Poppy-burning Muslim protesters mar Armistice Day commemorations as millions fall

reply to post by oozyism


Agreed. And to back up your point that "wonners of wars makwe history" ask american school children about the war and then ask birish school children. They are told different, portraying their own contries of glory.

reply to post by Yissachar1


They are truly a disgrace to their religion and let down responsible Muslims everywhere! What is so sad is just how Petty, Childish and Demeaning all this is to those who wish to partake in serious debate, in an effort towards achieving a greater understanding of the cultural differences which divide East and West! Only through meaningful dialogue will problems be solved and issues addressed...

reply to post by Yissachar1


A lot of angry people here and it is understandable. But let us not forget that Britain is waging two illegal wars. Over a million people have been murdered.

And while we all go and buy a poppy and wear it in "remembrance" and to "support out troops" we forget to remember that most of those returning from ww1 and 2, the same who faught for our freedom said "NEVER AGAIN". As for supporting the troops, the best way to do this is to bring them home.

As you read this hundreds are being poisoned by the DU weapons we are using. They are getting.sick and their children will be barn deformed, we have already done this to the families in Iraq and Afghanistan. The poppy has become a tradition, many who wear them do so to conform.

It is sad that people only remember "heroes", who remembers the victims, both theirs and ours.

reply to post by GrumpyBadger


Quality post man , there is far too many people being "conforming" to the government armed politics

remember the people who died and what they died for , then remember that the people are out their fighting for the exact opposite!

NEVER AGAIN exactly , yet there are still so many singing up form lack of jobs and money to support their families

reply to post by GrumpyBadger


Exactly which two 'illegal' wars are Britain waging at present?
And how exactly are they 'illegal'?

Originally posted by ModernAcademia


This entire debate is nothing more than really being about perception

Sorry to disagree, no it's not.
It's about respect, or the lack of it and hypocrisy.

Remembrance Day is an important day in British culture.
It is a time when we pay solemn, somber respect to those, regardless of race or creed, who have served this country.
That these scum bags chose such a public and distasteful way to disrespect our commemoration then demand respect for their own cultural observations is partcularly galling.
They show no respect for anything or anyone but themselves and their own interests.

For many a line has been crossed and this will never be forgotten.

reply to post by Freeborn



Which do you think I mean? Seems a silly question really, but let me explain.

Iraq: This is a preemptive war which is against international law.

Afghanistan: invaded to find one man whom the FBI says it has no evidence against.

In both countries DU weapons are being use and The laws of war states;

Art. 8. It is forbidden:
(a) To make use of poison, in any form whatever;


Nuremberg Principles:

Principle II
Principle II states, "The fact that internal law does not impose a penalty for an act which constitutes a crime under international law does not relieve the person who committed the act from responsibility under international law."

Principle III
Principle III states, "The fact that a person who committed an act which constitutes a crime under international law acted as Head of State or responsible government official does not relieve him from responsibility under international law."

Principle VI
Principle VI states,
"The crimes hereinafter set out are punishable as crimes under international law:
(a) Crimes against peace:
(i) Planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances;
(ii) Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the acts mentioned under (i).

Anything else?

reply to post by GrumpyBadger


Two wars?

What two wars are those then? Britain withdrew from Iraq last year?

Oh dear.

And to those who say it is freedom of speech for those Muzzies to burn the poppies - yes i agree with you.

Riddle me this then... Why were six EDL members arrested in gateshead for burning a Qu'ran recently? Surely this is just them demonstrating their freedom of speech too?

As previously said it is 1 rule for one and a completely different set of rules for anyone who is English and lives in their own country!!!

reply to post by GrumpyBadger


Looks like The King beat me to it, we withdrew from Iraq over a year ago.

Afghanistan?
Complicated situation.
We can not allow The Taliban to gain control, and the majority of Afghan's don't want them either.
But clearly the Afghan's resent our presence.
Are the Afghan's capable of successfully resisting The Taliban?
Probably not.
No easy solution, but we must learn from the mistakes made in Iraq, apparently we aren't.

But that has no bearing whatsoever on this.

Read the thread, it has been explained several times.

"These were the Muslim extremists who brought shame to the memory of the dead yesterday by breaking the traditional two-minute silence with chants of ‘British soldiers burn in hell’.

Ironically, it was the freedom for which thousands fought that allowed them to stage their demonstration at the stroke of 11am – the exact moment the nation came to a halt at the Cenotaph, across the country, and after parallel services at British bases in Afghanistan. "


Yeah, very neutral, very good news source.

I'm beginning to think that this forum is for people to rant instead of investigate.

reply to post by die_another_day


And your point is?

reply to post by KingDoey


The mercenaries are still there. War by proxy is still war. There are atill British soldiers there assisting and training.

But let us say you are right and it is now only one war. Does it make the Iraq war any less illegal? Who is accountable? Or does it not matter anymore because "the British pulled out last year".

Leaving the crime scene does not make you innocent. To be honest it is not even important.

reply to post by GrumpyBadger


And exactly what should we have done about Iraq and Afghanistan?

Originally posted by KingDoey
reply to post by GrumpyBadger

 

Riddle me this then... Why were six EDL members arrested in gateshead for burning a Qu'ran recently? Surely this is just them demonstrating their freedom of speech too?

Those EDL members were arrested for a good reason otherwise the black and asian muslim youths would have been on the streets looking to cause trouble.

Looking at how multi-cultural Britain has become, a full-scale race war would finish this country and the authorities know that very well.

Originally posted by die_another_day
"These were the Muslim extremists who brought shame to the memory of the dead yesterday by breaking the traditional two-minute silence with chants of ‘British soldiers burn in hell’.

Ironically, it was the freedom for which thousands fought that allowed them to stage their demonstration at the stroke of 11am – the exact moment the nation came to a halt at the Cenotaph, across the country, and after parallel services at British bases in Afghanistan. "


Yeah, very neutral, very good news source.

I'm beginning to think that this forum is for people to rant instead of investigate.

It was in ALL the news sources, YOU do some investigation!

What do you expect us to do to show them our indignation? "Tap them with a pencil?"

Originally posted by jmdewey60

Originally posted by Freedom ERP
reply to post by jmdewey60

 

You understand wrong. And what is your experience or knowledge base of live in the UK. Little Britain?

It's not too hard to figure out, like watch the movie Braveheart where the king would give land to people to be loyal. Where did the land come from to be given out? From other people who the Crown would deem as being disloyal. Under the feudal system the land ultimately belonged to the Crown and since William the Conqueror, they made good use of the concept to where big estates developed as rewards for fealty, and they exist to this day.

Dude you were right in the first post you made re conditions in the UK, I live up the road from Yiss the OP, his anti Muslim rabble rousing views are still uncommon but growing, mostly amongst low people like the ones I grew up with, cowardly bottom feeders the lot.

You'll note all the blowhards saying if a white man did this or that he'd be done for racism, but the reality is they do nowt because they're scared of getting hurt, just like their ancestors who looked up to Robbin Hood but wouldn't take to the forest, just kept their heads down and let the Normans take whatever they wanted.

Originally posted by q_ball
Your all just...so so stu..silly?

On one end we have some paranoid people thinking little jessica will be forced to wear a viel in school?

They're really all just using this occasion to push their agenda, thinking the Muslims have made a pr mistake and they'll get a bit more support for the edl, bnp or erp, bottom line is they're advocating mass punishment of all Muslims for the actions of a few, who knows who is pulling the strings of the few their leader is probably SB or MI5.

Originally posted by Soshh
I don’t particularly care what these sad individuals have to say, as long as I am not around to hear it. They weren’t representing anyone’s beliefs but their own, if that. There were only ~30 of them so they would have to try and be as offensive as possible to get any attention at all. These aren’t mainstream Muslim beliefs and I'm sure that those who didn’t cover their faces at least are all on some record now.

Today our soldiers choose to be soldiers, if they die it is because they chose a very dangerous job and that’s all there is to it. When I’m dead someone can insult me all they like, but this isn’t only an insult to dead soldiers it is an insult to the families that they leave behind and that’s totally unacceptable and pointless in my opinion. If you're going to say those things, go out and say it to the soldiers themselves because I'm sure that they would love to hear it.

My views entirely, particularly the first and last lines, by all means "get" the individuals but my Muslim neighbors are all sound poppy wearing people so stop hating on them.

reply to post by Freeborn


What should we have done? That is a very interesting question...

I think the question is why did we do it? Surely you do not still believe in the WMD argument do you? As for Afghanistan, well most of the hijackers were Saudi, why are we not murdering them? Oh yes, because they have oil, but more importantly "we" own the oil or should I say US & UK corporations control the production.

Saddam wanted Euro instead of the Dollar for his oil, THAT is why "we" invaded.

www.lewrockwell.com...

Afghanistan was invaded so a pipeline can be built to the Caspian Sea ensuring that "we" control the resources not the Russians to the north or the Chinese to the East.
Taliban visits US

The deal with Unocal fell through, the rest is history.

But lets go back a little further. It was "we" that put Saddam there.
Saddm & the CIA

In Afghanistan, the Soviet backed government was secular, women were going to school and had rights. But "we" could not have the USSR gaining a foothold in the region not to mention the opium, "we" interfered.let have a look where else we have interfered:

China, 1945-49:

Italy, 1947-48:

Greece, 1947-49:

Philippines, 1945-53:

South Korea, 1945-53:

Albania, 1949-53:

Germany, 1950s:

Iran, 1953:

Guatemala, 1953-1990s:

Middle East, 1956-58:

Indonesia, 1957-58:

British Guiana/Guyana, 1953-64:

Vietnam, 1950-73:

Cambodia, 1955-73:

The Congo/Zaire, 1960-65:

Brazil, 1961-64:

Dominican Republic, 1963-66:

Cuba, 1959 to present:

Indonesia, 1965:

Chile, 1964-73:

Greece, 1964-74:

East Timor, 1975 to present:

Nicaragua, 1978-89:

Grenada, 1979-84:

Libya, 1981-89:

Panama, 1989:

Iraq, 1990s:

Afghanistan, 1979-92:

El Salvador, 1980-92:

Haiti, 1987-94:

Yugoslavia, 1999:
Mor details on each here


You may be thinking these are US interventions not UK, make no mistake "we" is Anglo-American corporations. Where the US kills the UK corporations profit.

So when you think "what should we do"? I ask you, my friend, have we not done enough?

Originally posted by Thepreye

Originally posted by jmdewey60

Originally posted by Freedom ERP
reply to post by jmdewey60

 

You understand wrong. And what is your experience or knowledge base of live in the UK. Little Britain?

It's not too hard to figure out, like watch the movie Braveheart where the king would give land to people to be loyal. Where did the land come from to be given out? From other people who the Crown would deem as being disloyal. Under the feudal system the land ultimately belonged to the Crown and since William the Conqueror, they made good use of the concept to where big estates developed as rewards for fealty, and they exist to this day.

Dude you were right in the first post you made re conditions in the UK, I live up the road from Yiss the OP, his anti Muslim rabble rousing views are still uncommon but growing, mostly amongst low people like the ones I grew up with, cowardly bottom feeders the lot.

You'll note all the blowhards saying if a white man did this or that he'd be done for racism, but the reality is they do nowt because they're scared of getting hurt, just like their ancestors who looked up to Robbin Hood but wouldn't take to the forest, just kept their heads down and let the Normans take whatever they wanted.

Nottingham huh?

This is the Black Country, not a place full of women.

I am not afraid of getting hurt, I have been in harms way many times.

Blowhards?

Are you testing my manhood? Or questioning your own and judging by your own standards?

Online?

Get a clue