Is this a real alien picture? And what about this Roswell EBE footage?

Well , its definitely a fake photo. If you look closely you can see the two dudes holding a bar or rail of sort. I'm assuming they are carrying a casket at a funeral and the woman in the black's expression is that way because that is her husband that she is staring at. Inside a casket.

Somebody on page 1 mentioned the star child skull... what else about that? i remember they made some claims on that show but that is TV... then it was on another program and appeared to be damaged, or maybe it was a different skull/recreation of skull...whatever it is.

I had a thought, that some stuff we see might be recreations of perhaps similar events in an attempt to propose the idea, yet not actually expose any real evidence that some are refusing to release.

In any case, I like the last one where the guy is pointing with the stick.
It certainly adds a professional quality, does it not?

"and here we have the alien, and here we have the alien, and here we also have the alien and over here we have the alien as well"

The first photo is showing something else, it is probably real and a malnourished child, how knows it could be a hybrid but that is a person, and that photo is very sad.

My instinct on that video is its the real deal.

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How many caskets are 2 feet wide? Nice try tho. Maybe its her infant son and thats why the casket is so small. That is a whole lotta scrubbin and drawin to fill in the missing casket and add in the womans dress and an alien. Shaven monkey is more probable than that. Geez

Originally posted by Cyberspy
I'd say they are all fakes. Can't prove it just yet. But then you can't prove that they are real either.

edit on 19-11-2010 by Cyberspy because: (no reason given)

"I would say" ...and the rest of the sentence, unsaid is, "if I were thinking at all, which I have decided NOT to do."

This is a typical skeptical response and should not discourage people who have a genuine interest in the UFO/Alien topic.
Thinking outside the box is not a skill most people have. They are happy to go with the prevailing opinion - whatever that may be..in this field it happens to be something along the lines of... "they are fakes."
This is the easiest thing to believe. It requires little original thought, no further study or consideration.
You can bet other "non-thinkers" will come along and mimic the sentiment, or add stars, or just go along word for word - it is so simple to do. "Yeah...what he said."
This is the path of least resistance. There will be many lumps of flesh in clothes here floating idly along with the current thinking - because they cannot think (or swim) for themselves.
Soon someone will come along and give you a more definitive answer...on some of these, I am curious myself.

The first picture looks like it might be the "Gummy Puppen" from WWII. It was a small rubber dummy dropped from aircraft as a decoy assault force to confuse the Germans during the early hours of the Allied Invasion.

I don't know if the video is authentic in the video, but that being on the stretcher sure looked like the alien from the autopsy video. It would appear that the scenes in it is what you might expect to see in the "real" event. Running, bumping, pushing......... confusion.

Nothing even remotely convincing or close to passable evidence in a court of law, I'd bet my last peny they are all hoaxes. In fact I've actually seen 2 of these with different "background stories".. shows you how these sad hoaxes get recycled around. And the fact that so many people in this thread are willing to say its real with no evidence just goes to show you why this field of study is a laughing stock.

No scientific method, no indepth investigations of who made the video/when/where/etc, no lab reports by reputable scientists, etc just another random picture or video on youtube and so many people are willing to just "believe" from just that, even knowing theres been countless proven hoaxes and zero scientifically proven videos/pictures. Sigh, o well, ya'll will never learn, if it helps you feel better about your life to "believe" in stuff based on so little then whatever carry on. I'm just a "disinfo agent" or a "debunker". /yawn

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In response to ealier posts which are saying that the photo has been faked.

I saw the photo of the small figure between two men in trench coats in a book about Rosewell back in the 1970's. I dont think the photoshop was avilable then. Cant remember the name of the book sorry but I do recall the text in the book disussing the photo saying that it had been published before that time. Sorry I can prove this with links.

cheers

I think that Roswell footage is faked, the noise in the movie is not random enough, it looks generated (any graphics people point out what software this was ? ) and the military know how to take better footage than that IMHO

The other alien body video I think someone is missing their big-headed child

Originally posted by All Seeing Eye
The first picture looks like it might be the "Gummy Puppen" from WWII. It was a small rubber dummy dropped from aircraft as a decoy assault force to confuse the Germans during the early hours of the Allied Invasion.

You might be right Seems I found one on Ebay



U-S-RUBBER-PARATROOPER-WW2-D-DAY
www.ioffer.com...

This one from a movie shows scale

Wow.

I'm not trying to prove anything. You, otherwise, seems to be desperate to prove they dont.

Your argument is redundant and not helpful to the thread.

But thanks anyway.

He is obviously desperate to prove you wrong by being neutral about it. He must be a "paid debunker" too, out to cover up this smoking gun evidence. Dont let them keep you from enlightening us with your photo of space monkey and random youtube videos.

Originally posted by RUSSO
reply to post by ReVoLuTiOn76

 

That one in particular is very interesting to me.

Indeed.

Seems to be authentic. The military seems to be of that time, 1940-50.

Yes they seem to be authentic, so therefore they must be. Obviously real, a tree monkey alien in a speedo. And to think our tree dwelling counter parts were of earthly origin

Pssssst

what do they know.

Originally posted by RUSSO
reply to post by PyxisVela

 

For what i know this video was remastered. About the photo, I have no information, but if I were to guess, of all the pictures of alien I ever seen, this seems to be the most plausible.

Look the expression of the lady in the back. Pretty cool.

Obviously remastered to go straight to DVD, and given your assumption and no information then it must be a real alien from outer space. Yes so very plausible, lets hold hands with the little guy to share our universal brotherhood. The look on that woman's face is a tell late sign that it is an alien because i would have the same look of reaction.


Great thread s&f

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There appears to be plenty of DNA samples there to verify the being as known/unknown, real/unreal.
Any ideas if this has been tested?
That should be the next move.
Looks like a fake mummified shell.....as a pinata, an empty one.
Tourists may spend otherwi$e.

reply to post by RUSSO


Photo is an April Fool's joke from German newspaper Neue Illustrierte April 1 1950 - the Man from Mars.

First video is fake footage used to augment Ray Santilli's fake autopsy video in the film about the fakery, Alien Autopsy.

Second video is clearly a fake papier mâché dummy. Just look at those arms and hands!

Nothing here for skeptics or believers but it's certainly irrefutable evidence for Believers.

Looking at the vid with the stretcher, if it is fake theres some considerable work gone into it. The lad in the box His/her/its eye sockets appear fibrous, fibreglass mockup perhaps. Either way he does not look very well

ops...if that was truely pictures of an alien body being recovered, the people would be dressed up in damn near space suits for fear of bacteria or contamination...even back then..at the very least, gloves and a facemask.

that would be my opinion overall...the casual nature of coming across something like that, unless they had no concept of what it was or could have been, seems to lead me to think its a hoax.

could be wrong though...source unknown?

Originally posted by darkest4
I'm just a "disinfo agent" or a "debunker". /yawn

Most likely

The thing I find enlightening about the first photo, whether or not it is real or fake, is watching that 'debunking process in action

So here we have a previous thread on this image...

Picture of an Alien
www.abovetopsecret.com...

A collection of 'debunkers'... each line is a separate member and the thread is only 4 pages
ATS 'debunking' at it's finest

I remember reading in a book that this was a hoax photo made for Halloween. It said the supposed 'alien' is really a shaved monkey with a mask. I'll have to find the book again for the direct quote...

I thought this was debunked about 15 years ago as a shaven monkey...

I heard that it was a dwarf too. I heard that it was some type of circus sideshow or something (can't really rememba right now!)...

i remember hearing that it is just a shaved monkey used in an apirl fools day prank. But I cant help but wonder about the flaps of skin in the armpit area. has anyone heard the backstory to the photo?...

ive seen this before in a book it was an aprils fool joke and its some type of dummy lol u all thought this was real...

That picture has been around for years and as others continues to pop up. It's of such poor quality and looks so badly doctored without analysis. Rands points are very sound, but it's easier to sweep rational analysis for wishful thinking...

If you think that picture is "real," you are wanting to believe far too much...

For my two cents I believe it is a fake. Too many things wrong with the picture to be authentic. I also believe there is no such thing as an "alien" but merely Satan's "helpers" (demons) who are becoming more and more visible the closer we get to the end of the world...

that pic has been proven fake. I read that in a book that I have. they say some doctors done some examining on it and it was a big hoax...

Notice the people around him, the women and the two men in thick trench coats holding him up. This is Germany during WWII, the Germans were known for "steamming" jewish people to shrink them. Experiments were made such as injecting cement and other chemicals. Shrinking was one big experiment. It's a sad photo of human history....

EDIT: haha ... went back and read the comments about it being debunked already

NICE JOB ATS That's the ole debunker spirit in action...

Now as to the origin of the photo and story itself...

For example, the picture itself appears (with a brief discussion) in Margaret Sachs "UFO Encylopedia at page 75, which mentions that the article relating to the photograph appeared in a Cologne newspaper published around the 1950s.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

1949, New Mexico. Source and story unknown, but probably authentic. It can not be excluded the small being that can be seen is not of extraterrestrial origin.
thebiggestsecretpict.online.fr...

A copy of this photograph appears in UFO documents released by the FBI .One resident of Winchester, Virginia forwarded a copy of the photograph to the FBI in 1967 and a response dated 3 October 1967 sent in the name of J Edgar Hoover stated "I can assure you the photograph you mentioned does not represent employees of this Bureau" (FBI., 1967). The same letter also states that "the investigation of Unidentified Flying Objects is not and never has been a matter that is within the investigative jurisdiction of the FBI" - a statement that was rather misleading given the FBI's prior involvement in investigating UFO reports which has been demonstrated by other documents released by the FBI.
www.isaackoi.com...

“Above, one of the most impressive photos of an alleged extraterrestrial creature recovered from crashed UFOs. For many years it was thought the photo originated from a crash in the USA, but recently it was found it was captured in Germany, shortly before the Second World War. The officers who hold the being are high-ranking members of the SS” [Brazilian UFO mag, n.18, p.18, dec 1991]

“The June 1950 Talk of the Times reproduced a pair of photos received from Cologne, Germany, one of which is a retouched picture of Dr. E.W. Kay’s model saucer that appeared in the press on January 11, 1950. The other is of two agents holding up a small humanoid with proportions somewhat like a small monkey. The caption reads, “As one silver capsule broke: the first Mars man was captured! Eyewitness G-man, McKenerich, from Phoenix (Arizona), reports ‘I was astounded by the importance of this great moment. For the first time I was seeing a being from another world. At the same time I was equally amazed by the desperation of this Aluminum Man. His body was covered with a shiny metal foil.’ The observatory in Phoenix, Arizona, presumes that this is for protection from cosmic rays.””
magonia.haaan.com...

Putting together information from various sources, this photograph appears to have been:

(1) published in the German newspaper Neue Illustrierte (on page 3 of the 1 April 1950 edition, with the title "Der Mars-Mensch").
(2) admitted to have been a hoax / joke just a few days later. This admission has very rarely been mentioned in discussions of the photograph online or in print.

The history of the publication of this photograph in UFO books and publications tells a rather sorry tale. Some correct information has appeared in a few publications but not been disseminated while, on the other hand, false information in popular books has been repeated.
www.isaackoi.com...

But even funnier is that when the debunkers create a false image to prove their point... and that image then gets passed around to various websites as 'proof' of their theory... how come no one calls them on that?



falchtpram.jpg It's even labeled 'faked pram'

I produced this quick and dirty montage to show how indeed the two men’s hands are aligned, and in a position that suggests they were holding a rigid object. A baby carriage is a very good guess:
forgetomori.com...

Now all the readers will say "Oh yeah I heard that was debunked...it was a pram

So if we get a REAL photo of an alien or UFO, does anyone think it will ever make it to the top through all the BS? Or just get buried with the hoaxes from both sides of the fence?

I don't know why most people believe aliens (if they do exist) looks like humans. Why would they? Scientists believe there might be from 2 million to as many as 50 million kinds of animals alive on earth today. Among them, only a few looks like humans. And, this is on earth, with our conditions.

What are the chances that aliens looks like humans? Almost none, pretty slim IMHO.

Every videos showing aliens looking like humans sound fakes to me. Show me something disgusting with 2 head, 6 legs, no ears ans maybe, I say maybe, I could believe it's an alien. Looking like a human? No.

Edit : What aliens might look like

My initial thought is that it is faked. My reasons to believe this are as follows:

If you discover something as groundbreaking as alien life, then you would take a better photo than that. One with more detail.

Secondly the poses in the photo look suspect. Its as though those people are holding the "alien" upright by its hands. Kind of like a puppet.

Originally posted by Esger
I don't know why most people believe aliens (if they do exist) looks like humans. Why would they?

Because ever since this whole Alien mess started we have been 'visited' by humanoids. Just look at the types ( not including any reptilians

The Day the Earth Stood Still...1951 (supposedly based on a real event Visitor from Venus)



George Adamski 1952 Visitor from Venus



Howard Menger 1956 Visitor from Venus



Valiant Thor 1958 Visitors from Venus



Then we have the Nordics, and the Pleiadians



And don't forget that Hitler believed that the tall white aryan gods of the Vedic scriptures were real

So all along before even Roswell was a household world, the Aliens were more like us than not


Gen 1:26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness

It can be argues that God and the heavenly host, being not of this Earth are true ET's and we were made in His image

So why would ANYONE expect them all to look like Reptiles or Grey puppets? That is beyond me

I have seen the photo of the so-called 'agents' holding the lickle alien
hands -in books for at least 45 years and up to now, I personally think it's
fake.

'Photoshop wasn't around then'! If you research the newspaper business
you'll find that images have been manipulated lonnnng before computers were
invented.
Look into San Francisco's great fire of 1906... find out about the photos being
changed for certain reasons. It's not conspiracy, it's just 'real-world' business.

It always astounds me that we 'pigeon-hole' people from the past. We see
the builders of Stonehenge as shambling brutes that would never have the
intellect to play a joke on each other... they are perceived has humans without
wit or the ability to set up a prank that would stand the beat of time and fool folk
in their future.
Would it have happened with people from the 1940's? Of course it could have and
what's more, it was probably created well after that and all it would have took was
for one guy to say it was authentic... and we know how little we all research....
and the label that it is undoubtedly real and verified, would be accepted without any
further to-do.

The video that is supposed to show the bodies allegedly discovered in a UFO crash in
Roswell... it's an obvious fake.
Ask yourself this:
If you were the military cameraman in 1947 and you were asked/instructed/ordered or
even - you just turned up to see what happened, what would you do?
Would you:
A. film the revealing of bodies of strange beings -possibly from another world, on the dirty
Air Base ground and hope that you've done your duty?

B. Struggle to document what may be the greatest find in our history -past the milling
bodies of your fellow-soldiers as they oggle the event, without any official at the base
ordering a sensible more-revealing vista?

C. Only pan the camera fleetingly on the these travellers from another world and fill
up most of the footage with faces of soldiers and serious-looking people?

What do you think the video was trying to purvey? A serious event which can be proved
merely by the looks on the wandering adults face?

If only we had good film stock back then... I haven't researched it, but did all the movies made
for enteratinment have such poor quality? Of course not! The sepia tone (poor in my opinion)...
and the white-out are for effect.
It tends to be accepted in the public's mind that any 'Government-conspiracy' or 'Monster-find'
that video footage should be blurred and be taken by a person with St. Vitus's Dance.
It's gone on for so long now it's engrained in the public's perception of this kind of stuff.

The third is entertainment and guarrentees the programme makers get 30 minutes or 1 hour of
TV airing and ergo, paid.
The TV company supposedly discovered a hidden body of an alien and... well what?
Nothing.
As a fully-paid up member of the 'Dis-Info Agents-Are-Us' brigade or a NSA agent sneaking
among you, it's my job to sound unwilling to believe this stuff.

Come on guys.