LA Plane Theory is blown out of the sky - US missed Chinese Missile

Guys, it was a missile and announced. Look the documents: msi.nga.mil... (#45)

434/10(18).
EASTERN NORTH PACIFIC.
CALIFORNIA.
MISSILES.
1. INTERMITTENT MISSILE FIRING OPERATIONS 0001Z TO 2359Z
DAILY MONDAY THRU SUNDAY IN THE NAVAL AIR WARFARE CENTER
SEA RANGE. THE MAJORITY OF MISSILE FIRINGS TAKE PLACE
1400Z TO 2359Z AND 0001Z TO 0200Z DAILY MONDAY THRU FRIDAY
IN AREA BOUND BY
34-02N 119-04W, 33-52N 119-06W, 33-29N 118-37W,
33-20N 118-37W, 32-11N 120-16W, 31-54N 121-35W,
35-09N 123-39W, 35-29N 123-00W, 35-57N 121-32W,
34-04N 119-04W.
2. VESSELS MAY BE REQUESTED TO ALTER COURSE WITHIN THE ABOVE
AREA DUE TO FIRING OPERATIONS AND ARE REQUESTED TO CONTACT
PLEAD CONTROL ON 5081.5 MHZ (5080 KHZ) OR 3238.5 KHZ (3237 KHZ)
SECONDARY OR 156.8 MHZ (CH 16) OR 127.55 MHZ BEFORE ENTERING
THE ABOVE BOUNDARIES AND MAINTAIN CONTINUOUS GUARD WHILE
WITHIN THE RANGE.
3. VESSELS INBOUND AND OUTBOUND FOR SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA PORTS
WILL CREATE THE LEAST INTERFERENCE TO FIRING OPERATIONS
DURING THE SPECIFIC PERIODS, AS WELL AS ENHANCE THE VESSEL'S
Messages in force 281230Z October 2010:
2010 series 424(18) 431(GEN) 434(18)
403(19) 430(19) 433(19) 435(18,83)
NM 45/10 SECTION III
III-1.8
SAFETY WHEN PASSING THROUGH THE VICINITY OF THE SEA RANGE
IF THEY WILL TRANSIT VIA THE SANTA BARBARA CHANNEL AND WITHIN
NINE MILES OFFSHORE VICINITY OF POINT MUGU OR CROSS THE AREA
SOUTHWEST OF SAN NICOLAS ISLAND BETWEEN SUNSET AND SUNRISE.
4. CANCEL NAVAREA XII 427/10.

If it was a missile, does anybody know or have an idea of where it landed or should have landed?
I haven't heard anyone talking about that part.

This may be my new favorite thread because it has all the important aspects for a quality thread on ATS:

1) A picture altered to remove certain aspects in order to "prove" the theory.

2) The OP responding constantly but conveniently ignoring certain questions and sometimes answering with what is essentially "because I said so."

3) All other ideas beyond the OP's being dismissed out of hand.

4) Ignoring so called "facts" that simply don't add up because it would kill the theory.

reply to post by boondock-saint



With such thought provoking ground breaking analysis of the situation I can't imagine why I don't believe you.

I have said this in previous threads but it you want to make extraordinary claims you have to back it up with extraordinary proof, and a bubble in a cloud below a contrail is not proof.

And how would it benefit the Chinese to launch 1 missile? How would the NORAD know that it was a warning and not a strike? If the US was worried enough about a missile to launch counter measures you bet you ass they'd launch a retaliatory strike. And with that you wouldn't have to analyze contrails to figure out what is going on.

And if it was in response to the US currency move, doesn't that seem a little extreme considering how much China has invested in the economic health of the US?

Originally posted by Human_Alien
reply to post by Phage

 

But if it was a contrail then, why aren't they reported (and mixed-up) more often?
Again, my BS radar is sounding off and I can't seem to shut it up!

You seem to be forgetting a post yesterday. Someone started a thread about a missile over Newfoundland. It was a contrail, too. Didn't you start that thread yourself? And a day or two after the CA "missle" showing a similarly lit contrail declared to be "behind" the Empire State Building. Also a contrail. The missile over Phoenix? Contrail. Not only before, but probably well after this contrail, people are going to be declaring they are "missiles".
Contrails are confused for weapons every single day. It's called "Chemtrail Theory". You are familiar with that as well, if I recall.
Sounds like you need to replace or reset your "bull$#!+ometer". Try removing the power source.

reply to post by Starseed32


I will let someone else input the data required to track this flight.

flightaware.com...

Maybe you can figure this out.

Here's Flight 808 on the night in question from FlightAware.

Notice it goes SOUTH of LA

The KCBS Chopper was over LA, the missile was moving from left to right originating over the sea. Since the sea was on the left the missile had to clearly be moving north of LA.

The only way the KCBS aircraft could have viewed flight 808 is if it was down near San Diego.


[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/06f1cbae1635.gif[/atsimg]





Next post I will add locations for the helicopter, plume and point of origin.

reply to post by emsed1



Good luck on the point of origin. Nobody and i mean nobody can say how far or how high this plume was coming from. And if you look at the links to my very early post's, You will see that contrails or whatever they may be is to hard to tell from lower altitudes whether they are going straight up or across the sky. not in all cases but definetly in some.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/95e9e80ae52c.gif[/atsimg]


Red is the helicopter.

White is the perceived path.

The line below is the actual recorded flight path of 808.

reply to post by Cyberspy


why is is so easy to denie it was a missle, when multiple expert opinion and common sense and logic proves this is not an airplane!

reply to post by russ1969


Yep, very imprecise. I used the '35 miles offshore' which put the origin near St. Nicholas Island where the Navy performs missile ops.

I put the helicopter 'over LA' but I've never seen an exact placement.

The helicopter, though would have had to be very far south if that was 808.

Originally posted by mandoSD2012
reply to post by Cyberspy

 

why is is so easy to denie it was a missle, when multiple expert opinion and common sense and logic proves this is not an airplane!

The problem is nobody can prove it. And i think our "common sense" may differ. Not uncommon. It is proven on this sight everyday. We all have our opinions and they differ all the time.

of course it could also mean it was a contrail from any one of dozens of other flights. But I definitely feel like it WASN'T 808 FWIW.

Folks, no matter what the outcome, this does appear to bed an AMAZING analysis by @boondock-saint.

My major issue with Phage's US808 from Hawaii contrail theory is the simple issue of NORAD secrecy. If it was a plane or even an inadvertent "US" missile launch, NORAD would have said so instead of lying and saying they don't know what it is/was (which is also contrary to an insider report that is was a launch)..

@boondock-saint's is the ONLY explanation I have seen that covers all the know facts and is VERY plausible.

It would be nice if we could go on and determine some other facts.
1. I would like to see the US808 flight path shown in the OP photo (even if the photo needs to be enlarged/stretched).
2. I would think it would be possible to determine an azimuth for the "Chinese" missile. This would at least tell us about some potential targets.
3. If would also be very nice to know the altitude of the "Chinese" missile. That would help determine the trajectory (ballistic or cruise) and maybe the missile nationality and type. I'm of the opinion it's a cruise missile if for now other reason that it is a more precise tactical type weapon.
4. The launch point of the interceptor missile.

Now maybe if boondock-saint, Phage and emused1 can put aside their differences and instead put their heads together, we may have some answers to those questions.

If it was a plane, wouldn't it be extremely easy for the military to know exactly what plane it was? They know the time and location, and they have the most comprehensive radar data on the planet, but they can't tell us what flight it was?

That is what screams "missile" to me over anything else. Flight 808 is an obvious red herring since it had arrived in Arizona by the time this filming happened, or was very close to it, if I am not mistaken. So, we are left with the military not knowing what was flying around L.A. That right there says, "not a plane".

TPTB must really really suck at controlling the media i guess

Let's say the missile theory is right, and that we tried to down a forign missile that was "snuck up on us". What would have happened if we had actually destroyed it. How would the government have explained that. And what would we be talking about right now?

Let me please point out that norad didn't know because they had to investigate all sources to determine what it was. That takes time and wouldn't be a good idea to speculate before rendering a statement. When it was all said and done they said most likely an airplane. Then they closed the case.So from here on out there will be no more statements regarding this issue. As far as they are concerned no threat so we can all go back to our lives.

Whether this is true or not, I dont know. But i can tell you that it will all be speculation from here on out.Simply put, We wont know the truth for sure.

Thank you all for contributing to a great thread and I hope someday we will find out the truth. Have to wait for thing's to become un-classified.

Wow, this is the most oblivious theory one can come up with.

Chinese nuclear sub getting into range of US metropolitans? You think the US navy would allow that?

Even if this happened, WAR WILL BE DECLARED.

CHINESE AND AMERICAN GOVERNMENTS ARE NOT STUPID.

It is AGAINST Chinese interests to do this. The US would be so freaking happy if it did happen.


The fact is, we're being lied to about where the missile came from or what it is.

reply to post by emsed1

For another perspective, this webcam shot was taken from LAX.


This image, and some others taken from near Los Angeles harbor, have given a time for the "event".
UPS flight 902 has been determined to be a much more likely candidate.