LA Plane Theory is blown out of the sky - US missed Chinese Missile

Occam's razor comes to mind here.

I live in Southern California and the contrail that made the news was no different than the hundreds we see throughout the month. Especially, in the Inland Empire area near March Air Force Base (I live just a couple miles from it). I doubt very much we will ever know for sure but I think it is more likely that it was a classified aircraft, rather than a missile. Otherwise, if it was indeed a missile, they would have lied to us and just told us it was another missile test off the coast (They had one last year and it looked nothing like this contrail.).

reply to post by Hendrix92TheUniverse


Good thing we have government sources like you... War with China is a fact and going to happen

If the us didnt confirm it was the chinese i really dont think u have the authority or inside connect to say it was the chinese either.

reply to post by Phage


All true. But Phage, you did ask where the interceptor missile was fired from. The NAVAL AIR WARFARE CENTER SEA RANGE does appear be one capable of firing such a missile. And then have a standing warnings in effect. And what better way to test/practice that to try to shoot down a real hostile missile!

And regarding the contrail length, many people are assuming is a ballistic missile. Cruise missiles generally travel thousands of miles at subsonic speeds. And could easily generate a contrail for that period of time. Generally cruise missiles do fly at low altitudes principally to avoid radar detection. But the photos do tend to suggest a ballistic flight path, at least initially Thats why getting more data on the missiles flight path is so important.

OK as a career Military Aviation person, this is completely obvious to me that this is an ICBM. If you notice at the beginning of the contrail at the nearest point to the surface, you will notice a what seems to be a pause in the contrail. This pause is created when the ICBM clears the surface of the water and the main rocket motors ignite. Then the missile proceeds normally.

Personally I think this presents two issues. 1. If this was an accidental firing of an ICBM by the US or our allies, then what state of real readiness exists within one of the most secret and powerful arm of our Triad.

2. If this was not one of our missiles or one of our allies, then how did this sub get within 35 miles of the coast of our country undetected.

Either way this is not good.

I believe it was a missile. But, not Chinese. They do not need a physical missile. They have an economic and money missile. All they have to do is call in the debt.

In the 1990's, we seen an airliner FLT 800 explode out of New York. All witnesses stated they watched a missile leave the ground and explode at altitude. The next few days and weeks were spent debunking eye witness reports. To the extent of telling people what they saw was not what they saw. It was not a missile going up but aircraft disintegrating an it was coming down. A missile is a hightech fireworks rocket with a guidance system. I have yet to see a rocket reflect a vision like spokes on a wheel traveling the other way. Debunking and makeing people look stupid is a tactic used by the government. Minimize the people.

I believe this is a missile. It is a hand held stinger. Launched from a boat or off of one of the Islands. That missile could have been smuggled through Mexico with drug cartel help very easily. Then transported via water from Mexico up the coast. The terrorist were aiming to take out another airliner. This scenerio is more likely than the other theories posted. We are at war with terrorists, Their aim is to annialate America. The great satan and home of the infidels.

reply to post by lucasraffablog


WOW!! excellent FIND~! star for this one for sure!!! No argument here!!! So, IMO, it's fear mongering. Why? Simple, when the government CAN"T tell us.. even though this document states it is such !!! flame::flame

reply to post by boondock-saint


Nice work boondock. I think it's important to try to understand these things to our satisfaction and not immediately buy into whatever the mass media (or other ATSers) tells us to believe.

The image you indicated, shown below in negative, does look like two missile tracks. If the second lower one is a cloud, it's totally different from the other clouds around it:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/5e8b8345ca49.jpg[/atsimg]

However I don't believe it was a Chinese missile. It could be a pure US Navy op. First they launch a dummy ballistic missile then they try to shoot it down with a US Navy sub launched anti-air missile. The pentagon of course denies it because they don't want other countries to know US Navy subs have anti-air or even anti-missile capability. They should have done it at night though unless they needed some data from a daylight test.

reply to post by zcflint05


Yes, I suppose so. Just wondering why someone starts a new thread. This contrail is discussed here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

But of course. By starting a new thread one can ignore all the facts of it being a jet contrail that has been presented in the original thread.

A chinese missile? Don't know if i should laugh or cry...

If someone posted this already then sorry I missed it. SM3's don't carry an explosive warhead they use a kinetic kill vehicle and hit with the force of a 10,000lb truck hitting a brick wall at 500 mph. While I still don't think it was an aircraft contrail, we did not shoot an ABM at it. Now if a ship launched maybe an SM2 then it would have to be within at least 50NM, SM2's carry large warheads even if it was a near miss the mystery object would have been splashed. Also to add with RIMPAC 2010 going on there would have been a hell of a lot more than 1 missile launched at whatever it was.

reply to post by boondock-saint


I think you've got it dead on the money, man. Your analysis is the only thing I've heard which deals with all the observations and the data in the photo.

Great job

reply to post by mustangusn


A stinger missile has a burn time of a few seconds. Not ten minutes.
www.globalsecurity.org...

I'm sorry but Airplanes don't make spiral contrails, and where are the chemtrail people at!!!? We all know contrails should only stay in the air for like 15sec. Even if you can't see the two contrails, everyone should agree than airplanes cannot make spiral contrails like that, that is a missile, or some type of rocket, no doubt.

Thanks for excellent points and I would agree, this is not good. The 2nd question one is one I was about to post myself. I also posted that we can shoot a back azimuth to locate the launch..

Wouldn't you agree?

Originally posted by spopssgt
OK as a career Military Aviation person, this is completely obvious to me that this is an ICBM. If you notice at the beginning of the contrail at the nearest point to the surface, you will notice a what seems to be a pause in the contrail. This pause is created when the ICBM clears the surface of the water and the main rocket motors ignite. Then the missile proceeds normally.

Personally I think this presents two issues. 1. If this was an accidental firing of an ICBM by the US or our allies, then what state of real readiness exists within one of the most secret and powerful arm of our Triad.

2. If this was not one of our missiles or one of our allies, then how did this sub get within 35 miles of the coast of our country undetected.

Either way this is not good.

Originally posted by Unidentified_Objective

I doubt very much we will ever know for sure but I think it is more likely that it was a classified aircraft, rather than a missile.

My sentiments exactly! Last time I posted my ideas on the classified aircraft theory, it was labeled "suspicious..."

reply to post by leira7

Are you sure?

Originally posted by spopssgt
OK as a career Military Aviation person, this is completely obvious to me that this is an ICBM.

Ok as a MT(SS) for Poseidon C-3's, sub launched missiles are NOT ICBM's. They are classified as IRBM.
Intermediate Range Ballistic Missiles.

If you notice at the beginning of the contrail at the nearest point to the surface, you will notice a what seems to be a pause in the contrail. This pause is created when the ICBM clears the surface of the water and the main rocket motors ignite. Then the missile proceeds normally.

From the photos provided the CONTRAIL is widest at the bottom and cannot see the launch point at that great distance! There is no "pause".
There is only one rocket motor, not motors.

Personally I think this presents two issues. 1. If this was an accidental firing of an ICBM by the US or our allies, then what state of real readiness exists within one of the most secret and powerful arm of our Triad.

There is NO SUCH THING as an accidental launch from a US SSBN!!!
UNLESS the whole crew and the Pentagon AND the President were involved.
There are four safes with keys and four combination that are required just to get to the launch key.
Not to mention the launch codes which the President holds in the "football".
Target data loading from the FT's and navigation...I could go on and on, but you get the idea.

2. If this was not one of our missiles or one of our allies, then how did this sub get within 35 miles of the coast of our country undetected.

It wasn't and it didn't as far as all the evidence provided suggests

Either way this is not good.

Yeah I guess you are right.
73's,
Tom

Originally posted by lucasraffablog
Guys, it was a missile and announced. Look the documents: msi.nga.mil... (#45)

434/10(18).
EASTERN NORTH PACIFIC.
CALIFORNIA.
MISSILES.
1. INTERMITTENT MISSILE FIRING OPERATIONS 0001Z TO 2359Z
DAILY MONDAY THRU SUNDAY IN THE NAVAL AIR WARFARE CENTER
SEA RANGE. THE MAJORITY OF MISSILE FIRINGS TAKE PLACE
1400Z TO 2359Z AND 0001Z TO 0200Z DAILY MONDAY THRU FRIDAY
IN AREA BOUND BY
34-02N 119-04W, 33-52N 119-06W, 33-29N 118-37W,
33-20N 118-37W, 32-11N 120-16W, 31-54N 121-35W,
35-09N 123-39W, 35-29N 123-00W, 35-57N 121-32W,
34-04N 119-04W.
2. VESSELS MAY BE REQUESTED TO ALTER COURSE WITHIN THE ABOVE
AREA DUE TO FIRING OPERATIONS AND ARE REQUESTED TO CONTACT
PLEAD CONTROL ON 5081.5 MHZ (5080 KHZ) OR 3238.5 KHZ (3237 KHZ)
SECONDARY OR 156.8 MHZ (CH 16) OR 127.55 MHZ BEFORE ENTERING
THE ABOVE BOUNDARIES AND MAINTAIN CONTINUOUS GUARD WHILE
WITHIN THE RANGE.
3. VESSELS INBOUND AND OUTBOUND FOR SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA PORTS
WILL CREATE THE LEAST INTERFERENCE TO FIRING OPERATIONS
DURING THE SPECIFIC PERIODS, AS WELL AS ENHANCE THE VESSEL'S
Messages in force 281230Z October 2010:
2010 series 424(18) 431(GEN) 434(18)
403(19) 430(19) 433(19) 435(18,83)
NM 45/10 SECTION III
III-1.8
SAFETY WHEN PASSING THROUGH THE VICINITY OF THE SEA RANGE
IF THEY WILL TRANSIT VIA THE SANTA BARBARA CHANNEL AND WITHIN
NINE MILES OFFSHORE VICINITY OF POINT MUGU OR CROSS THE AREA
SOUTHWEST OF SAN NICOLAS ISLAND BETWEEN SUNSET AND SUNRISE.
4. CANCEL NAVAREA XII 427/10.

Is somebody going to make a new thread to PROVE that this was a REAL missile then, since the information and official statement has been posted? I'm at work, so can't do it.

Someone!
Anyone!
People have got to know that this is true and very real, what is going on?

reply to post by leira7

It was posted on the previous page and it means absolutely nothing.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Looks too steep to be a plane to me...