call me a dumbass in such a thinly veiled way?

I feel bad for you.. Your crazy little brain made that correlation, and it made you look silly. How are they related? Did the cartoon detail how to hunt and molest children? Did it detail stories of raping children? Did the Author of the cartoon say " I think 9 year olds are capable of making sexual decisions?"

Is this Author a Muslim? Is the cartoon artist a pedophile? Thats a tricky little cerebral cortex you have there.. It just comes up with really ranDUM correlations.

Other than both being on paper, how are these 2 related?

I have let my emotions get the best of me here..

I am going to be very very honest here. No BS.. NO Drama!

Do I hope this guy dies in custody... yes I do.. Sorry but I do.
Do I think that this book will be used by pedo's to assist in their attacks on children. I do.
Do I think that this man is a pedo time bomb ready to explode and ruin a family. I do.
Do I think that this was entrapment? It isn't .. not one person on this thread can prove it is entrapment. Other than being an armchair lawyer.. Come with facts.. I have looked up FL's laws.. this is not considered entrapment...

You can't say that you feel this is wrong.. can you? Its not illegal entrapment.. So that means you can't have an opinion saying otherwise??.. That's what I have done.. So don't be a hypocrite. I am not allowed to have an opinion that goes against the 1st, without being blasted .. so you can't either!


I think that the 1st amendment can be tweaked to cover this exact situation. I am not talking about porn.. bomb making. how to kill the president.. I am specifically talking about a "how to" book on how to molest children.

Why can't we make this change? Do you think the founding fathers would have meant for the 1st to cover this? No way! Are we to stupid to make logical updates to these amendment?

I understand where everyone is coming from on this I really do.. there are a few members that want to call names and show their ignorance.. All your doing is getting emotionally charged over something that you believe in... Similar but different of what I am doing..

I would like to see this man sent to prison for life.. Not for writing a book. As he sits.. he will be out soon.. I am hoping they recover evidence from his HD and that a victim comes forward and accuses this man of that he is teaching.

I see everyone agreeing that this is wrong.. But, your argument is 1st amendment.. So if the police found a way to legally get this guy.. INSIDE of the confines of the law... What is the problem?

This man is a scum bag.. After watching that video, I am convinced he has molested children.. Now before the armchair lawyers get up in arms.. That is MY OPINION!! I think this kid toucher is going to have a host of victims come forward, now that he is all over the news..

A few folks are making a correlation between my wanting the guy dead, and him writing a book detailing molesting children "safely" without detection.... If this makes me a hypocrite then so be it!

I hope they dig deep into this monsters PC and past transgressions and find him guilty of at least 30 to 40 years worth of nastiness! I can only assume in 40 years, the prisoners will find out about his hobbies and treat him to a really romantic stay in the pen.

I am making no apologies... Anyone that could sit down and write this book is a broken human.. they are not fixable! I really do hope this guys days are limited.

reply to post by Resurrectio


There is no confusion.

You don't understand entrapment

You don't understand the difference between solicitation and encouragement

You don't understand that a police sting can still be entrapment

You think a sting or a bust automatically makes someone guilty

Hanson doesn't encourage anyone

You don't understand what ignorance means.

You don't understand that the First Amendment cannot be tailored in such a way.

You want a man denied his trial, and murdered in his cell.

Those are the facts. there is no confusion here.

Originally posted by peter_kandra
As much as I think this guy is a scum bag and should have his nuts cut off, he's free to write about whatever he wants. To me, it's no different than someone writing about making bombs or hacking. Now if his book contains child porn images and he's actually breaking a law, then that's different. Freedom of speech is a double edged sword folks.

The cnn article about this perv said he used examples and illustrations using 9 and 13 year old boys. Hopefully he can get slammed with that.

I do have to add this. I definitely see this as wrong, and him as an enemy. If I saw him face to face, yes I would want to tear into him as if he harmed my own kids. Crap like he written could very well be used by someone else to harm a child. I did read Amazon pulled it. Yet, God taught us to love our enemies. I do pray for his soul. I pray that he listens to the people God sends him. I pray he repents, and turns his life around, and accepts Jesus as his Lord and savior. If he does, I pray he uses his knowledge for the good in stopping bad things happening to the children. If he ever committed a pedophile act it is a grievous sin, but I also know Jesus still loves him. Jesus is still willing to accept this man, if this man turns to him. If he dies without Jesus, then it is too late for him. I shudder to think of what is going to happen to him then.

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by Resurrectio

 

Here's the trouble. You're advocating the death - in specific, the torturous, painful, prolonged death - of a man who wrote something you dislike. You express this opinion in such a way that it's incredibly obvious that seeing this man writhing in agony before expiring would bring you intense psychic, perhaps even physical pleasure.

I was speaking out of emotions when i said writing in pain.. Do I wish him dead? Yes.. But some physical pleasure out of it? .. go project elsewhere!

So far as I'm aware, Philip R. Greaves' sole crime is violating a Floridian blue law that is, in all likelihood, being very selectively enforced and, just as likely, will be thrown out of court. Weird dude who wrote a creepy book? Sure. Worthy of some pervert spanking off and mouthbreathing while he's tortuously murdered? Probably not.

wow.. I see whats going on here.. How much did the shipping on this book cost you? Have you learned how to stalk children more successfully because of it?

Is this how your abuser acted? perv? really? Are you just trying to push buttons?
So lets get this straight.. You have called me a dumbass.. and then have gone on to call me a pervert..
Is it not apparent that this is an emotional issue for me to talk about? I have a phobia about predators.. I was never abused nor do I know anyone that has been... But I have a buddy who's little girl disappeared 4 years ago, and have watched his life destroyed..

To me, our kids are the most important thing that we need to protect. If we continue to hide behind these laws, these predators are only going to become more empowered. Someone needs to take a stand.. We need this law changed...

Why is it that the mention of pedophelia always brings out the guro pervs, exactly?

So obvious!!! this guy is a member of MAMBLA! there it is.. Now you see the motivation!
Pervs really? So you are an offended kid toucher eh? Don't you feel 5 kinds of yucky thinking about kids this way?

"spanking off and mouthbreathing" Is this how you talk to children?

reply to post by Byteman



Why are you so hung up on a technicality..he wrote the book...he has tried to flog it..therefore a criminal...its people like you that allow the scumbags to walk the streets!! ..disgraceful

reply to post by Resurrectio


Yes, I do know something of substance. It's called the US Constitution. Unlike you, proceeding upon assumptions of guilt, and wishes that a man get killed in his cell.

The book was not just "sent to FL", it was actively ordered by the Poke County Sheriff dept.

The law they are charging him with is a FL law.
So what? Why are you asking that like I'm ignorant of it? I read the article.

The police encouraged him to send sell them the book, knowing it was illegal in their jurisdiction. Since the author obviously doesn't regularly violate this FL statute, that makes it entrapment via encouragement.

Again, the only person operating on ignorance or being stubborn here is you.

You are ignoring the US Constitution.
You are ignoring Due process.
You are ignoring the principle of Innocent until proven guilty.

reply to post by RelentlessLurker


Are you kidding me?

Man, it's pretty simple. People are arrested on perceived threats all the time.
If someone walks into a public space and waves around what appears to be a gun in his pocket, indiscriminately -he will be arrested, even if it turns out that what was in his pocket was a banana. He would still be arrested.

This man has been arrested for obscenity, because his work meets the criteria for that. But, not only is it obscene, it is a perceived threat of harm. A non-fiction, how-to manual for the harm of children.

Too much emphasis has been placed on attacking the OP, and not enough has been placed on understanding what the nature of the arrest was.

reply to post by Gakus


Freedom of Speech protects ALL non-inflammatory speech. That is why in public the KKK can say Whites are superior, but they cannot say in public that Blacks are N-words or inferior or whatever. They have to save that for their private meetings.

As distasteful as the material in the book is, it isn't inflammatory and insults no one. Also, since it is a guide it passes the Miller test, since it doesn't appeal only to prurient interests.

Lock him up and throw away the key? Only as long as he gets a trial first.

The first amendment is NOT about picking and choosing what speech we like, that is called censorship.
The first is about making sure that someones right to non-inflammatory speech is protected.

Same goes with the rest of the bill of rights, it's not about picking and choosing what we like, it's about choosing what is fair for EVERYONE.

It actually IS blanket protection, even for people who you have personally declared guilty before their trial.

Simply put, you have demonstrated that you don't really understand the bill of rights or the concept of a living document. Nor do you respect the Supreme law of the land that says a man is innocent unless proven guilty.

reply to post by Resurrectio


Actually, you said you want him killed in police custody.

Denying him his right to a trial.

reply to post by XLR8R


WOW! You're just as bad as Resurrectio. Can you tell me who he has molested? Because I watched an interview, THROUGH THIS THREAD, that he says he's never done anything like that. For all you know, this book is just his personal feelings on how a molestation relationship should have gone FOR HIM when he was molested. The book could've been a sort of way to relieve the stress or whatever one might feel. YOU DON'T KNOW.

This is what you sound like if you were alive during the witch hunts in the 1500's.

Judge: Witches! Witches I's tell ye! We just arrested a man who wrote a book about witches!

XLR8R: HANG HIM BY HIS BALLS! WE NEED NO TRIAL!


My point is, what's next? What if someone writes a do-it-yourself abortion guide?

I don't see what the issue is here? Except for a police station breaking their own "obscenity" law by ordering a book that, apparently, their state deems illegal. A book is a book... never should they be illegal. NO MATTER WHAT.

reply to post by Resurrectio


Do you even read what you post?
That reference agrees with me.

Florida law [6]. The court stated that, "The essential element of the defense of entrapment is the absence of a predisposition of the defendant to commit the offense.

This guy hasn't been charged with any other violations of FL's obscenity laws, nor does he have any convictions for breaking FL's obscenity laws. So he is not predisposed to breaking them.

The entrapment defense prohibits law enforcement officers from instigating a criminal act by persons otherwise innocent in order to lure them to its commission and to punish them.

The Florida police instigated the criminal act by ordering the book.
He was otherwise innocent, until they lured him by ordering the book.

I never said anything about them forcing him to send the book to FL, so way to try and put words in my mouth.

Originally posted by Resurrectio
reply to post by TheWalkingFox

 

I would never call you a dumbass.. Why did you feel it necessary to call me a dumbass in such a thinly veiled way?

I feel bad for you.. Your crazy little brain made that correlation, and it made you look silly. How are they related? Did the cartoon detail how to hunt and molest children? Did it detail stories of raping children? Did the Author of the cartoon say " I think 9 year olds are capable of making sexual decisions?"

Is this Author a Muslim? Is the cartoon artist a pedophile? Thats a tricky little cerebral cortex you have there.. It just comes up with really ranDUM correlations.

Other than both being on paper, how are these 2 related?

They're related because some wafflehead dislikes what's on the paper and insists that the person responsible for putting it on that paper be cruelly tortured then murdered outside of a trial for the lethal crime of offending that wafflehead's sensibilities with what they put on that paper.

I have let my emotions get the best of me here..

I am going to be very very honest here. No BS.. NO Drama!

You sure you knowwhat "BS" and "drama" are? 'cause you're supplying both in ample quantity in the next few lines.

Do I hope this guy dies in custody... yes I do.. Sorry but I do.

Then you're, simply put, a terrible person, and probably more damaged than the creepy guy you want to see dead.

Do I think that this book will be used by pedo's to assist in their attacks on children. I do.

Read the book, then get back to us with whether this is actually true or not. What little bit i've found online seems to imply it's more a sort of guide to help the kids. Creepy and unneeded? Without a doubt, but it's apparently not the "how-to" guide some say it is. I'm personally not going to spend my money on it, even if I could find it. I don't buy Stephanie Meyer, either.

Do I think that this man is a pedo time bomb ready to explode and ruin a family. I do.

Maybe he is. But this isn't The Minority Report. We don't arrest - much less torture and kill people for crimes we think they might commit.

Do I think that this was entrapment? It isn't .. not one person on this thread can prove it is entrapment. Other than being an armchair lawyer.. Come with facts.. I have looked up FL's laws.. this is not considered entrapment...

Fact is, the obscenity law in question would target a copy of Penthouse before it targets this book - Penthouse is illustrated (in full glossy color!), descriptive, and demonstrates sex acts. Unless the prosecution can demonstrate that they're just as hard-nosed about everything from Qwik-e-Mart skin rags, to Jessica Rabbit songs, to internet porn, the case is not going to hold water, because unless the prosecution can demonstrate this, they're pretty much just conducting a witch trial. They're going to try to turn it into a trial about the controversy rather than his violation of obscenity laws, as well, which will just further destroy their own case.

You can't say that you feel this is wrong.. can you? Its not illegal entrapment.. So that means you can't have an opinion saying otherwise??.. That's what I have done.. So don't be a hypocrite. I am not allowed to have an opinion that goes against the 1st, without being blasted .. so you can't either!

For starters, if someone tells you "that's stupid, shut the hell up" they aren't violating your first amendment rights. They're probably giving you solid advice, from what I can see. No, only a government body can deprive you of those rights through, say, arresting you for writing a bad book.

No, it's not wrong. But they're not going to have much of a case here.

I think that the 1st amendment can be tweaked to cover this exact situation. I am not talking about porn.. bomb making. how to kill the president.. I am specifically talking about a "how to" book on how to molest children.

Does it have to be a full book? What if I were to tell you that, one way to molest a child is to take a five year-old and have them bounce and wriggle in your lap while you fondle their behind? It's not much of a guide, but it is a how-to. So now my first amendment rights are void, and I deserve to be tortured to death, as well?

Here's something; I'm pretty sure that I didn't just enlighten you. I didn't tell you anything you didn't already know. Anyone can figure out how it works. In fact, Law and Order: SVU very likely gives much more detail on committing such an act than this book does. So, why does putting said common knowledge on paper suddenly make it criminal? It's already in your head - in fact, it's already in most peoples' heads - so what extra quality does publishing give it, that makes it worthy of torture and death?

Why can't we make this change? Do you think the founding fathers would have meant for the 1st to cover this? No way! Are we to stupid to make logical updates to these amendment?

Considering at least one of said founding fathers was raping 14 year old slaves? I wouldn't jump to any conclusions there. And it's not really a logical update. it's you saying "This offends my sensibilities, so we ought to amend the constitution!" Now imagine an America where anyone who had their personal code of ethics tweaked by someone else's words or writings, had a valid argument for altering the first amendment.

That's a scary damn version of America.

I understand where everyone is coming from on this I really do.. there are a few members that want to call names and show their ignorance.. All your doing is getting emotionally charged over something that you believe in... Similar but different of what I am doing..

Very different; i'm not calling for your torture and extrajudicial murder on the basis that I find what you've written to be strange and mildly offensive to my sensibilities.

I would like to see this man sent to prison for life.. Not for writing a book. As he sits.. he will be out soon.. I am hoping they recover evidence from his HD and that a victim comes forward and accuses this man of that he is teaching.

That doesn't mesh well with your statements hoping that he is tortured for your pleasure and dies in custody without a trial. And frankly... you're hoping a child was raped because that would make you feel happy and justified.

I see everyone agreeing that this is wrong.. But, your argument is 1st amendment.. So if the police found a way to legally get this guy.. INSIDE of the confines of the law... What is the problem?

Actually, my argument also encompasses the 4th amendment. If the police find evidence he actually hurt someone, sure, charge him and bring that evidence to trial.

This man is a scum bag.. After watching that video, I am convinced he has molested children.. Now before the armchair lawyers get up in arms.. That is MY OPINION!! I think this kid toucher is going to have a host of victims come forward, now that he is all over the news..

Well, if they do, at least they'll be believable - this Greaves dude isn't exactly a guy who can give a good payoff. So there's not likely to be a bunch of bottom-feeding fakers like Michael Jackson god.

A few folks are making a correlation between my wanting the guy dead, and him writing a book detailing molesting children "safely" without detection.... If this makes me a hypocrite then so be it!

The first step to recovery is admitting that you have a problem.

I hope they dig deep into this monsters PC and past transgressions and find him guilty of at least 30 to 40 years worth of nastiness! I can only assume in 40 years, the prisoners will find out about his hobbies and treat him to a really romantic stay in the pen.

Well, they have to have reasonable cause to issue a warrant. And again, here you are hoping that children have been raped so that you can feel justified. And adding a desire for Philip Greaves to be raped as well - before being tortured and murdered, I suppose.

I am making no apologies... Anyone that could sit down and write this book is a broken human.. they are not fixable! I really do hope this guys days are limited.

So there we have it. Head gaoler with a degree in internet psychology.

reply to post by XLR8R


Feel free to post the details of the trial where he was proven guilty.

reply to post by Resurrectio


Sorry man but as i said in the original thread about this book, we cannot start imprisoning people for writing something down unless it's a direct threat against a person or government.

You can go online right now and buy books about expolosives, lethal martial arts techniques, improvised weapons, poisons etc, so why is it that this particular book gets your goat? Yeah it's sick no question at all that it's disgusting but if you arrest this guy for it and he's convicted then other authors can be arrested for other things you don't seem to upset about.

this is how freedom of speech works, you will hear things that you really don't like and you have to put up with it for the right to voice your own opinion. I wonder, if i wrote a book about how to hunt down, capture and murder paedophiles would you be so against it? Even though i would be describing the exact method of a very bad crime i am willing to bet many people would be in support of that book.

This is the hypocisy surrounding this issue, people forget their views on freedom of speech when they see something they dislike, it's a convenient thing to do i suppose.

The guy is a scumbag, the books existence is horrible but it shouldn't be illegal.

Having slogged through this, I will weigh in. I am the father of 2 and would kill any pervert who touched my kids. If on a jury, I would not vote to convict any other parent who killed one of these pervs. That being said, we have the first amendment. I believe in the Constitution. I believe that what he writes is thoroughly repugnant and disgusting. However, if we use that for a basis of judgment, I believe the same about homosexual relations. So do we imprison and wish painful death on the author of a book about homosexuality? How about the author of a book on bestiality? another disgusting topic. I am sorry, but if all he has done is write a book, I believe that is covered by the first amendment. Why is this guy guilty of sending the book to someone who asked for it? Should not the recipient, living in the jurisdiction where the book is illegal, actually be the guilty party here?
Would I trust this guy around my kids? Not for one millisecond. Knowing that he wrote this book would I shoot him dead if he even smiled at my kids? Absofrigginloutely! But for writing a book, I cannot in good conscience punish him.

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
Having slogged through this, I will weigh in. I am the father of 2 and would kill any pervert who touched my kids. If on a jury, I would not vote to convict any other parent who killed one of these pervs.

Are you the author of any guides on how to get out of jury duty easy? 'Cause that seems like a good way to do it.

reply to post by Byteman


Does it say on the site that he is selling it from "Will not ship to Florida"??? Nope!!! Guilty.. Not entrapment!

reply to post by shuck


Technicalities?
He wrote a book and sold it.

How does that make him a criminal?
Did he admit to any crimes in the book?
Has he been convicted of anything?
Has the book proven to fail the Miller test?

Following the law is not disgraceful.

Now...
Assuming guilt before a trial...that's disgraceful.