Sex Offenders Have Nowhere to Live

reply to post by chiponbothshoulders

They came first for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up.

When your son sleeps with a 17 year old girl and is labelled a sex offender, will sex offenders still be denied rehabilitation practices? Put him to death?

I guess it's different when it's someone else's son.

We don't care unless..... until it's all about us.

Brainwashed, arrogant society.

reply to post by Brood
I am in agreement with you.
Another good one for ya to digest....

He who cannot reason is a fool.
He who will not reason is a bigot.
He who dares not reason is a slave.

I think the civil war destroyed america,people have been too ignorant for too long to see it.

Originally posted by LadySkadi
reply to post by dbloch7986

 

Point 1: It's quite a bit different than Religious dogma and the stereotypes that surround the Muslim vs the West ideology.

Point 2: Your constant assertion that those who choose to make specific points are being "shallow" over and over and over again are painting you out to be "closed minded" and unwilling to accept that others do not hold a similar view as you...

Point 3: As long as a comment is on topic, you do not have the ability to censor it. It is what it is...

Point 1: The indescretionary hatred expressed towards anyone labeled a "sex offender" and anyone who practices the Islamic religion by the various members of society both culminate in the desire to set out on a witch hunt against both. The reactions are similar. If you don't understand what I am trying to express then I cannot clarify it more.

Point 2: What I am calling shallow is the desire of people to think only of themselves and not consider the society as a whole. This thread is meant to be about the society as a whole, prisoners and sex offenders included. Like it or not those people are part of our existence and the desire to eliminate all of them is irrational. Mostly because sex offenders that are convicted are not nearly as dangerous as those who haven't been caught yet. By the time they are caught they have already committed the crime and murdering or executing them is pointless and won't save anyone. Simply putting a response to kill them is shallow and doesn't delve into the issue anymore. It is an end-all arguement intended to do nothing more than shut down a conversation. It leaves no room for discussion and is therefore also shallow in addition to the failure of people to consider anything more than themselves, their immediate family and the environment around them. Shallowness is an essential problem with the world today. It has nothing to do with whether or not their viewpoint agrees with mine.

Point 3: I have made no attempt, nor am I able to censor anyone's comment or point of view. Why you bothered to say this, I don't know.

Originally posted by cybertroy
Actually, some people change on their own. A dedicated decision is sometimes all it takes.

Technology does exist to change people, but I know better than to bring it up here, this being a conspiracy forum and all. I don't want to drag the organization through the mud. Some topics don't go well here. I know solutions are out there, put it that way. Moving on.

Back to my first point of people changing on their own. Dad did it with Alcoholism and smoking. He quit both cold turkey, and never went back. And this was a man who was in the bar daily. He was at deaths door with alcoholism. You have to be able to make that decision, hold onto it, and make it a reality.

Troy

I agree.

People can change.

reply to post by Sherlock Holmes


As I have said, many, many, many, many, many times throughout this thread:

The people I am afraid of are NOT the ones who have been caught; it is the ones who have NOT been caught.

Preventing harm from coming to anyone--man, woman or child--is impossible. It is inevitable. But is indefinitely incarcerating someone, where all their necesities of life are fully paid for by YOU really the solution? You really agree with paying for these people to have a bed, roof over their head, three square meals, a gym, television and running water for the rest of their lives with not a dime paid out of their pocket? That sounds like a reward to me.

Originally posted by TKDRL
Another angle to remember, is you can get labeled a sex offender without actually harming anyone. Get caught with pictures or videos and you are treated the same as someone who raped another person. A virus could potentially download pictures and videos onto your computer, and alert authorities, and you would be given the same label as a rapist.

Exactly.

This is another problem that goes hand in hand with "sex offenses".

Originally posted by Kailassa

Originally posted by dbloch7986
reply to post by LadySkadi

 

No its no different than the hatred of muslims.
You're being shallow and failing to read into what the original post I was replying to said.
Child rapists are viewed worse than murders. Yet how is taking a life less bad than raping someone? I would rather be raped than killed any day on a personal level. It is witch hunting. Lets find someone to hate and hate them worse than anyone else out there. Lets hate muslims and sexual deviants worse than serial killers and child sweat shops. Lets focus our efforts and spend our money on detaining sexual deviants over feeding all the starving people on the planet.

Linking Muslims with convicted paedophiles must be the sickest, most cowardly defense ever.

What part of "raping a child leaves the child damaged for LIFE," don't you understand?

Murderers sometimes have an excuse, such as long term abuse from the victim.
There is no excuse for a sane adult to rape a child, ever.

You didn't read it. I said HATRED OF MUSLIMS. I did not say sex offender = muslims. Read it again, and again if you have to.

Try reading the article and the thread instead of reacting to the title.

This is an example of shallowness.

reply to post by badgerprints


Not all sex offenders molest or rape children.

Please READ the thread before commenting.

reply to post by chiponbothshoulders


I agree with you. Redemption should be available to those who seek it.

Right now it is not.

That is one of the essential problems with society today.

Originally posted by dbloch7986

Originally posted by Kailassa

Originally posted by dbloch7986
reply to post by LadySkadi

 

No its no different than the hatred of muslims.
You're being shallow and failing to read into what the original post I was replying to said.
Child rapists are viewed worse than murders. Yet how is taking a life less bad than raping someone? I would rather be raped than killed any day on a personal level. It is witch hunting. Lets find someone to hate and hate them worse than anyone else out there. Lets hate muslims and sexual deviants worse than serial killers and child sweat shops. Lets focus our efforts and spend our money on detaining sexual deviants over feeding all the starving people on the planet.

Linking Muslims with convicted paedophiles must be the sickest, most cowardly defense ever.

What part of "raping a child leaves the child damaged for LIFE," don't you understand?

Murderers sometimes have an excuse, such as long term abuse from the victim.
There is no excuse for a sane adult to rape a child, ever.

You didn't read it. I said HATRED OF MUSLIMS. I did not say sex offender = muslims. Read it again, and again if you have to.
Try reading the article and the thread instead of reacting to the title.
This is an example of shallowness.

You said hatred of child rapists is no different to hatred of Muslims.

Logically, that means muslims = child rapists.

Apparently you are too shallow to understand the logic of your own words . . . or are you just too cowardly to admit to what you've said?

You are putting a great deal of energy into protecting child-rapists and obfuscating issues.
I certainly would not want my children living near you or your pals.

reply to post by Brood


Dude - when did I EVER write that sex offenders/child molesters/pedophiles should be killed? Do not misrepresent my statements to make your point, unless that's all you can do, in which case your point should be re-evaluated.

Originally posted by dbloch7986

Point 3: I have made no attempt, nor am I able to censor anyone's comment or point of view. Why you bothered to say this, I don't know.

I was referring to this post.

As for point 1 - was almost able to agree with you, but than point 2 changed my mind. Going to have to agree to disagree, I believe that known sex offenders/child molesters/pedophiles are just as dangerous as unknown. The likelihood of rehabilitation is extremely low over the long term and that has been documented time and again. Note: I am NOT referring to the 18yo having sex with the 16yo, so no need to offer that alternative argument.

Originally posted by dbloch7986
reply to post by badgerprints

 

Not all sex offenders molest or rape children.

Please READ the thread before commenting.

In no way have I insinuated or claimed that ALL sex offenders molest or rape children. Many of them do the same and worse to other adults along with a litany of other reprehensible acts.

As far as reading the thread, I read quite well and spend more time reading threads than writing them or posting in them thank you very much.

You might want to re-read your own posts and make sure they are not taking statements out of context and attempted misdirection such as you tried here.

Your attempt at a dismissal shows you have no real response but still weren't able to leave it alone.

reply to post by dbloch7986


You seem to come from a perspective that people are shaped by the society they live in, and they do not have free will or the personal power of choice.

It is not up to society to change, to allow sex offenders to get better and have more opportunities, at housing employment and the like.

It is the personal responsibility of the sex offender to align their behavior, via the free will and personal power of choice to societies rules and mandates.

Naturalists will often look outside the individual to find the errors leading to maladaption and want society to change to "help" these people succeed.
It flies in the face of history in every society on earth, there are those who choose to violate societies rules, and they look outside themselves to blame someone or something for their poor personal choice.

It is called, in criminal thinking vernacular, VICTIMSTANCE. GOOGLE THAT TERM.

Originally posted by dbloch7986
As I have said, many, many, many, many, many times throughout this thread:

The people I am afraid of are NOT the ones who have been caught; it is the ones who have NOT been caught.

Preventing harm from coming to anyone--man, woman or child--is impossible. It is inevitable.

Yes, you cannot stop someone from committing an offence for the first time. That is unpreventable, unless we want to go down the road of ''pre-crime'' - which I'm sure most of us don't.

However, recidivism does happen. So, you can certainly reduce the risk of someone coming to harm, by not releasing any serious and violent criminals.

There's nothing to gain from releasing a convicted child molester, but a lot to lose.

Originally posted by dbloch7986
But is indefinitely incarcerating someone, where all their necesities of life are fully paid for by YOU really the solution? You really agree with paying for these people to have a bed, roof over their head, three square meals, a gym, television and running water for the rest of their lives with not a dime paid out of their pocket? That sounds like a reward to me.

I don't mind paying towards that.

Money is fine, but living in a better society is preferable, regardless of whether it costs you a little bit in tax.

It's not really a reward, because they have lost their freedom.

It's not nice that someone has to lose their liberty indefinitely, but it's for the benefit of society as a whole, and nobody forced the offender to commit the crime in the first place. It was their own choice, and they were aware of the consequences.

reply to post by dbloch7986


Five men, a pair of CEE TEE slip joint pliers and a sharp pocket knife, and a quiet country road is a cost effective, certain, foolproof, quick solution to the problem.

Five men losd sex offender into car. Drive to quiet country road, remove sex offender from car, four men each hold a leg or arm, fifth man removes blue jeans, and underwear of sex offender.

Fifth man dons a pair of surgical gloves, grabs scrotum with slip joint pliers, pulls snugly downward, being careful to not injure of cause pain to sex offender.

Fifth man cuts bottom of scrotum off, and reaches up to force sex offender testicles out of hole in bottom of scrotum, with sharp, repeat sharp pocket knife, surgically removes sex offender's testicles and tosses into ditch.

Five men get into car and drive away from, not so quiet, country road.

Sex offender now can live in peice (less), anywhere in USA.

Rest of society stop worrying.

Rest of sex offenders with testicles given incentive to think with BIG head now instead of LITTLE one.

Everybody that matters is happy and sleeps better.

Puts helmet on and waits for liberals to have psuedo massacre, based on feelings and emotions.

Liberals will be thinking with emotion center which is halfway between LITTLE head and BIG head.

As I have said, many, many, many, many, many times throughout this thread

Yes, the exaggerated "many, many, many, many, many, is just a reflection of the exaggerated and overinflated sense of self importance about your own comments.

Originally posted by dbloch7986
But is indefinitely incarcerating someone, where all their necesities of life are fully paid for by YOU really the solution? You really agree with paying for these people to have a bed, roof over their head, three square meals, a gym, television and running water for the rest of their lives with not a dime paid out of their pocket? That sounds like a reward to me.

I don't mind paying towards that.


The "consequences" of crime, since liberal, bleeding hearts, have shamed others into buying into VICTIMSTANCE, is that the consequence is so much more of a reward than not.

I mind paying and my proposal of five men, pair of pliers, sharp knife only
costs the gasoline involved, which when you split it five ways is pocket change these days.

reply to post by Kailassa


According to your apparent restricted understanding of the English language it may seem to you that child rapists = muslims.

However talking about the fad of hatred toward individuals and comparing it to another fad of hatred toward another group of individuals does not imply that the two groups are the same.

You obviously fail to understand the point of my post and fail to understand the topic at all.

reply to post by LadySkadi


I still don't understand why you would point out that I cannot censor anyone when clearly I cannot censor anyone. I am not censoring anyone. I can choose to ignore someone or refuse to accept a communication or rebut against someone, but none of those involve censoring anyone. You just stated the obvious, so I didn't see what kind of point you were trying to make there.

You're talking specifically about child rapists. I understand your repulsion towards them and I must admit I would feel repulsed as well if I met someone who was one. However the focus of society's resources on locking these people up and feeding them and clothing them and bathing them and giving them running water and cable TV and a play yard and gym makes no sense. Locking them up and throwing away the key, even if they are secluded from the general population is essentially a reward. "Hey you raped a kid, lets give you everything you need to live for the rest of your life." I think it would be much more effective to force them to make their own way in society, labeled for what they are. However the path needs to be provided for them to assimilate back into society (i.e. so they can get a job and a place to live). Otherwise you're just leaving them homeless and they're just going to try and go back to prison because they don't care anymore. Society should observe them much more closely and be aware of who they are the the crimes the have committed. I feel if they are forced to make a living on their own and everyone is aware of what they are they will be too busy trying to make a living to try and commit a crime again. Plus you give them something to lose should they get locked up again.

I hope you see my line of thought.

What I am trying to do is set aside the automatice prejudice and take a look at it from a strictly logical standpoint rather than approach the issue with the emotions that are automatically generated when you think "sex offender".

Originally posted by badgerprints

Originally posted by dbloch7986
I also think sex offender laws are far to strict and that we are on our way to burning at the stake anyone who bathes their child or changes his diaper. Or even takes a picture of their kid in the bath.

Boy is that a stretch.

If we don't make life easier for sex offenders then parents will be convicted?

Nope. I don't buy it. Using someone who has kids as an excuse to protect someone who has sex with kids is not even close to being a logical argument.

Make life as hard as you can on someone who wants to have sex with or molest children. Maybe it will give the potential offenders a reason to think twice.

As far as a judge legislating from the bench in the name of fairness...that's a big steaming pile of activism. Fairness is a lie. The laws aren't made for fairness. They are ultimately made to protect the criminals.

Used to be, murderers, rapists and child molesters were simply put down. Now the law protects them from being put down by the rest of the public but doesn't protect the public from the criminals.

How is that a stretch?

They Called Me A Child Pornographer

Laws are not fair and neither is the legal system. I agree.

Maybe if you make life hard on those people they will have no reason NOT to commit the crime again should they get the chance.

The law we are talking about here are sex offenders not being able to find a home. Very generic. If you want to talk specifically about child rapists, what would you recommend as an acceptable solution? If they are homeless and have nothing to lose why would they NOT commit the crime again? What would they have to lose? They go to prison and they get everything they need to live for the rest of their life. If you prescribe automatic death penalty for child rapists they same would have to be applied to murders and rapists alike, unless anyone were to think that rape is worse than murder, which I will wholeheartedly disagree with.

If you prescribe automatic death penalty or life imprisonment, what would stop rapists from becoming murderers too?

Satisfactory response?