The Future for American Youth: AMERICANS READ THIS

reply to post by theendisnear69

I'm 19, and honestly I think it would be impossible to get the youth organized.

Remember, the American Revolution was fought by a fairly small number of people. They won because of superior strategy and distance from the power center of England. Those are two key points.

Think a lot bigger. Why are you limiting your self to Youth. US Old fogies, if we are retired and even those like me who are not, have time and experience. That is why the Tea Party was mostly Old Foggies.

Remember who your enemy really is. It is not the old folks, the right wing or the left wing but the Elite who sit back and pull the strings making all of us dance.

This is why it is SO IMPORTANT to pick neutral topics and EDUCATE. The elite pit left wing against right wing to keep us busy. Circuses if you will.

Again look at the Tea Party. I do not know if it was a true grass roots movement or a very smart elite move, but the end result was the same. The restless in the population were labeled to give the apathetic in the population a distaste. They were labeled as a means of keep the right and left at each others throats instead of uniting against their true enemy. Then the strays were herded back into the fold as "Republicans" GAG

reply to post by crimvelvet


I agree, we need the help of anyone, no matter their age or demographic.

The problem is, I think the elite would just turn the rest of the population against any movement that wishes to make changes to this corrupt government. I honestly don't believe the elite had nearly as much control over the populace during the revolution against the English government.

They will crush any opposition in their way. I still think it's worth a shot though. We have to do something, anything.

reply to post by W3RLIED2

...This protest must be more radical than other attempts. We have to be willing to lay our convictions out on the table of the public forum with out worry of the repercussions. This is the only way. With our bodies and with our voices....

If you are going to do this, may I also suggest you hit the state capitals and perhaps the local town halls too? Perhaps our friends overseas could sent faxes or e-mails on the same day?

Don't forget the already existing "resistance" groups that are already VERY ticked off. No NAIS has a long list on the right hand side under featured blogs. (click down three times)

There is no need to organize from scratch. Coordinate with the already formed groups as well as organizing new recruits. And again stick to neutral topics EVERYONE supports like tearing down the FED and kicking the K-street lobbyists out of DC.

Your primary goal is to show TPTB we are fed up, we KNOW who our enemy is and we WILL not let them divide us anymore. OH and scaring the feces out of the politicians

Just be careful you research the groups so you know if they are Corporate shills or not.

reply to post by theendisnear69


The worries you have is the adversity that i am talking about. It's guaranteed that they are going to slander any politically motivated action that protests the agenda. They want us to lay down and let the steam roller blow right on through the country in several broad sweeping motions. Well I am here to say THAT CAN'T HAPPEN.

If an action takes place, there will be more than 1 million who are aware of the class struggles in America. If send the right message the whole world will get the picture. Kids in Europe are doing this now, the people of the united states who are being affected by an almost identical situation have to do the same.

It's ok to be afraid. That means you're still human. The best way to make a difference is to stare fear right in the face and not back down. It took me several months just to muster up the balls to post such a blatant plan and desire to take a course of action against the government. In light of recent events around the globe i felt the best time is now, before it's too late.

Remember that you're not facing your fears alone. If all of my hopes come to fruition there will be about 999,999
more scared americans standing right next to you, and behind you as we take this course of action. WE MUST STAND TOGETHER, AS ONE UNITED VOICE. No parties, no bipartisanship, only the demands of average americans in desperate need of someone to be on their side. If something isn't done now, it's going to be too late.

you should check out a organization called GYC (General Youth Conference) while before hand i will let you know this is a christian based organization, but everything you stated is the exact stand that this organization takes.

it has charged the youth of the USA with the mission of change. basically stating everything that you have said. IT IS IN FACT OUR JOB AS THE YOUTH TO REVOLT AGAINST THE SYSTEM. TPTB cannot stop us unified. i say you find a way to contact these people, or better yet i'll see what i can do when i go to this years conference i can see if i can talk to somebody about this kind of stuff. don't know we'll see.

awesome thread S&F keep stuff like this coming... time to wake up sleepy heads

reply to post by crimvelvet


I love it, my friend. That is exactly what we have to accomplish. Scaring the bajeezus out of some politicians will be a nice feeling, seeing as how they scare me every time they vote in the house and senate, and every time they decide to send more American men and women over seas to fight in bogus wars, bent on money and religion. We'll scare them. If a strong group of unified people take a stand, there is nothing we can't accomplish. As a unified force we have the potential to display an equally great, however different display of American power, the power of the people.

reply to post by W3RLIED2


I don't care what religion they choose. I care that there are more american kids out there who want to see some real, effective changes. Positive changes that aren't going to get washed up in bureaucracy and party politics.

I will take the time and contact them, thanks for the heads up!

OP.. you have to know I like you and what you have to say.. here and in other threads. Not that it makes me any better, but Im much older than you and have seen the trends of things.. I have the benefit of living through history as you know it Its my true belief that people are not ready yet.. not just teh youth, but the older folks as well. They have not been pushed to the correct point yet. I dont want you to become so frustrated that you go the way of the Tea Party.. they jumped the gun, werent patient, didnt wait for the correct opportunity and are not infiltrated, compromised, and have lost the ONE chance for any edge they may have really had. There have been many "tea parties" and revolutions and marches and real protests with poeple putting their money where their mouths were... the one flaw in each of these things has always boiled down to timing. Eventhe anon thing this week.. BAD timing.. they also didnt wait for the correct moment and are now being used, are compromised, and now useless for the game.

I preached and hollered about violent revolution.. years worth of it..LOL! Even on Prison planet I was of that mind set.. then a few yrs ago I saw the common denominator that crushed the opposition to the status quo each and every time.. and again.. it was just a matter of bad timing. You need numbers.. and you cant get real numbers until our citizens reach the boiling point. They arent there by any stretch... apparently it is going to take a hell of a lot more than the injustices we are already experiencing by the bushel full lately. My suggestion is to wait a bit.. organize.. look at all aspects and variables.. but beyond everything just wait for the right time. It will be unmistakable when it presents itself. In the end it will not be a matter of claiming youre a revlutionary with nothing to lose. You will have plenty to lose.. but in numbers the gain will be worth any loss. The point is to be patient and wait for the opportunity so any losses arent in vain.

With me.. my husband has been working within the DOD for over 20 years.. I speak my mind as does he. So do the men and women he works with.. they arent fooled. How could we possibly be fooled.. we've been working within the govt and living it longer than some of you have been on the earth. You have allies in these endeavors in many places. None of us have ever been on a list so bad that we've been suicided or accidented yet.. and I for one have said some pretty rotten and sometimes seditious things. People are scared of these stupid and widely non-existent lists and the big bad govt busting in their door. This ATS pace seems to breed that paranoia unfortunately. You have to understand that many are simply waiting for a mass awakening and the correct timing... and developing ulcers waiting. The govt is patient. Napolitano was patient when she released who would be on her famous lists.. it was a controlled release of these things to strike fear into poeple and make them reluctant to speak out for fear of being on the bad santa list. Its just simply not a valid concern for this endeavor. Right now everyone from the folks here to military veterans to pro life people are on her "lists". There was a huge hubub at the base when she claimed that ex miliraty and vets were on the watchlists as possible problem populations. People were not happy, but they didnt allow that BS to put a cork in their minds or mouths.

My opinion of our youth is kind of schizophrenic I guess.. it conflicts with itself. I see that these kids are more savvy and understand more than we older folks give them credit for. Theyve all but raised themselves as my generation in the majority has destroyed the sense of "family unity". They are apathetic and into instant gratification.. but even with my oldest daughters friends.. I see a real keen perception of the truth of things. It isnt like the 60's youth where it was mostly BS against the MAN.. this is a real sight into the wrongness of the state of things =even with the revised history the schools are teaching. They seem to sense that something is wrong. Ive spoken to these kids many times and they distrust Obama in the majority. They distrust the police and anyone in authority even on our city level. Its pretty interesting really. It isnt an anarchist kind of thing.. they really have reasons for the distrust. The kids dont like Assange much, they see him for what he is I think... we older ones are clouded sometimes. It points to the idea that this next generation has some surprises for us and will be well equipped to handle anything we start now.

"we" just cyber attacked Irans nuke junk.. it was more serious than they let on at the start. The people who are doing these things arent kids. They also arent scripting or any of that stuff thats being batted around now since anon was outted as the new bad guy by the media.. they are the real hackers. These people work for your govt. These govt operatives are also pretty perceptive concerning things and the true state of things. Revolution in the modern era will be like nothing the world has ever seen before. It will be much much more than marches and loose groups or groups that decide to jump the gun. It would be prudent to really look into things in areas and with people you may at first assume are not on "your" side. In reality, they may not be on your side on the whole, but are definitely on the side of resurrecting the dead republic. In this case.. the enemy of your enemy is your friend. Manning was never a part of any awakened group or anything. He was used and a stupid foolish child who played into the hands of a person he should not have trusted. He jumped the gun.

SOmetimes what may appear like apathy on the part of some is in reality a very uneasy patience.

Make no mistake.. if anything you organize and publicize gets large.. you will be infiltrated. Not like people claim here. as if there are paid govt spooks n every thread and anyone who has a differnet opinion is an operative. True infiltration is what Im speaking about... people will join up and try to sabotage you or make you or your org look foolish.By design or just because people can be real morons. It was glossed over with the Tea Party.. but there they were.. a bunch of morons getting on the cameras. Of course the media ate it up... and the govt didnt need to lift much of a pinkie to cause damage. They may not even be associated with any government.. but they will come out of the woodwork to sabotage you. We even went through this when we organized a crime stoppers flavor of group and website on our dime. People.. just average joes.. are freaking weird and do things that make it difficult. It really is the truth that the govt is a true CF.. they cant organize much of anything.. and dont have the funds to even bring our troops home if someone decided to say screw it we're done. They dont have the eyes or the money to infiltrate every group.. or the manpower at this point. A point in your favor

Thats all I have to share.. the rest of it all.. I have no clue about or not enough of a clue to feel comfortable even addressing it! I dont even really know if any of this will make a dent in what the world wants now.. and what they have the power to do if they were motivated.. or if our govt in particular was motivated. Time will definitely tell.

reply to post by theendisnear69

I honestly don't believe the elite had nearly as much control over the populace during the revolution against the English government.

I agree. As you might have noticed I have been researching this for a while and the amount of control mechanisms they have put in place is truly mind boggling! That is why we have to THINK not just act.

I have had the feeling, that since the Patriot Act, and the 2008 Valentine's Day Agreement the elite has been just itching to stampede the US citizens into armed revolt so they can slam the big foot in our face and take over once and for all and be done with it.

I suggest you read www.fff.org...

Even though Hitler had badly lost the presidential election, he was drawing ever-larger crowds during the congressional election....

Hitler and his fellow members of the National Socialist (Nazi) Party, who were determined to bring down the republic and establish dictatorial rule in Germany, did everything they could to create chaos in the streets, including initiating political violence and murder. The situation got so bad that martial law was proclaimed in Berlin....

Two weeks after the Reichstag fire, Hitler requested the Reichstag to temporarily delegate its powers to him so that he could adequately deal with the crisis. Denouncing opponents to his request, Hitler shouted, “Germany will be free, but not through you!” When the vote was taken, the result was 441 for and 84 against, giving Hitler the two-thirds majority he needed to suspend the German constitution. On March 23, 1933, what has gone down in German history as the “Enabling Act” made Hitler dictator of Germany, freed of all legislative and constitutional constraints.

Advantage, I've read and re-read your response through several times now, and I have to say it has really struck a chord within me. I know, and completely agree that there are people with in the government who would probably align themselves with people like me as far as my views expressed here are concerned. I have even been privileged enough to share in some amazing conversations with a few people who have actually rubbed shoulders with these people within our government, and surprisingly enough within our very own DoN(avy) and DoD who have expressed similar sentiments!

I also have no delusions of what I'm squaring up with. It took me a long time to muster the courage to post this, not because i was worried about being put on some government list, and not because I am worried about spooks crawling all over ATS, but because someone has to do it. If no one else wants to put themselves on the table, then I choose to be the first. And I'm not even the first, theres been a countless number who have tried this and failed, as you have stated. Do I think i will succeed where they failed? Maybe.... Do I think we can achieve things that they were not able to achieve.... again thats a maybe. The realist in me keeps these dreams from consuming me and also keeps me well grounded.

On the flip side of that coin (more like a multi faceted gem of some complexity... any way) Is the knowledge that the generation behind me has no leader. Can I be that leader? I believe so, but time will ultimately tell the tale. Right now I'm just another regular guy typing away on the internet. But that is far from what I intend to be with the duration of my life. Right now the internet is the easiest way for me to get my voice out there. Hopefully it inspires some other people to do something positive for our society and the futures of the millions of young Americans who as of this moment have a rather bleak looking next 50 years.

In regards to infiltration of any planned action on my part I am well aware of this. For this reason I am so adamant about standing our ground in the face of adversity, but once again I have no delusions of grander, I honestly wish to have a beneficial impact on society. I'm not striving for violent protest out of knee jerk reaction. I endorse violent protest because it is an essential part of humanity. Peaceful protest makes little sense to me, especially in terms of justifiable actions... Actions that our country were founded on, and actions that I am protected by under the Constitution... even though that is not much more than a piece of hemp these days. Regardless of the Constitution these are beliefs that any man of any faith can agree to as freeborn citizens of earth.

I still stand by my OP. An organized push down Pennsylvania Ave with 1 million people would surely make an impression. But after taking your response to heart, I'm beginning to think along other.... possibly more constructive lines. Thank you for that.

reply to post by W3RLIED2


there is only one way and one way alone to insure that you can't be smeared against. place your mission statement in blatantly public and open forum. Your mission statement must be very clearly stated and carefully worded to inform the public that you call for reform, but in no way condone violence, discrimination, or prejudice. what we are looking for is a system of the people for the people, a system of servents and not the contrary. systems in which politicians get paid the salary of that of a teacher, so that being a politician is truly an honorable position and not a position of gain. Although in my personal humble opinion this fight is far deeper than what can be seen on the surface (i'll just leave it at that as i don't believe in shoving my beliefs down anybodies throat). although i will promote to anyone that is interested to go check out General Youth Conference(GYC) and if you have any questions feel free to message me in private, as to not flood this thread.

there is a very large belief under certain secs. that share the exact same sentiments as the OP. That we are in fact the last generation, and that is our duty to invoke change or suffer the consequences of our lack of action. i truly believe this to be a world-wide sentiment, at least to those who are not completely absorbed in to the cultural conscience of "do what thou wilt" or consumerism for lack of a better term. it has been my experience in my short lived life, with friends and acquaintances alike, people know that there is something horribly horribly wrong going on in this world. we have the means and we have the man power. i truly believe this time is a time of action, but actions that should be carefully calculated, so as can not be used to black ball the movement.

we know certain natures of the beast, so we can use this to our advantage. we know the rules they play by and we know the ways in which they trick the masses. this very good information to have, as knowing this we can act in a preventive matter. as i've heard here a teaspoon of prevention is worth more than a pound of cure (or something like that) this is a movement of individualistic action with the Greater good in mind. so in saying, it takes independent action, but at it's core are family values, because that's all it boils down to. what is good for the family is good for society.

i know i had more to say, but i lost my train of thought so i may post more i may not.

Hey there OP.

I've read your thread so far and I agree that we can make a difference with a simple caveat:

It's not a leader that we need, it is leadership.

The America today is fractured beyond red and blue. You have Anarchists, Socialists, Libertarians, Rayndians, and all the in-betweens. For the past 7 years I've been working on a unifying theory that everyone can get behind that will create change and leave room for everyone's particular differences. Over the weekend I will be writing up a rough draft of my theory and putting it up for critique. If you are interested I will send you a copy as well.

Once the theory side of the house is taken care of i propose that we need a political base. Someone that can speak clearly, court the media, be the face is the most likely candidate to perform this duty. You just may be that person... I have access to people who have organized student groups and student protests and they have assured me that when I have completed the theory portion they will look into mass organization and what steps we need to take to accomplish the creation of a movement.

While I like the idea of your march, you are no John Stewart and so I doubt this will grab a hold as hard as it could if you are patient and we work together to build a power house ideology and then court the surrounding ideologues in hopes of weakening their positions to create our base.

Following that I have a Two Column theory that I will pitch to you if you are interested to see how a revolution could and would be successful while still bringing aboard the pacifists and the violent revolutionaries while fending off the MSM's coming demonization of our movement.

Let me know what you think.

reply to post by stuncrazy


Earlier this morning I sent an E-mail to the GYC via their contact page. Should I receive a response I will post it for all to view.

So far this discussion has been beyond what I expected it to be. It's re-assuring that not every one on the message board is a total troll. There are still some interested in serious topical conversation!

Thank you to the members who have contributed to the quality of this thread.

reply to post by W3RLIED2


amen to that brother. i personally am a little surprised in the lack of conversation this thread has achieved. mainly because this is a thread speaking of action, and not speculation like oh idk... the thread over analyzing wikileaks wallpapers... i mean come on. this forum is the perfect place to organize effective action, but rather people would just speculate.
if there is nothing more telling about the times we are living in it is that people need to take action and not sit around and talk about changes they "wish" would happen.

reply to post by stuncrazy


Yes that was my intention, was to really spur the people that talk the talk into walking the walk. I think everyone should watch this recent youtube drop. It's extremely important.


I hope more people do become active in this thread. We really need more member support to get this going viral. I've copied and E-mailed my original document along with a link to the contacts I have, but where they go from there I am not sure.

Don't lose hope though, it's still early, and this thread is still less than a day old.

I didn't see anyone else mention this,(If so bad girl) But if you want to get this info out to all of America, why don't you set up a Web site? During the BP fiasco, a couple ATSers started up a site called "Test the Rain". As far as Im aware its a very good site and gets alot of hits from all over the world.
I'm sure some here at ATS would be the first to join your cause, and maybe someone here would even offer to help you get it up. Personally I know nothing about computers except to sit in front of one and push buttons.

Good Luck to you. I will be watching this thread for further updates regarding your progress.

reply to post by crappiekat


^^ that's a great idea. and if you can get to a thread here in ATS to promote it or discuss it you can almost guarantee that it's gonna be on top page in google seeing as threads here are usually in pg 1 of search.

Originally posted by W3RLIED2

if i understand you correctly technology, MTV, materialism and seeking of status among their peers will be the downfall of people under the age 18. technology has been evolving through the ages and humanity got only smarter as a result as far as i am concerned. how about TCP/IP, commonly known as Da Innernet? didnt it give you more freedom to voice your opinion and less dependence on infamous MSM scorned by many here on ATS? i can imagine people grumpy about how contemporary youths back when Industrial Revolution kicked in used machines, machines no less, instead of weaving cloth manually- disaster waiting to happen. how did that turn out? besides it`s silly to assert materialism and peer pressure are modern inventions. and what`s modern MTV? just a mirror of youth`s interests. they`d be like that with or without MTV- the channel gives them what they want and reflect their behavior to catch their attention- simple business.

reply to post by delicatessen


before i jump the gun on this one are you stating that media doesn't mold the global conscience?

reply to post by delicatessen


Materialism is a downfall of the human psyche. Apathy is not, that can be changed if people just WAKE UP.

If you read through the posts above you on this page you'll find that I am proud to use the internet as a public forum. More people can see my ideas and choose to agree/disagree ect. That's all well and good. But I am talking about taking action. Instead of talking the talk all damn day, I'm trying to get things in motion outside of web land and out into the streets where i feel It would be more constructive in having a positive impact on reform. Call me crazy but i get tired of talking after a while. If everyone wants it so bad than why not help me organize this thing. Thats what I am trying to express to you all.