Poppy-burning Muslim protesters mar Armistice Day commemorations as millions fall

Originally posted by Freeborn

Nonsense, as alluded to above, imagine a world where The Taliban have their finger on the trigger?

Ever played Fallout 3?

I don't want to hijack this important thread but I think this new thread is a good continuation www.abovetopsecret.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink">When will will see Musilms Demonstrate against the extremists ?

A while back on this thread I mentioned that Tony Blair admitted to bringing in the emigrants to destroy English culture. I was asked for a source. I said I heard it on internet radio.
The update is that I heard someone bring it up today and may have been from whom other broadcasters picked up the story, but not sure.
To get to the point, Allen Watt mentioned it on his show today. He said that it was whoever is the second, or assistant to the Prime Minister that came out with it and it was in mainstream news, and he had read it on the air in a previous show. Anyway his show podcast can be downloaded from his web site, cuttingthroughthematrix.

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Andrew Neather, ex-advisor to Jack Straw, David Blunkett and Tony Blair made the revelations last year.

www.timesonline.co.uk...

Apparently the primary aims of the policy were to marginalise The Conservative Party and to promote the interests of the immigrants with no regard or care at all for the implications or interests of their 'core white working class vote' and neither did the policy appear in any Labour Party manifesto.

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Link's not working for me but thanks for clarifying that.
I had assumed it was general knowledge that there was this disclosure but it could be most people missed it.

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Hope one of these work;
www.timesonline.co.uk...
www.telegraph.co.uk...

I suspect some people simply choose to ignore facts as they don't fit into their pre-conceived viewpoint.

reply to post by Freeborn


Quite..

Even Straw himself came out an admitted to the "social engineering" policy in 2008/2009 (I forget which). It hit the headlines for a day then vanished under the radar. Some people do remember it, but not enough people even noticed it the first time.

Sorry to say it but you guys in America and England let in the Muslims and anyone else that will cause trouble then when things go wrong you all blame the government.

Lucky for me I'm from Northern Ireland so I don't have to worry about the Muslims taking over or anyone else for that matter

Originally posted by Northern82
Sorry to say it but you guys in America and England let in the Muslims and anyone else that will cause trouble then when things go wrong you all blame the government.

Lucky for me I'm from Northern Ireland so I don't have to worry about the Muslims taking over or anyone else for that matter

I didn't let anyone in. If you hadn't noticed our government, and previous governments had more or less ignored the public in almost every aspect of life.

Whether this be through immigration policies, or wars or invasions of our privacy or nanny state type control.

Don't blame the people. Blame Blair and co..

Originally posted by mr-lizard

Originally posted by Northern82
Sorry to say it but you guys in America and England let in the Muslims and anyone else that will cause trouble then when things go wrong you all blame the government.

Lucky for me I'm from Northern Ireland so I don't have to worry about the Muslims taking over or anyone else for that matter

I didn't let anyone in. If you hadn't noticed our government, and previous governments had more or less ignored the public in almost every aspect of life.

Whether this be through immigration policies, or wars or invasions of our privacy or nanny state type control.

Don't blame the people. Blame Blair and co..

What I'm trying to say is that it's up to the public to put these people out. Northern Ireland is part of Britain, and they don't come here because there not welcome they don't bomb here because they know what will happen.

In a way I'm sorry that we fought the IRA to stay British when English people just say it's the governments fault there is nothing we can do about it.

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Northern Ireland was hardly top of the places to emmigrate to when you were bombing the hell out of each other, not exactly the model tolerant society.
Who knows what will happen now?

Islamic countries were pretty much conquered by the British with WWI as an excuse, and I don't even need to talk about what's going on in the middle east now. I can see their point protesting those conflicts.
That being said, I'm not sure about the UK, but in Canada it's implied that Nov 11 mostly commemorates the sacrifices made for freedom during WWII. therefore it's incredibly offensive to use the freedom preserved through that war's efforts to wish death on the soldiers that fought in it.
IMO, a person has every right to say what they wish about a group of soldiers that blew up his uncle's house along with his uncle over questionable government motives and with little observable positive results, but failing to separate them from the millions of people that fought for freedom over a generation ago is sacrilege. It's idiots like this that give Muslims a bad image.

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As lizard said, none of us "let" anyone in. It was a policy by the Labour Government to "socially engineer" the UK, regardless of the populations wishes (which have been quite clear on immigration for some time) so they could boost the electoral power of the Labour party by having millions of client voters reliant on the socialist policies of that Party.

It's the same reason we have a bloated Civil Service. Brown et al doubled the size of the Civil service in a decade, with no actual increase in work or noticeable increase in service from the Government departments (in fact, efficiency went out the window), all to create client voters reliant on the continued spending and social polices of the Labour Government.

Bottom line is, the People of the UK (not England as you quite ignorantly put it) have been ignored on this subject for over a decade by a Government so far up it's own arse, it's spitting itself out.

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Whilst I agree whole heartedly with the content of your last post I think it fair to point out that it is the immigration policies of successive governments that has led us here.

Yes, the Blair / Brown government took the wilful disregard for the wishes and interests of the British people to a whole new level but the policies of Major and Thatcher before them hardly cared much for our concerns either.

And for all of their bluster and spin I very much doubt Cameron and his amoral lapdog Clegg, or any other mainstream politician or party for that matter, will actually stand up and be counted and actually do what is right for Britain and it's people.

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Indeed and I agree. The country had an immigration "problem" before 1997 but it wasn't as pronounced. Labour took it to the next level and opened the doors to any and all.

It is interesting you bring up the unwillingness of Uk politicans to face facts as I have just received and e-mail from Robin Tillbrook, Chairman of the English Democrats party inviting me to a debate in London, which highlights again the total loss of touch our MP's exhibit. Here is a snippet:

The background to this debate is the widening gulf between the nations of the UK and the reluctance of the British Government to discuss these inequalities. You only have to listen to the Coalition Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg when on the 16th November 2010 he stated, at the Hansard Society event, ‘that there is no evidence at all that devolution leads to inequalities.’

“That view is dangerously naive as the dissolution of Unions is a very real concern, we only have to think of Yugoslavia and the present impasse in Belgium to realise the damaging consequences of failure. The blatant inequalities within UK devolution need to be resolved before the people of England become totally irreconcilable to the Union”. Says Eddie Bone, Public Relations Officer, Campaign for an English Parliament

“Without national equality we will see a continuation of the unrest seen on our streets such as that of the students this month. Only English students face the prospect of tuition fees up to £9,000 and crippling debt on graduation wherever they choose to study in the UK unlike their Scottish and Welsh counterparts who pay no fees. Similarly the people of England are threatened with devastating cuts in funding from the British government of up to 25% whilst it is reported that the grants to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are only being reduced by 6.8%, 7.5% and 6.9% respectively. This inequality of cuts in funding occurs whilst there is asset stripping of England”. Says Scilla Cullen, Chairman, Campaign for an English Parliament

“Unlike Scottish Nationalists, the Campaign for an English Parliament is not committed to independence and hence the destruction of the UK but seeks a new 21st Century union in which the nations and peoples of the UK are equally enfranchised”. Says Scilla Cullen, Chairman, Campaign for an English Parliament

“Partnerships can quickly disappear when they have grown apart or have financial disputes. This is what we see now in the UK yet MPs remain distant and aloof to these very real concerns as Nick Clegg’s naïve reply shows”. Says Eddie Bone, Public Relations Officer, Campaign for an English Parliament

“The Campaign for an English Parliament urges all the UK MPs and Peers to address the growing national inequalities. An English Parliament is a solution as it would allow the people of England to feel part of the UK again and not just an ignored and despised piggy bank for the rest of the UK”. Says Scilla Cullen, Chairman, Campaign for an English Parliament

EDIT: In fact, I might even open a thread on the above subject matter if people are interested....

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That being said, I'm not sure about the UK, but in Canada it's implied that Nov 11 mostly commemorates the sacrifices made for freedom during WWII. therefore it's incredibly offensive to use the freedom preserved through that war's efforts to wish death on the soldiers that fought in it.

You know what IS offensive?
American companies dealing with Hitler,
Bank of England sponsoring Hitler,
Catholic Church + Pope not going against Hitler.

Now THAT is EXTREMELY offensive to ALL the people. Freedoms preserved? Please...You talk about the death of soldiers as if they weren't sent to their deaths by the very same people who made the war possible in the first place and people you glorify(Churchill and the likes).

Though, you can be silent for a minute once every year and pretend that's how you honor the freedoms preserved, which isn't really the case anymore is it, as those freedoms are being stripped from the population as we speak.

Really? A minute or two silence? Have you people matured yet? Veterans are treated worse than stray animals so I guess two minutes out of over half a million a year really shows you care! Please...grow up.

Originally posted by Zamini
You know what IS offensive?
American companies dealing with Hitler,

Don't dispute that, in fact I could go into great detail about that...

Originally posted by Zamini
Bank of England sponsoring Hitler,

I will, however, dispute this. Care to provide any sources?

Originally posted by Zamini
Catholic Church + Pope not going against Hitler.

So? The Catholic Church is a twisted, nasty piece of work. I'm not Catholic or even Christian, so couldn't give a flying monkey fudge whether they supported him or not. Siemens supported him, Mercedes supported him, the German people supported him, but does that mean we should hate on them now? What is your point, exactly?

Originally posted by Zamini
Now THAT is EXTREMELY offensive to ALL the people. Freedoms preserved? Please...You talk about the death of soldiers as if they weren't sent to their deaths by the very same people who made the war possible in the first place and people you glorify(Churchill and the likes).

What? Churchill never made any move to support Hitler. He was, however, very keen on getting a war started much earlier than 1939 because he knew what would happen if Germany was allowed to build up it's air force and Army.. Please, if you're going to start an argument about WW2, you'd better be prepared to back up what you're saying as I am very well read on the entire era.

Yes, our freedoms were preserved. Chances are, many people in Europe wouldn't even be alive now if Hitler and the NAzi's weren't stopped. There certainly would be no asians, blacks or other ethnic groups. There would be systemic oppression continent wide, a huge police state and executions for things we take for granted now.

Don't be such an ignorant fool. Just because it might not jive with whatever perception of history you have, "the NWO", the causes for War or whatever else you've read on the internet, that doesn't mean ANY of what you think is true.

Originally posted by Zamini
Though, you can be silent for a minute once every year and pretend that's how you honor the freedoms preserved, which isn't really the case anymore is it, as those freedoms are being stripped from the population as we speak.

It's bloody annoying that people have trouble with such an extraordinarily simple concept.

It isn't honouring freedoms or a War, it isn't celebrating military dominance over cesspit countries around the world, it's simply about remembering the dead.

End of.

Nothing more, nothing less. Just remembering those who died.

Originally posted by Zamini
Really? A minute or two silence? Have you people matured yet?

How long would you like? A week silence? A month? Two minutes will suffice at a desginated time for people just to reflect on those who lost their lives. I think the question is, have you matured? Your imbicilic comments say otherwise...

Originally posted by Zamini
Veterans are treated worse than stray animals so I guess two minutes out of over half a million a year really shows you care! Please...grow up.

Maybe in the US, but not the UK. They get looked after very well.

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It isn't honouring freedoms or a War, it isn't celebrating military dominance over cesspit countries around the world, it's simply about remembering the dead.

End of.

Nothing more, nothing less. Just remembering those who died.

Then you wouldn't find it hard to name, off the top of your head, 100...or...50 of the so many millions that died.

Pfff, first it's celebrating the preservation of freedom, then it's remembering the dead(hello, these aren't the middle ages anymore, celebrate LIFE instead of DEATH and you might understand that you are being tricked).

You can't even see the hypocracy and you say "end of" like you made a rock solid statement. WHERE IS YOUR CARE FOR VETERANS? Nowhere. So shut it, you don't care for a single one of those people dying you just want to belong to a group. Hang around more ignorant people like yourself, be quiet in the pub for a minute, then drink, start a fight then drive home drunk. You don't even take yourself serious otherwise you would reflect on what you say and you would see the hypocracy in your words.

The rest of your post is bullcrap, go read history. (tip: not having a superiority complex will help you understand history)

Originally posted by Zamini
Then you wouldn't find it hard to name, off the top of your head, 100...or...50 of the so many millions that died.

Why should I, that's not the point? Never the less, several of my family members died in WW1 and my own grandfather was seriously wounded on D-Day.

Originally posted by Zamini
Pfff, first it's celebrating the preservation of freedom, then it's remembering the dead(hello, these aren't the middle ages anymore, celebrate LIFE instead of DEATH and you might understand that you are being tricked).

Who said anything about celebrating death? You still don't get it, do you? I take it you don't go to funerals or memorial services then? It's about remembering the sacrifices people have made, the lives lost and, in a naive way, hoping the same never happens again.

Originally posted by Zamini
You can't even see the hypocracy and you say "end of" like you made a rock solid statement. WHERE IS YOUR CARE FOR VETERANS?

First of all, you NOTHING about me, yet make these sweeping statements as fact. How the flying French Connection do you know what I do? Every generation of my family going back to the mid 1800's has served, some have lost too. My own father was in the Army, as was his 2 brothers, the other being in the RAF. My own brother was in the Navy and I would have done the same had it not been for a Rugby injury. I support Charities that help veterans too.

Originally posted by Zamini
Nowhere. So shut it, you don't care for a single one of those people dying you just want to belong to a group.

Again with the sweeping statements about me when you know NOTHING! Quit being a horrible, little troll. I'm not "dying to belong" to anything.

Originally posted by Zamini
Hang around more ignorant people like yourself, be quiet in the pub for a minute, then drink, start a fight then drive home drunk.

I rarely go to the pub, haven't got drunk in years and haven't been in a fight since some silly drunk sod atacked me when I was doing some shopping about 8 years ago. Needless to say, he got his arse handed to him. What is your point, aside from making extremley personal attacks? Although, if you spoke to me in person the way you are doing now, I think you'd have the honour of being the first arse I have kicked in a good while. Then again, I supect if the siutation did present itself, you;d probably soil your pants or need some mates to come and help you. What a horrible little person you are.

Originally posted by Zamini
You don't even take yourself serious otherwise you would reflect on what you say and you would see the hypocracy in your words.

How so? Explain.

Originally posted by Zamini
The rest of your post is bullcrap, go read history. (tip: not having a superiority complex will help you understand history)

Go on, prove me wrong sunshine. (Tip: Not being total sexual reproductive appendage will help you get on in life)

You were the one with the claims Churchill and the BoE supported Hitler. Prove it. Every other historical source actually contradicts your claims. Churchill was denouncing Hitler at the cost of his own reputation in the mid to late 1930's! People called him a war-monger for warning of the dangers the Third Reich posed. It isn't a superiority complex, it is me obviously knowing a feck site more than you do.

Originally posted by Zamini

Then you wouldn't find it hard to name, off the top of your head, 100...or...50 of the so many millions that died.

Nope, not at all.

Pfff, first it's celebrating the preservation of freedom

No it isn't.

then it's remembering the dead(hello, these aren't the middle ages anymore, celebrate LIFE instead of DEATH and you might understand that you are being tricked).

It isn't a celebration.

WHERE IS YOUR CARE FOR VETERANS? Nowhere.

No? You're not looking very hard, this thread would be a good place to start.

So shut it, you don't care for a single one of those people dying you just want to belong to a group. Hang around more ignorant people like yourself, be quiet in the pub for a minute, then drink, start a fight then drive home drunk. You don't even take yourself serious otherwise you would reflect on what you say and you would see the hypocracy in your words.

ANGRY.

The rest of your post is bullcrap, go read history.

I'm going to steal that one. Whenever I am unable to formulate a decent argument I will simply rant hard and finish off with "go read history".