Mysterious Missile Launch Over California - 11/8/2010

I am thinking. A person who regularly takes photos from a helicopter would I think see a lot of stuff up there all of the time. I have a hard time believing they would think this was something other then a jet without reason and being there and seeing yourself is really always quit different from what pictures can show. I have a hard time thinking they would falsely clam it was something on purpose and make themselves a target for looking stupid.

reply to post by Char-Lee


ratings and website hits....?


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reply to post by Arbitrageur


For a contrail 160 miles away, it is extremely large and dense.
Compare that with all the other contrail videos and pictures posted on the last 176 pages.
And if it is condensation as is claimed, well the clouds are also condensation.
This tiny flying object is producing huge amounts of condensation, which is so dense it can be seen through the clouds,
The clouds appear to be cirro or alto stratus, indicating a stable atmosphere high up.

I have seen contrails all over California, Canada, the East Coast USA, Europe and Asia.
Don't attack the messenger, that is the ploy of last resort of someone losing an argument.
The problem is that the "planers" are unable to answer genuine questions and those questions are not going away.
Is it flight 808, 902 or a missile?
I suggest that the answer is out there, but it is not posted here on ATS yet.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
It's not really that hard to understand.

You are wrong Just looking at the replies in this thread it is obviously very hard to understand.

But it is proof of one thing.... as a resource for seeking truth... seems ATS fails miserably, because if people have this much trouble separating a jet from a missile... how will we ever find a real UFO or get at the truth behind 9/11?

:shk:

Originally posted by Sailor Sam
Is it flight 808, 902 or a missile?
I suggest that the answer is out there, but it is not posted here on ATS yet.

AH So you are stating that it is neither a plane OR a missile

So what do YOU think it is?

reply to post by zorgon

because if people have this much trouble separating a jet from a missile...

I have yet to see where someone has posted proof that is either.

What is that makes you sure that is one or the other?

I am asking a serious question.

reply to post by Phage

US808 was over Catalina 30 minutes before UPS902.

where did you see there remnants of whatever another contrail? wh(ere & en) was you ever seeing contrails to stay so long time?

Originally posted by Sailor Sam
I have seen contrails all over California, Canada, the East Coast USA, Europe and Asia.

It's not a typical contrail.

Now you've seen one more that looks a little different than what you've seen before.

Originally posted by Arbitrageur

Originally posted by Sailor Sam
I have seen contrails all over California, Canada, the East Coast USA, Europe and Asia.

It's not a typical contrail.

Now you've seen one more that looks a little different than what you've seen before.

Before you say it's a contrail I think you should show evidence of a plane..
That sounds reasonable yes?

reply to post by backinblack

really, i'm hella amusing how plane theorists have downplayed the fact of glowing point

reply to post by SarK0Y

Like this "glowing point"?


More examples:


(courtesy of ATS member depthofield)

Originally posted by butcherguy
What is that makes you sure that is one or the other?
I am asking a serious question.

Well I have answered that several times...

But..

1) the later images that show the plane flying but there is now no contrail. Doesn't matter which flight... that is why the FAA didn't jump on the gun and say which one, because there was a margin of error and people jump on that error and ignore the real evidence. A missile trail can only stop when the missile stops firing its engine. If it did that it would FALL yet in the ABC images it clearly continues without a trail.

2) NORAD tracks every piece of space debris over 1 inch in size.. I have that tracking on my website. Are people really ready to believe that we are so incompetent that ANYONE could launch a missile 35 miles off LA and we wouldn't know it? We would be at Defcon 1 right now, but there was not even a flicker of extra alert... when we are already in a state of heightened awareness

3) I know what an airplane contrail looks like at sunset. I know what a missile smoke trail looks like at sunset. I know that when you see something at a high altitude at the horizon it looks bigger, like the Moon when it is rising... and yes the camera shows that as well. I know the difference between a missile going up and an airplane appearing to go up as it is coming towards the viewer

4) Save for that brief flash as the plane caught some sunlight briefly, where is the BRIGHT missile flame that burns constantly in any missile launch? The end near the object is DARK and missiles have bright long flames behind them and WHITE exhaust which gets extremely bright as the missile climbs into the sunlight above Earth.

Hope that helps

couple other points
1) this same type of incidence happens a lot MSM has always covered it with a spectacular headline and officials always answer with "we don't know" and then wild speculations by even those who should no better. And yet in all those cases, not once has it led to a counter strike (fortunately )

2) The news network that started THIS mess had really bad ratings. Now they even stated on their last report that their website has had the most hits ever. This is a very sad state and journalist should be ashamed and held accountable in my view.

3) The fact that the mass population is so undecided over this tells me two things... the media and officials are so out of touch with reality they have stopped considering the results of what they say and that education in America SUCKS. We are at the brink of war with Iran or Korea or who know who else and this is the kind of show we get from MSM and the Pentagon?

THAT should be the real conspiracy

Originally posted by butcherguy
I have yet to see where someone has posted proof that is either.

What is that makes you sure that is one or the other?

I am asking a serious question.

The Pentagon didn't claim there's proof.

www.nbcsandiego.com...

On Wednesday, Pentagon officials told NBC that it's "satisfied" that the contrail was not caused by a missile but "likely caused by an aircraft."

"We have no evidence to suggest this was anything other than a contrail from an aircraft," said Pentagon spokesman Col. David LaPan.

The word proof isn't in that statement anywhere.

That's about sums up the situation.

The conclusion is based on a lack of any detected missile activity and the fact that it's more consistent with a contrail appearance wise, than a missile launch.

That statement is from last Wednesday, if they've issued anything about proof since, I have yet to see it.

Originally posted by Phage
Like this "glowing point"?

What took you so long?

Originally posted by Arbitrageur

On Wednesday, Pentagon officials told NBC that it's "satisfied" that the contrail was not caused by a missile but "likely caused by an aircraft."

"We have no evidence to suggest this was anything other than a contrail from an aircraft," said Pentagon spokesman Col. David LaPan.

The word proof isn't in that statement anywhere.

That's about sums up the situation.

Yup

And I am really not sure what more anyone expects them to say? It's not like they have anything important to do in the world right now than to chase down contrails. Since they didn't actually see it and only have the same video to go on as we do, what else can they say?

And flight number is irrelevant really until the 'no planers' can show how ANY missile can do what the 'mystery missile' did

And a 'new kind of missile' Now THAT one has to take the cake

reply to post by zorgon

2) NORAD tracks every piece of space debris over 1 inch in size.. I have that tracking on my website. Are people really ready to believe that we are so incompetent that ANYONE could launch a missile 35 miles off LA and we wouldn't know it? We would be at Defcon 1 right now, but there was not even a flicker of extra alert... when we are already in a state of heightened awareness

This does not provide proof of airplane or missile. If anything, it provides proof that you believe that the military has no secrets from you.

Originally posted by butcherguy
This does not provide proof of airplane or missile. If anything, it provides proof that you believe that the military has no secrets from you.

Obviously the military has secrets from us.

But in an effort to avoid accidentally starting WWIII, the major powers capable of launching ICBMs like to make public notices about missile launches in advance.

The US can detect a missile launch anywhere in the world within 10 seconds and I suspect the Russians have a similar capability.

So yes, there are secrets.

I don't expect missile launches to be one of them, it's too easy to start WWIII if those are kept secret.

reply to post by Phage

+ two holy contrails btw, i too kinda wanna to see original source of photos, posted by you because i didn't get source of light

reply to post by zorgon

1) the later images that show the plane flying but there is now no contrail. Doesn't matter which flight...

There were images purporting to show flashing beacons too.

reply to post by SarK0Y

The source of light is called "the Sun".