Why do Americans need guns? Rip UP the Second Amendment, problem solved.

reply to post by ZombieWoof


What would you have done in their shoes?

If only that little old lady would have reacted differently and sqeezed 1 off... Who knows what would have happened.

She probably got robbed, raped and beaten by some ahole with an illegal firearm after she was stripped of her rights.

very sad

I think this about sums it up.
Although I'm sure you could add a few names and pictures to the list.

reply to post by kevinunknown


To protect us from people like you.

reply to post by kevinunknown


You need to keep your politics in the UK where they belong.
Now with that said:
Here's an overview:here
and yes that's a blog. So why in a free commerce country does the government intend to shut down commerce in the event of anything? That's right, Bush changed the COG to include stuff like Katrina because they are getting impatient. Here the updated plans. Here is another pamphlet.
It's funny you think you know America but how can you when you want America to be you? You can't. You, your friends and your ideology have nothing to do with the realities of American life. You have no clue, being a sheltered socialist, what it is to fight for your rights because you don't have any. Jealousy makes you wish we didn't either so you feel secure. How is that security now that your entire way of socialistic life is being changed by your government who are pulling out water cannons on your citizens who think they have the right to fight their government for education? I bet that guy in the wheel chair wishes he had a gun that day. No one would have dragged him out of his chair if he did.
The PTB want to make us as impotent as you are and we won't allow it. Face it, you love being an economic slave and you just want us to share your burden. It won't happen.

Originally posted by eNumbra

Originally posted by kiwifoot

Originally posted by Helious

It is my God given right ....... to own a gun. Period.

I've never quite understood that view. A God given right to own a gun??? Then you reap what you sow my friend. War, Hate, Murder, Death, Robbery, Crime and Sorrow are the rewards for such "rights".

It's a god given (naturally imbued by life, for atheists) right to defend ones self/life from harm. The gun, being an equalizer is the best way to do that.

Helious' statement is a simplification via what is essentially mathematical association, If A=B, B=C then A=C.

That is a very neat and concise way of explaining it, did I mention convenient too!

However it's so over simplified that it really doesn't do the topic justice. For instance, A is increased exponentially with and increase in C, the need for guns increases with the need to protect oneself, and the need to protect oneself increases with the need for guns.

I am absolutely sympathetic with the plight of law abiding gun owners in the US. But there really is something wrong with the 2nd Amendment paradigm.

I would never be so arrogant as to tell Americans what to do about the Gun issue, and in no way do I feel like I really know the issue not being American. All I can confidently say is a society where the public doesn't need or feel the need to own a gun, must be preferred to one where the citizen needs to own a weapon.

All the best my American friends, God bless you and your guns!

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
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China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

You still want to "rip up" the second amendment?

Comparing gun control laws to facist regimes is almost as insulting as telling another country's citizens that their laws are bunk.

Canada has gun control laws and we are not facist. Aren't really headed down that path either.


General comment:

The US has the right to set whatever laws their citizens feel is right. They currently abide by their constitution. I don't need any more information than that. I prefer life without guns, they prefer with...cest la vie.

reply to post by kevinunknown


americans need guns because when their government tries to kill them they will need some form of defence, quite simple actually.

reply to post by kevinunknown


Why the hell is it any business of yours?

Originally posted by Otamad
reply to post by kevinunknown

 

americans need guns because when their government tries to kill them they will need some form of defence, quite simple actually.

Part of it of course.. but there are more immediate needs for us to remain armed.

I have my own ideas about armed revolution.. and how difficult that in itself would be given we are all out gunned and they have all of the technology. We have numbers.. for now.

Some note worthy points;

answers.yahoo.com...

reply to post by thisguyrighthere


Nothing personal but that's pretty ironic coming from an American don't you think?

Originally posted by kevinunknownI got into this debate recently but it seemed a little bit of topic so I thought I would take a risk and write a thread myself asking the above question “why do Americans need guns?”

Why do foreign countries need to kill United States citizens?

If my fellow Americans are not able to defend themselves, some foreign invader, domestic anarchist, or foreign (or domestic) terrorist organization would attack. As long as we are able to protect our homes, families, and countrymen, all threats will think twice before considering an attack.

Once an invasion force from the UK, Asia, or Iran enter onto our soil, I would expect droves of United States citizens to pick up their arms (weaponry of choice) for defense.

God bless America!

reply to post by kiwifoot


Increasing guns leads to increased deaths. Yes. That's true, though it doesn't increase violence.. many gun-controlled countries are far more violent (Scotland usually has one of the worlds highest levels of violence for instance, and the UK as a whole some of the highest knife related attacks)...

Most of the deaths.. the vast majority of them, in the United States through guns is actually Criminal on Criminal crime. One gang shoots another.

We don't care.

The more they shoot themselves, the happier we are as a society.

Every once in a while, and it's incredibly rare given that we have 300m+ people and more guns than the entire world combined together.. some nutbag goes on a shooting rampage.

And every once in a while when a nutbag goes on a shooting rampage, another gun carrying civilian shoots that idiot and saves many lives.

Most gun crime in the US is through black market guns.. if we made guns illegal, guns would still end up in the streets... only us good guys, we wouldn't have any. It's like making drugs illegal... outlaw coke, meth, etc.. does it do anything? Hell no. Just makes it more expensive.

Why is it a God Given Right? Because no one, including the Government, should have more power over life and death than myself. If my Government wants to attack her people, they will have millions of armed, angry, us military trained vets, enthusiast, sportsmen, marksmen etc to deal with.

They wouldn't stand a chance.

Now the biggest counter argument is "The governments not out to get you" ... pick up a history book. They are out to get you. Eventually they will. Or try. Likely to happen in my life time? I doubt it.. but who knows, in my great grand children's time? Why should I, now, because I'm a coward, vote to reduce gun rights and sacrifice giving my descendants a fighting chance against a government, and invasion, or god forbid an armed attack by a criminal?

Think of it as ... an insurance policy. Most of us don't need our guns now.. we may not need them next year, or our entire life.. we may never be burglarized, kidnapped, shot at, hunted down as a political prisoner etc.. but just in case.. we are ready, always. You might be safe now, you might give up your guns now.. but when men break into your home, attack you, rape and murder your family, steal your possessions, assault you, shoot you, whatever.. you will certainly wish the moment you heard them breaking in you had a gun by your side. If not at the very least, go down fighting. They may be taking the masculinity out of our people, neutralizing us.. but a man still has the right to defend his property and family regardless of the cost. God have mercy on our souls if we ever put our lives undefended in the hands of American politicians..

Guns are for the WEAK AND COWARDLY. The half of you who support the use of guns because some injustice happened to someone, that is ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS.

The old woman should of had a gun to shoot the rapist with if he tried it? HOW ABOUT STOP THE FLIPPING RAPE HAPPENIN IN THE FIRST PLACE.

And you do that by havin a good education system, a good family upbringing and tuition to value life etc etc.

THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A QUICK SOLUTION TO FIXA PROBLEM, you always have to start with a lotta effort.

Guns are for bullies, and yo can see that with Israel> palestine. US>afghanistan/iraq. WORLD>Iran. Thats just the present era, the guy above mentioned hitler,stalin and all the other A'HOLES behind their weapons getting power hungry with weapons etc.

Look at the flipping stats and the amount of guncrime and death occuring in america, absolutley ridiculous. The use of Guns is a DEGENERATE way of thinking. A backward way of thinking. Once you start feeling guns are good you always end up falling deeper into the dirt and developing bigger weapons, etc nuclear warheads, hiroshima/nagasaki.

And you say, ok look at how the american society is, you need a gun in america to defend yourself. TAKE SOME TIME TO LOOK IN THE MIRROR AND REALISE YOU BROUGHT THIS ON YOURSELVES, and society has degenerated because of these LAWS for gun usage.

Compare deaths by guncrime in america and the population in comparison to other countries. You guys are so far up your asses with this american dream, that you fali to se how the Government is killing your country. Now the same counry is rapig the DOllar dry, The middle class is gettin detsroed, and the 1% of america rich own like 25% of the wealth in the country.

If you wanna make some use of your guns, then get together and overthrow the government! and get rid of these A'HOLES for leaders, and their RIDICULOUS LAWS. Damn i cant believe how messed up ppls minds are... the most indoctrinated people in a culture that anywhere on earth. Absolute insanity.

Originally posted by kevinunknown
reply to post by silo13

 

I don’t have a car

I don’t have a Swimming pool.

OR A GUN!!!!

Environmentalists are going to kill us all anyway.

also, you are a perfect example of why the right to freedom of speech should be heavily regulated, just because you have a right doesn’t make it righteous.

edit on 14-12-2010 by kevinunknown because: (no reason given)

This post made me stop taking this thread seriously and made me start laughing. You should be a stand up comedian. Or a tyrant. Either way. Kudos.

Man has a right to protect himself from enemies both at home and ashore its as simple as that.

I live in the UK where guns are strictly banned,i feel pretty powerless and vulnerable without a gun.

Somebody or a gang could easily kick my door down wielding knifes,kill my whole family and steal everything i have and we are expected to phone the police up and wait half an hour for them to arrive lol.

You could say that guns will cause crime but at the same time it gives people the power to prevent it

reply to post by nastyj



Then Im a weak cowardly degenerate, but this older 5 foot tall female doesnt stand a chance in protecting myself or my daughters against an armed criminal intent on robbery, murder, or worse. Im keeping my guns. Sorry.

Dude the whole point of the right to bare arms is so people in general can protect them selves and family rather it be from a wild animal, a burglar, or even the government. Nuff said!

reply to post by nastyj


I've never bullied anyone in my life.

Edit:

As a matter of fact I've used all of my martial knowledge to prevent bullying where I could. That's what forward thinking upstanding citizens do. Whether or not I carry a gun is irrelevant. Guns don't make up the character of the person.

I own several weapons.

Maybe you shouldn't be generalizing so much, no?