Poppy-burning Muslim protesters mar Armistice Day commemorations as millions fall

Originally posted by Hack28

Originally posted by Doujutsu

Originally posted by Hack28
reply to post by Doujutsu

 

No, but if they scream for blood during the 2 minutes of silence it makes them blood thirsty terrorists.

Freedom of speech?

Or does that only apply to white man burning the Quran or making cartoons of Islamic Prophet?

are you kidding me? Geert Wildress google that man.
if the "white man" draws a picture Islam puts him on a hitlist. Its amazing to see a religion that has its basis around eliminating freedoms such as speech use such freedoms to spread their hate.
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did you miss the world reaction to one white nut who wanted to burn the quran? explain to me how whites have a free pass?

Explain to me where do you draw the line for freedom of speech?

In UK we don't have just one white nut, we have quite a few nutters.

reply to post by Doujutsu


fair question and i think the general question to the whole thread/event
"what is the line on freedom of speech."
my response to that would be freedom of speech is absolute, obstaination from reaction to said events is not.
Of course they had the right to have their little protest, and i think we can all agree is was distastefull, but i went on their website and they are saying.
look at their reactions they have hated us all along we can now see their true hate.
well thats not right, you cant make a clearly provacative act and than use the resulting backlash as proof of mass hatred, its asinine.

reply to post by blupblup


blupblup

My Grandfather died in WWII.... and my other Grandfather survived and I actually have all of his medals now.

How did any of my posts so far prove your point.....

oozyism

It was between me and another individual who claimed that his grandfather fought for Britain's freedom, I said he didn't, and you just proved my point.

Read the highlighted parts of the quotes.

What is my point "claimed that his grandfather fought for Britain's freedom", see the answer was in the previous post, but you're just want to keep talking don't you. You proved that the war between Britain and Germany, was not about Britain's freedom.

bulpbulp

Maybe you should tell me why Britain and Germany was at war.

oozyism

Something about Poland?

FAIL

reply to post by oozyism


see what your doing?
we all can
here ill explain it to you, instead of arguing points your arguing people. When we try to discuss points with you your only rebuttle is for us to explain to you different points in History. Since none of us want to take that time you move on to the next subject like some sort of lack of knowledge on the subject is a winning result.
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you sir are not able to have a discussion or conversation on this topic, im not saying leave i am saying you have not SAID anything yet. Until you do whats the point in talking with you? your purely argumentative with nothing to add.

Originally posted by Hack28
reply to post by Doujutsu

 

fair question and i think the general question to the whole thread/event
"what is the line on freedom of speech."
my response to that would be freedom of speech is absolute, obstaination from reaction to said events is not.
Of course they had the right to have their little protest, and i think we can all agree is was distastefull, but i went on their website and they are saying.
look at their reactions they have hated us all along we can now see their true hate.
well thats not right, you cant make a clearly provacative act and than use the resulting backlash as proof of mass hatred, its asinine.

edit on 15-11-2010 by Hack28 because: (no reason given)

All i am saying is whether they hate anyone or not, they are practising their freedom of speech.

Yes its distastefull, but no one can take their right away from them from practising their freedom of speech.

Otherwise if we put limits on freedom of speech than we have have to cover every aspect that would intentionally or un-intentionally hurt someone's feelings or their 'sensitive' side.

reply to post by oozyism




What are you talking about?

Hitler was planning on conquering all of Europe.... you do realise this right?
I even gave you a link....

In order to protect ourselves and others in Europe... war was declared on Germany.

I honestly cannot believe that this discussion needs to take place.

The only thing that fails is your intelligence.

I'm not sure I've ever met anyone who didn't know about WWII and Hitler.

I'm speechless.


You carry on picking faults with everyone else mate.... you are at fault.... your lack of history is shocking.

Many people's Grandfathers died protecting our country.... WWII is not like Iraq or Afghanistan.

This was a fight for our lives... not a war for profit and oil.

As the Cliche goes... we would all be speaking German if we hadn't won the war.

I'm done in this discussion.... It's like talking to an alien... with no concept of history or logic or anything.

You should be ashamed of yourself.


Also you got your quotes the wrong way around.... I said "Something about Poland" and it was sarcasm... a dig at how stupid you are...

Originally posted by Doujutsu
Do you know how sacred the Quran is to 1.5Bil muslims and how important their love is for their Prophet?

Those things are VERY important to muslims but when made a mockery out off is called 'freedom of speech'.

So if those nutters burn the poppies, isn't it their freedom of speech?

There is no difference between people intentionally disrespecting the Qur'an, and the people intentionally disrespecting Remembrance Day. People should be free to do so, if they are not breaking any laws.

However, both actions are intended to upset and antagonise another group of people, and the UK has laws in place to charge anyone that incites racial or religious hatred.

This group of people that were burning poppies clearly appear to be falling foul of inciting religious hatred, as their protest was accompanied by placards that appeared to be religiously motivated, and could have been construed as inciting religious hatred against those who are not Muslims.

The frustrating part is when the law is not applied consistently.

I don't think you'd find too many reasonable people in the UK that would defend a group of people, or think that the law shouldn't be applied equally to people publicly disrespecting the Qur'an in a similar manner.

reply to post by blupblup


The US has plans to invade every country in this earth, does that mean it will?

Even poor Canada ..

Story wasting my time, I have already discussed these issues, maybe you should try reading from couple of pages back to learn a little more about the context of the comments.

FFS this is getting pathetic!

oozy we'd made so much progress now it seem's you are reverting back and trying to provoke an arguement for arguing's sake.
I'm certain you could spend your time more positively by learning about WWII.

Doujutsu, it's not about freedom of speech, it's about complete and utter lack of respect shown for their foster nation and it's commemoration of those who have served for it.
They show a wilful disregard and disrespect yet demand complete and utter respect for themselves.
Hypocrisy at it's finest.
And all they have achieved is their further alienation from the rest of British society.

I ask you again to read the thread in it's entirity to save repetition.

reply to post by Doujutsu


i agree and concour, yet reactionary free speech goes to far?
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i understand your point and i believe you understand mine, for me personally it is frustrating in this day and age when i see a demonstration like this and i excercise my freedom of speech im a racist white elitist who thinks all muslims are terrorists and i wanna murder them all.
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NOOOO, i want to voice my outrage on these acts and what the intetntions of these groups going forward would be to that country and mine. I cant do so without the above mentioned label.

reply to post by Doujutsu


In my neck of the woods 12 members of one Bonfire council where arrested because ONE person was offended by an effigy they burnt, where as in this case tens if not hundreds of thousands where offended by the effigy they burnt and no one arrested.. I keep questioning to myself why should they have a freedom I don't have?

why should I fear arrest for an act someone else can commit with impunity!

Originally posted by oozyism
reply to post by blupblup

 

The US has plans to invade every country in this earth, does that mean it will?

Even poor Canada ..

Story wasting my time, I have already discussed these issues, maybe you should try reading from couple of pages back to learn a little more about the context of the comments.

THAT RIGHT THERE IS PROOF, what exactly did you say here? nothing!!!!!!!! notice how you dont respond to me, your just an unreal person my friend, one day you and your mirror should have a serious discussion.
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again "poor Canada" i know your trying to get me going as i made refference to that earlier, but why in such juvenile fashion??? its hard to get insulted when a 6 yr old tells you your dumb.
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reply to post by oozyism


Well consider what might have happened if Britain had not fought Nazi Germany. It was either that or become a close ally of theirs. Ultimately, you would have something to complain about no matter what option we chose.

I really cannot see how we fought WW1 and WW2 for greed and power, since fighting those wars greatly diminished our wealth and power. Had we allied with Nazi Germany, we may have been sitting here today with our glorious, glorious Empire intact. Instead we had to go and do the right thing, bah.

Originally posted by Doujutsu

Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by Doujutsu

 

Have you actually read this thread?
Do you know what Remembrance Day is and why it is important to British people?

All of what you have posted naybe important and warrants discussion but has absolutely no relevance to the subject and is just an attempt by PC do-gooders and apologists to hijack a solemn and respectful occassion.

Do you know how sacred the Quran is to 1.5Bil muslims and how important their love is for their Prophet?

Those things are VERY important to muslims but when made a mockery out off is called 'freedom of speech'.

So if those nutters burn the poppies, isn't it their freedom of speech?

You'll find 90% of those remembering the dead on remembrance day would never burn the Quran. This is not a ceremony of antagonism, quite the opposite.

Dignity, respect, sacrifice and peace.

reply to post by Fractured.Facade


I was going to have an attempted at countering your reply, but I'm afraid that your post is all a bit too cryptic for me to read between the lines.

I'm pretty sure that Britain had a treaty with Poland before the Second World War, where both countries had formally agreed to come to each other's aid in the event of military conflict.

The same way that if a NATO country got invaded nowadays, then all other NATO countries are obliged to defend the country on the receiving end of the invasion.

There can have been no possibility that Britain would have left Poland in the lurch, when there was a written treaty specifying the military responsibilities and agreements between the two countries.

For anyone to imply that Britain's initial involvement in the Second World War was in any way unjustifiable, is ludicrous.

Just as a side note to this discussion. The impact of this one moronic act will do more than just make people like myself into a moronic, anger filled maniacs, but it will also have the knock on effect of the reduction of donations to help out in a disaster in a muslim country like Pakistan during the floods. This country led the world with the amount of money and aid sent.. As usual.. My family personally donated £100 without batting an eyelid but will will begruge it the next time. I have heard the same many times over the weekend. Just for a few wankers who could not respect our traditions.

Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
reply to post by Fractured.Facade

 

I was going to have an attempted at countering your reply, but I'm afraid that your post is all a bit too cryptic for me to read between the lines.

Read all of my posts in this thread in order here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Maybe then the complete message will be more clear to you and perhaps help you form a response if you still wish to.

reply to post by Yissachar1


I 'suspect' another response maybe a bit more 'direct' and may happen sooner than many may imagine.

reply to post by thoughtsfull


Yes you are right, somethings crook in tullurook! When one group are afforded privelidge over
another there will always be unrest, i have noticed a rise in what looks like government organised
protest seemingly to increase tensions between the two prominent religions, this is starting to get
interesting!