Some Say Moon Photos Show Signs of Alien Life (ATS video used in article! 11/1/10)

Originally posted by zorgon
A "successful debunker"?

Originally posted by The Shrike
Your OP is a waste of bandwidth because there have been a ton of similar threads all amount to nothing.

And yet... you feel the need to consume even more bandwidth with your opinions.. which seem to not amount to much either. I wouldn't worry about the band width. The number and variety of threads at ATS draw viewers of all types and that helps pay the bills and salaries

So you are implying that when an ATS member such as myself sees a thread that is worthless because in my opinion it doesn't contribute anything I should not speak up and express my opinion because it might clash with yours? Enlighten me.

Look for the thread recently started that criticizes the lack of threads dealing with lunar anomalies now that we have higher resolution Kayuga and other missions photos that clearly show nothing as far as said anomalies/structures.

Actually I have found and posted several anomalies in LRO images and Japans HDTV looks like plastic sculpters

but the reason there are so few thread about it is because all those who took the time to look and present those threads are no longer here... which I suppose is a victory to the skeptic fringe

I don't remember seeing anything on anomalies that could pass muster or I would have joined in with the excitement of seeing something worthwhile for the first time. Alas, it escaped me but if you don't mind, please post the link so that I can take a look.

So hope you enjoy all the wasted bandwidth used arguing about whether the latest hoax youtube UFO is a balloon, a lantern or CGI

You obviously have not seen my negative comments about the wasted bandwidth on videos from youtube.

That's why using references such as Mike Singh, Richard Hoagland, et al, are meaningless.

Only to "successful debunkers"

But then ATS was not created by or for debunkers. There was a time when it was a cool place to discuss alternative thinking, whether wrong or right.

Your laugh emanates from ignorance for I am a successful debunker starting with authors Fred Steckling, Richard Hoagland, and other successes under my belt.

Well debunk away

but I just bet your not the life of the party

You put it up and I'll debunk it!

Usually, when I arrive at a party, any party I become the life of the party! Well, usually when accompanied by my wife.

That Luna Cognita video (from youtube!) is as old as the hills and he did a nice job in stabilizing it. But I recorded it off TV back in the '90s when Canadian-Israeli UFO investigator Barry Chamish introduced it. It didn't show anything then worth taking to the bank and now the enhanced version proves it. Actually, a worthless video.

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Hey Shrike,

You should post some of your lunar anomalies (or features which you find odd).

In exchange, I will post this wonderful collage of some of the anomalies found (some recently) by Zorgon's crew and other Pegasus associates:

Okay, let's see your favourite tricks of light and shadow now.

I don't know why people can't just accept there are Alien Beings and AFO's. Not only are they within our Moon they are within Mars etc.and the Moons also.

Their are many right on and within this Planet you just don't reconize it.

But hey what can I say other then what they say....... the Human Race is a stupid Species and evolving to slowly.

In plain English there are Aliens and Alien ships with everything it is all in the open which you should know is the best place to hide it.

People just amaze me.

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Amazing Zorgon!!!!!!!!

Borderline breath taking,,,,lol

One can easily(not me) can make diddly suff out nothing like a pile of rocks or looking at corn flake crumbs and see the virgin Mary...

But there are the phographs that clearly show like "hey",,,that is weird???!!!!!!

Whats the point if ones a sceptic/debunker of even bothering to look at the photos??,,,All they are satisfide in seeing is an empty desert with sand or a bolder rock/horizon,landscape,,type scenery thats baron or empty,,

Mars had sea's and great rivers,the moon may as well,,,when a planet looses it atmosphere or a 360 of whatever happens everything is destoyed and residues left,,,but there I belive was something up there....with the pohos I have seen,,,

And in to means to I say every planet/moon had life at one time,,,smile,,,

But lets say if we found another earth like planet,,,we new it had vegetation,,animal life,,,Id send probes to the moon around it and even send its to a neighbor Mars,,,who knows,,,those 2 bodies coulda created the life on Earth???

They know the moon on Jupiter is a small frozen moon maybe with a ocean underneath,,


sorry to get wayyyyyyyy off topic,but I think there were or was something up there,,we cant even find the true orgins of ourselves??(big bang theory in itself)

I better go,,,my stomach is turning lion like,,,
Going to have a 7-up with ice and prep my dinner,,,I made tuna salad,,,its pretty easy to do and make a sandwhich which is roast beef from the deli but I heat it up with a slice of cheeze,,i use french bread,,,

Great thread!

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Smile,,,


Love it and your reply..
I know its frowned up on saying one liners on replies,,,but being apraised for the style and the reply is 2 things,,,,,smile,,,

The skeptics should throw out all photos together???,,,
Whats the point??
10 years ago,,, you would say maybe(BIG MAYBE) microbes existed on Mars,,,??(lucky if that even ),,,

Moons,planets,,,change their look and shape over time,,,,our planet with life,,, has only been here a speck of time,,,,if you think about it,,,it happened ##$@@@ fast,,,,like probly in a million years life sprouts like a weed,,,,,


The moon could of had life,,,million years ago

i dont know and cant explain,,but I know these photos we see is amazing.!

I sugust the skeptics contact NASA and request aflyover again but NASA and the skeptic are happy with a desert photo that shows sand or nothing,,,,

Put up is I say back!!!!!


we got this stuff locked on radar,photos,,,people who witness this who are DAM DAM credible

The moon of a planet is the first step,,,,,,,for one who investgates,,,,


Graet thread and great reply,,,

Originally posted by Little_Kona
They know the moon on Jupiter is a small frozen moon maybe with a ocean underneath,

Yes NASA is testing a robot in Antarctica for a mission to Europa to drill under the ice and see if there is anything crawling around down there.

Originally posted by The Shrike
Your laugh emanates from ignorance for I am a successful debunker starting with authors Fred Steckling, Richard Hoagland, and other successes under my belt.

Hmmm really? I never heard of you... but Hoagland is still going strong and selling books. I just bought a copy of "Dark Mission' A bit pricey but I like books

So not sure how you measure 'success'

Originally posted by Exuberant1
reply to post by The Shrike

 

Hey Shrike,

You should post some of your lunar anomalies (or features which you find odd).

In exchange, I will post this wonderful collage of some of the anomalies found (some recently) by Zorgon's crew and other Pegasus associates:
(snip)
Okay, let's see your favourite tricks of light and shadow now.

edit on 5-11-2010 by Exuberant1 because: (no reason given)

Your Exuberant1ness, I have posted a few of the images that in my opinion showed anomalies but not necessarily associated with aliens. One was a giant "sickle" and another was what looked like "symbols" resting on the base of the center peak in a crater. That was possibly last year and so the photos are no longer with the thread. The one with the symbol had a lot contributions from others showing higher resolution photos provided by Kayuga and the replies were quite animated. I also posted what I thought was lunar UFO entrance but the resolution of the photo did not allow a conclusion to be reached.

The set you provided contains interesting images but because there's not enough detail to also come to a definite conclusion all one can say is "Interesting" but no cigar. However, I'm sure that the curious will continue to look at every lunar inch and I'll keep rooting for them to find what isn't there.

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by The Shrike
Your laugh emanates from ignorance for I am a successful debunker starting with authors Fred Steckling, Richard Hoagland, and other successes under my belt.

Hmmm really? I never heard of you... but Hoagland is still going strong and selling books. I just bought a copy of "Dark Mission' A bit pricey but I like books

So not sure how you measure 'success'

edit on 5-11-2010 by zorgon because: Classified

I have posted here under other names, one being SkepticalEd. But names mean nothing and if you never saw my threads, your loss. Hoagland is still selling books and other items authored by him and with superjerk Mike Bara. I caught an error in "DARK MISSION" and Jim Oberg was one of my supporters as well as many positive replies. Popular subject authors always continue strong and sell good because their audiences are the gullible believers who don't have a researching bone in their body.

I showed here, last year I think, how Hoagland likes to publish photos with question claims such as the lunar photo he put on his website upside down so that the falling lunar debris looked like towers! The gullible love to be fooled or people such as Hoagland, Bara, Lear, etc., would have to find other ways 'cause it's in their blood.

I measure success by having the debunked admit that I bested them. As I said, I did it with Steckling and I posted his letter to me here admitting I was right. In L.A. I was the subject of a newspaper article after I was physically ejected from a UFO lecture for questioning the speaker, a known personality. I stopped a scammer, Virgil "Posty" Armstrong, from continuing a promised "UFO watch" where he claimed he was going to hold a telepathic communication with aliens/alien crafts in Lake Castaic and I notified the head Ranger who made sure that the event did not take place on the location which Posty did not have permission to use. He was forced to change locations and he used the excuse that the President's son was coming by helicopter and needed a larger landing area. You should have heard the complaints from the attendess who paid $17 each to be fooled. The fooling I couldn't stop.

I am a successful debunker. You can question it as you have the right to do. But frankly, my dear...

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Hi,,I read on that and I hope so much sucsess for that mission,,!!!

Its a long trip.

It is amazing and I go crazy thinkimg on that!

If there is water/ocean there!!,,,, I assume the skeptics will be having serious gas pains that day and have "THE RUNNS",,,,,,,(I hope its like Jalepeno pepper and hot chilli spice),,,I want them to realize their actions and opinions and feel it to,,,so thats why...

IKona

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Zorgon said:

Actually I have found and posted several anomalies in LRO images and Japans HDTV looks like plastic sculpters but the reason there are so few thread about it is because all those who took the time to look and present those threads are no longer here... which I suppose is a victory to the skeptic fringe.

I asked for a link to the above LRO images, and any image that you think shows something artificial, looking forward to your reply. Not coming?

Originally posted by Little_Kona
I assume the skeptics will be having serious gas pains that day and have "THE RUNNS",,,,,,

Nah it won't happen... When skeptics are faced with reality they usually just go away and ignore the thread

You should read the McMoon thread were all the usual skeptics pounced on the thread saying finding the lunar orbiter tapes in an abandonned McDonald's was BS Page after page... till suddenly they found out t was real... then they all vanished... back under their rocks. One actually sent me a pm to apologize and eat some humble pie... the one who accused me of faking it but he didn't do it in the thread

The skeptic fringe are just as bad as the believer fringe. They need to easy to debunk threads even more that the believers otherwise they have no purpose here. Its sad really... bordering on pathetic... they suffer from the delusion that they are right about everything... and are not happy till they let everyone know how right they are

I had one call me out and said I should stop making sensational threads. Well I did a test... two threads with sensational titles 1 thread that was serious on the fossils on Mars. What happened? will the first two threads got over 12 pages on the first day with oodles of flags and stars... The 'debunkers' were all over it like flies to sh... but the serious one, though it got several applauses, barely made page 2. And the guy who made the suggestion? Didn't even show up.

So let them rant. They think they are making a difference. Let's not spoil their fun

Originally posted by The Shrike
I asked for a link to the above LRO images, and any image that you think shows something artificial, looking forward to your reply. Not coming?

I said I posted images of anomalies. I did not say they necessarily showed something 'artificial' But since you saw the clip of the rectangle in Exhuberant1's collection and say it's worthless, seems I don't have a need to waste my time reposting stuff.

Originally posted by The Shrike
I have posted here under other names, one being SkepticalEd. But names mean nothing and if you never saw my threads, your loss.

Ah yes I recall that name. What, you need more than one name for your crusade? I thought multiple accounts were frowned on by the T&C around here

Hoagland is still selling books and other items authored by him and with superjerk Mike Bara. I caught an error in "DARK MISSION" and Jim Oberg was one of my supporters as well as many positive replies. Popular subject authors always continue strong and sell good because their audiences are the gullible believers who don't have a researching bone in their body.

Well see there is your main problem... you consider those who don't share your narrow view of the world as "superjerk" or "gullible believers". Why do you even care? Most people come to these threads for entertainment, They read Hoagland's books for entertainment. What do you care what people believe? What makes you so sure you have the right to kick other peoples's beliefs?

They don't research because when you go to a science fiction film, you don't research that either, you go because it's something you enjoy. I don't agree with a lot of what Hoagland says but I still bought the book.

I showed here, last year I think, how Hoagland likes to publish photos with question claims such as the lunar photo he put on his website upside down so that the falling lunar debris looked like towers! The gullible love to be fooled or people such as Hoagland, Bara, Lear, etc., would have to find other ways 'cause it's in their blood.

Quite true... many of the ufologists don't provide correct image detail, so people like me have to hunt them down. But there you go again..."The gullible love to be fooled" SO WHAT? What's it to you what people are interested in? It's a free country... freedom to publish your ideas, no matter how crazy... freedom to believe anything you want to. I even grant you the freedom to believe as you do.

But freedom ends when it infringes on another persons freedom. You have NO RIGHT to decide what others should or should not believe. So I say again, your only a successful debunker in your own belief.

As to Jim Oberg being your supporter? Does that mean he agreed with some of your points? Well no surprise on that. Jim has been on that side of the fence a very long time... but you might be surprised at some of his thoughts

I measure success by having the debunked admit that I bested them.

Yes I can see that notion is important to you. Seems I was right... your on a mission to rain on other peoples parade. It's people on crusades that caused the Salem witch burnings too.

Well don't forget ATS is a business... and drawing in the crowds is part of the game here as well... so carry on by all means.

It's been suggested by numerous people that 'disclosure' (if you will) will take place after another country (perhaps, China or India) brings back unequivocal photos of structures on the Moon. It is my personal belief we (NASA) are already in possession of said-photos but for obvious 'control' reasons, have kept them from us.

We'll see.................

Also this is a good thread to plug one of my most favorite people Ingo Swann who remote viewed the Moon.

Originally posted by Human_Alien
It's been suggested by numerous people that 'disclosure' (if you will) will take place after another country (perhaps, China or India) brings back unequivocal photos of structures on the Moon.

Well China has launched ChangE-2 so lets hope they do better than one doctored image this time

I have a radical idea. Why don't a bunch of us hop into some tin foil wrapped tube and take our video cameras over to the moon to see really what's going on up there? Yeah, we'll probably get fried with a little bit of radiation on the trip, but who knows, it may do us some good and knock some sense into our brains. With today's technology, this trip should be a snap since it was pulled off several times without a hitch over 40 years ago.

And when we return as triumphant heroes and the press questions us on our findings, we can have these inexplicable looks on our faces like our best friend just died. Any takers?

Originally posted by SphinxMontreal
And when we return as triumphant heroes and the press questions us on our findings, we can have these inexplicable looks on our faces like our best friend just died. Any takers?

Thanks but I think I will try to hitch a ride on a NAVY cruiser

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Threads like these are the most ridiculous. Watching those videos , everything they have arrows pointing to looks like NOTHING of what they claim it is, only if you use your imagination. Its ridiculous, and Richard C Hoagland is a prime example of one of the crackpots in the UFO Field who ruin it for the rest of you.

picking out patterns in grainy videos among the barren texture does not constitute evidence of the things hoagland claims.

There are no ET ruins on the moon, no secret human bases.

Originally posted by Human_Alien
It's been suggested by numerous people that 'disclosure' (if you will) will take place after another country (perhaps, China or India) brings back unequivocal photos of structures on the Moon. It is my personal belief we (NASA) are already in possession of said-photos but for obvious 'control' reasons, have kept them from us.

We'll see.................

Also this is a good thread to plug one of my most favorite people Ingo Swann who remote viewed the Moon.

Nope. Its because there are no structures on the moon. This is nonsense peddled by a few crack pots and bought by some zealous believers who lack the knowledge to think critically regarding this issue.
Its just pareidolia folks. The human mind is adept at finding patterns in things. Its why we see patterns in clouds.

The mathmatics in the image disproves the idea itself. Given the "size" of the so called structures hoagland points out, and given the size of the camera that took the photos, most would be INCAPABLE of spotting structures on the moon unless they subtended and monstrously huge angle of arc: IE: Unless they were insanely huge. ( Im sure some of you just read that and wondered wtf? exactly. arcseconds, subtending, angular diameter... you know, scientific and mathematical concepts that really can determine things like size of an object on the surface of a planetary body, you know, real science... the thing many of you ignore in favor of watching youtube videos of NASA pictures and saying "LOOK! its a grainy spot! its an alien base!)

Secondly, you mention in your post other countries: Other countries are now getting in on it, and sending probes to the moon.

So what now? Oh, thats right, your just going to add even more unfounded junk to the conspiracy theory withot any evidence whatseoever. Your going to say those countries were coerced into covering it up too, or some other nonsensical explanation.

I saw another thread that claimed that NASA LCROSS mission, which slammed itself into the moon to detect water vapor in the plume thrown up was really a nuclear attack to wipe out evidence of structures before other countries could see them. no proof was offered...

nonsensical