The Future for American Youth: AMERICANS READ THIS

reply to post by W3RLIED2


That's exactly what I am trying to do. It's just that we are going to have to talk about it.

I agree that you don't want to get mired down in the "all theory no action" camp, but at the same time you can't just have all action and no theory... If you do you'll just create an anarchist movement that can be co-opted by existing power structures. Look at Anon, they go do what they do and now see the political fall out they are being used for.

You should be careful not to end up becoming a tool if you want to be successful.

Originally posted by stuncrazy
reply to post by delicatessen

 

before i jump the gun on this one are you stating that media doesn't mold the global conscience?

i didnt give you enough info to conclude that about the whole of media. the OP associates today`s youth with MTV, not,say, Fox News, thus i spoke of MTV only. i have never seen anything on MTV that wasn't already prevalent among young people. humanity loves staring at train-wrecks as much as it loves to put on a dramatic and scandalous show. modern MTV and its equivalents realized that taking society`s already existing vices and putting them on TV would guaranty higher viewership and revenue. political stations are whole another issue. although Fox news and other channels love "Reality TV" as much as MTV and CO if not more.

reply to post by AdAbsurdum


that is why it is so important to know what cause you are fighting for. what is this all about? what do people really want?
i know what i want. i want a simple life. i don't need to be rich famous or powerful. i for one want a family, i want my children to be safe, i want them to be informed, educated and i want to help society.
THAT MY FRIENDS IS THE AMERICAN DREAM. not this materialistic modern society we live in. corporate america can shove it in my humble opinion. we need to regress to simpler times.

reply to post by stuncrazy


Agreed. That's why, as I stated earlier in the thread, I have been working on a new theory that everyone can get behind regardless of political or economical ideology. If you would like, I can send you a copy of my rough draft as well when I get it written up.

Originally posted by W3RLIED2

it`s an entertainment site. i think if you want action you probably should organize your own party or join existing ones that you closely identify with? that way you`d get more chance at getting things going.

reply to post by delicatessen


MTV corrupts the mind of the youth. while it may in fact just show "what's in". it also causes people to tread the line. to focus on all these material things. "you're not cool if you don't wear Gucci" so on and so forth. the media in ever facet, tells you how you should think. i'm all for the science channel, history channel and anything that has actual value, but the fact that more people talk about the last episode of lost and not about what's really going wrong in modern day society is an extremely big problem. i know it's hard for technology to tread that thin line between luxury and gluttony, but if we were really educated we wouldn't be wasting our times with the idiocracy that is jersey shores. we would scoff and be annoyed by such lifestyles as it is damaging to the population.

with that being said, action is necessary.

reply to post by AdAbsurdum


yea man i would really enjoy that!
2nd

reply to post by AdAbsurdum


Thats what this thread is for. If we organize, exchange contacts, get the ball rolling amongst people with the same ideas, then there are more possibilities than if we sit back and watch the world fall apart. I realize, after reading some very great replies that there are equally as constructive ways of having an impact. There are other resources that we could use as well to get the communication rolling.

Ultimately I think it would be quite a show of unity if we did roll into DC with a million man protest. Already i know and have said it before that i have to delusions about my OP. I understand the challenges that go along with an undertaking like this, but that does not make it impossible. I think a 1,000,000 person march, consisting of youths, and any one else who supports the actions proposed in my op, would be a catalyst for other protests around the country.

This was my initial plan and I am sticking by it... But we are a very few, we will need more leaders willing to take point and rally some fellows together that want to share a burden in this action.

reply to post by stuncrazy


Will do.

I'm dealing with the economical side of it now... that's the hard part.... If you know anyone with a macro-economics back ground it would be much appreciated if they could expand at what I'll have so far.

And then I will do a political portion modeled on the current American system, this is the part I think everyone will like the most but will be the subject of the most scrutiny.

I'll send those parts out as I finish them. Then the last part will be my Two Column Theory to revolutionary action. that's going to be the largest part, I imagine, because this is where I attempted to specialize.

Originally posted by stuncrazy

if there was no Lost on TV people would still find the way to chit chat about BS. i am sure 19th century ladies didnt gossip about newly discovered physics laws either. also positive they had their own versions of Gucci too.

reply to post by W3RLIED2


I dunno, 7 months to rally one million people? That's not going to be easy...

Here is what I recommend: You want to be leader, give me a time table. We need to know by when we need to have come to an agreement about purpose and than we can work on expanding the movement. We need to see a schedule, we need duties to be allocated, and we need a show of work being performed.

Chop chop, boss.

In addition, outlaw lobbying as it serves corporations not the people.

reply to post by Advantage

OP.. you have to know I like you and what you have to say.. here and in other threads. Not that it makes me any better, but Im much older than you and have seen the trends of things.. I have the benefit of living through history as you know it Its my true belief that people are not ready yet.. not just teh youth, but the older folks as well. They have not been pushed to the correct point yet....

Nice analysis and I agree with you. That is why I said at first that protests are pretty much useless.

After reading what you said. I am going back to what I have been doing. Trying to educate people and perhaps make changes on the local and state level.

I have to information threads
Federal Reserve
Control of the Food Supply

SKL has an information filled thread on Grope-N-Fly

This is not just the youth of America that will be screwed but all countries.

It will also be those children just starting school now and are in elementary school.

They are the ones who will start the rebellion.

Those who are born natives that have watched their country taken over by foreigners and their culture destroyed in the name of political correctness will battle for their country and culture back.

It will be a culture war.

Watch and see.

I read an article by a biologist.

He said NOWHERE in the world do sub-species live in harmony.

No animals,insects or plant life.

One species always dominates and eradicates the other.

Humans are basically animals,even if we are "intelligent".

No matter what the liberal elite want to believe the only way humans can live in harmony is if all races(sub species) return to where they are from and strive for equality there.

This "globalization" process will result in the destruction of all life.

reply to post by AdAbsurdum


Time frame 1. Call it Phase 1 if you want.

BY JANUARY 10th of 2011 we need a dedicated core of 20-40 people with the conviction to spread a mission statement face to face with other people. Until that point in time we will use the web to spread this information to as many people as we can.

Also, since you asked me for direction, and you seem to be the take charge, leadership type that we need:

With a deadline of January 9th, 2011, we will put forward a broad mission statement using my OP as the central base for reform.

For the latter, I am asking you as well as the other members that have already contacted me ( you know who you are) to help me in editing rough drafts, and in making this mission statement simple, convincing, and just.

By the time of our first deadline we will be able to determine weather or not we should cary on with the second phase. I will outline the second phase for you now.

Phase 2

Begining January 10th we will collectively launch a domain name and web sight to promote the action in DC. This websight will have a link to our mission statement, as well as a guestbook and a registrar for people to enroll on our mailing list/ line up. This will also serve as a head count.

Should we make it to this point and we decide to proceed further I will personally purchase the domain for a web sight and either build one myself, or hire someone to build it for us. Maybe by that time we will find someone who has some skill with HTML and java. Putting the web sight up should improve our hopes of reaching the goal of 1,000,000 people committed and involved with this action.

I am open to more suggestions. But I think this is a good outline to start with.

reply to post by Mez353


YES! In my OP i stated the we need to sever all connections between our Government and big corporations. Lobbyists are not there for the people, they are the corrupt grease that turns the gears of a corrupt system, and they must be done away with.

reply to post by stuncrazy

that is why it is so important to know what cause you are fighting for. what is this all about? what do people really want? i know what i want. i want a simple life. i don't need to be rich famous or powerful. i for one want a family, i want my children to be safe, i want them to be informed, educated and i want to help society. THAT MY FRIENDS IS THE AMERICAN DREAM. not this materialistic modern society we live in. corporate america can shove it in my humble opinion. we need to regress to simpler times.

I REALLY suggest everyone here read Nicole Johnson Article It explains how the American Dream got smashed. It also show us what we are up against. It is 10 pages, 4 pages are references.

If you read nothing else read that article.

...In its 1945 report "Agriculture in an Expanding Economy," CED [Committee for Economic Development] complained that "the excess of human resources engaged in agriculture is probably the most important single factor in the "farm problem'" and describes how agricultural production can be better organized to fit to business needs....

...To solve that problem, CED offers a program with three main prongs

Some of the report's authors would go on to work in government to implement CED's policy recommendations. Over the next five years, the political and economic establishment ensured the reduction of "excess human resources engaged in agriculture" by two million....

Their plan was so effective and so faithfully executed by its operatives in the US government that by 1974 the CED couldn't help but congratulate itself

The human cost of CED's plans were exacting and enormous.

CED's plans resulted in widespread social upheaval throughout rural America, ripping apart the fabric of its society destroying its local economies. They also resulted in a massive migration to larger cities. The loss of a farm also means the loss of identity, and many farmers' lives ended in suicide [6], not unlike farmers in India today who have been tricked into debt and desperation and can see no other way out....

As I said her Article is a must read because she shows what was done and how.

reply to post by W3RLIED2


Excellent. Sounds good to me.

I'm working the how out right now. Everything you have proposed in the OP is along the lines of what I have been thinking up I'm just ironing out some more details.

I hope to finish this by Monday. At that point, I will post a thread, link yours to it from mine, and U2U everyone else who's involved so far. Sound good?

reply to post by Oneolddude

He said NOWHERE in the world do sub-species live in harmony.

Nations can not survive "diversity" either according to Eight Steps To Destroy America

History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual.

"The historical scholar Seymour Lipset put it this way: 'The histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy....

Alright guys I and w3rlie are calling for a true commitment here. I say we stop the analysis and our opinions and we get straight down to the facts from now on. We are all sick and tired of our government, and we are disappointed in our fellow americans, and even more substantial than both of these combined, we are all so damn pissed that nothing is being done, no matter how much information we consume and comprehend. none of us , not even ourselves, are really doing shint. no more cynicism or skepticism or pessimism. if you want to do something, then offer your help and your knowledge. otherwise if you just want to tell everyone their efforts are going to be wasted, well truth be told, we already know. but we base our actions not off of what we know, but off of what we hope. we hope that our actions won't be wasted, and that people such as yourselves who reject the possibility before the experiment even begins continue to ruin this world with your negativity.

Speaking for myself because that is the only right I have, I'm definitely not as well versed as most of you are in the mechanism and products of our government. I won't get into every other aspect of the modern world that is of major concern that I am sure you are all equivalent to Master's degree holders if not more in terms of the amount of knowledge you all have collectively, but we are not talking about monsanto or george soros or the media or the UN....none of it. We are talking about our country the USA, and specifically, we are talking about a peoples revolution and the succession of humanity. Not just any people, no, NOT AT ALL. This is the American Peoples' revolution, and just like me, you are one of those rare people that are a part of this country, and who has an important role to play in this revolution. This is our responsibility. Our government is a god damn accident resultant of ignorance and neglect, and it is OUR responsibility, not our parents, not our lawyers, not our local government, not our judiciary, NOBODY but Yours and Mine's responsibility to fix that catastrophic mistake and turn it into our advantage, into an opportunity, into real progress.

Please. This is a beggar speaking now. I'm sick of feeling alone in this struggle. I hate that we have to live like this. I F@#$ING HATE IT. how the hell can any of us actually be waking up each morning knowing all the sick and vile things that is the definition of our government? Does it not hurt you to know you live in a false reality? beyond right and wrong, isn't it just appalling, degrading, defiling, and homicidal to the very meaning of your existence?

WE ARE ALL LIARS BECAUSE WE CHOOSE TO ACCEPT THIS MIRAGE EACH WAKING MORNING.

we are all frauds. we are all deceivers because we do nothing when confronted with the devil, so to speak. How can you see the devil, a true evil and terrible demon, and not do a damn thing about it? How do you let him rape you mother and immasculate your father and murder millions every single day???

I don't mean to spark a religious debate at all-I'm the least bit religious, but there is just no other way of describing our government and this world in a general symbolic sense as accurately as using the anti-thesis of all that is good, that which is the direct opposite of it. We live in Hell, and that is no exaggeration. We can't trust anything! Wikileaks, a novel approach to reality, an approach that is principled off of the need for truth and transparency, YET, none of us are completely convinced that WL truly is legitimate and works for the benefit of humanity, for whatever reason you feel reasonable and which keeps afloat your sinking boat. Probably the greatest thing to ever happen to the humanity, the absolute truth being revealed, is almost too good to be true, and with all the lies we have had to live with and have grown accustom to, all the deceit and all the manipulation, this one great thing has become possibly just a scourge in itself. Its potential greatness is its own personal poison. And half of the world actually believes that WL is a bad thing! Can you believe that people actually accept that lies and secrets and deception is NECESSARY in international relations? How screwed up does one have to be to be able to justify and actually come to the defense of that which is the root cause of all the problems in this world?

If there were no lies, there would only be truth! can nobody else understand how significant that is? can you really sit in your seat and argue anymore? we need truth. we need justice. we need righteousness. we need it. its not something so trivial as a desire. the fact is that this world cannot sustain itself if lies continue to determine the direction of humanity.

The universe, no matter if you believe in creationism or science, was not designed or born out of lies. In fact, when we refer to the universal principles that govern the universe itself, we refer to those principles as universal TRUTHS. Its nothing else but fact and reality. there is no deception involved. If you ever feel decieved by the universe, it is only because you never took the time out of your own self to ask and ponder about the universe and the meaning of everything. otherwise if you had, nothing in this entire universe would be anymore clearer than the meaning of your own life. I SWEAR ON MY SOUL. if you took the time to ask yourself and the the stars above you what your life meant, and what this universe meant, and why it mattered at all, you would ranting just like I am now. Im not going to go and tell you what the meaning of your life is, because that would be rash and it would be arrogant. I only know what my life means now, and that is to use it for the progression and success of the natural earth alongside the growth and succession of humanity. That is me. what about you? So maybe we will all die from an asteroid...so be it! but i will not allow, while i still have my body and mind, to have humanity destroy itself and everything else in this world. I cannot allow it. And unless I die before i can change that, than there is nothing in this universe other than that cursed asteroid or our pathetic God that will stop me from doing just that. That is the meaning of my life, and that is my absolute conviction. I believe more in this motivation, this hope, more than i do in any God or even in gravity. Nothing is more real and more important than for truth and justice to be the reigning scientific and spiritual principles that guide all of every humans' thoughts and actions.

I won't allow the people who run our lives to run it into the ground. I can't. I just cannot. I cannot see my mother suffering. I cannot see my father crying. i cannot see my brother dead. I cannot see my dogs starving. I cannot see the people of this country caught in the midst of chaos and in pitiful agony because of it, because I cannot allow it, and I do not expect, while I am alive, for this to happen. There is just no way in hell that this will happen while I am alive. There can be no other way. If i am alone in this, then yes, it will happen. But I know that i wont be, and that is why i continue to write. i know that i am not alone, i know the the you and the rest of the citizens of the USA, and soon enough the world, will not allow our world to fall apart before our eyes because of our own idleness. i dont believe this world can fall apart in a storm of sorrow, because i believe wholeheartedly that there are more people like me out there who will not let it happen. It just cannot happen.

There is no way in hell that you should allow this to happen, otherwise you are just as disgusting as the ones that you blame. You might as well have never lived. nobody needs your criticism, or your opinion, or your analysis, or your complaint. what everyone NEEDS is your help. we people, homo sapiens, a species of this earth, need help, but there is no one to answer that call, not even our God. I will do whatever it takes, i will help in any way I can, and i will see this world evolve into a heaven on earth. There is no other way.

come on America. It all starts with us. when are we going to stop crying?? when will we act? lets grow up a little, yeah? lets become what no one else can be. let us become the liberators. let us free this country of the tyrannical rule of deception. stop being afraid. you will die. you will lose everything. one way or another, if you base your conclusion on life off of all the conspiracies you read here on ATS and elsewhere, you are fated to die in the most horrid inhumane ways possible. people want to starve you . people want to make you a human pathogen. people want you to kill your neighbor. they want you to lose your ability to reproduce. they want to steal everything from you, and until they do it, you will never die. you will suffer through an eterniity of the worst things you can imagine before you can find any respite in death. you are going to die miserably.

what then do you have to live for? what the hell is the purpose of your life, really? you are going to die by fighting for yourself and for your family, friends, and neighbors. you are also going to dies sitting on your couch or your desk and writing about how everything sucks and the world is going to end.

earn your death.
earn your death.
you want justice in this country? then go out and earn it.

from now on, this thread is for serious discussion for organizing a lasting, efficient, and effective movement. if you have valuable info, drop it here. if you have dedication, tell us now and ask what you can do. if you are just going to criticize all i just ranted about, keep it in your mind, or PM me and cuss me out if i was that idiotic. i dont care. i only care that this all doesn't end with failure and this thread ends up being dismissed like so many others like it because everyone lost their concern after reading the newer topics about possible disclosure and strange animals being found in the middle of forests.

to the OP, I am with you all the way to hell man. been there, done that, and ill go there again if i have to. but we cannot let this moment pass us by. 2011 is our last chance. Im not going to let 2011 be known as the the year that humanity failed itself and the world. every year for the past 30+ years we've progressively degraded. enough is enough people. take control of this country and this world for once. don't leave it in the hands of others.

WAKE UP AND GET UP.

stop lying in bed and daydreaming. lets do something this time, for once people. everything depends on what we do from this day forward. EVERYTHING. shout at your neighbors the truth about the FED. announce in your workplace the truth about government sponsored terrorism. hand out fliers that state every illegal action the goverment has performed in 2010 alone. we must supply the truth, because no one wants to search for it. we have to take on the responsibility because nobody else will. please guys, don't accept defeat, and don't trick yourselves into believing that one day things will be better. things will only get exponentially worse until we stop it. it has been that way since the beginning of time. what makes you think this would suddenly change? billions before you thought the same things in their age. They probably cried in their sleep as they prayed for things to get better, and they probably died at the sword thinking that the future generations would learn from their death and the context that surrounded it, just like we pray that future generations learn from out own mistakes, and that we would not die in vain.

Information and Organization, Truth and Justice. Knowledge and Action. That is all we need from now on. Ill let the OP decide if that is what this thread is about or not.