Thats IT ! Its Time to Put Up or Shut Up. The last Stand.

I'm a 'skeptic' .

But I also have had numerous experiences with "UFOS" and such. Was chased by one even and there are some police recordings out there of me losing my mind on the phone to them LOL.

But the CRAP that gets posted on ATS is sad...for the most part. I think most posters here are the "ZOMG a UFO is over my house" types that think any light, odd shape, thing they can't explain is a "UFO"(in the alien sense).

I could post some videos of great 'evidence' but most of the great ufo footage is on private made documentaries that are out there. YouTube is full of JUNK and is NO MATCH for the stuff I've seen in produced UFO niche documentaries.

SO good 'evidence' is hard to come by from the advent of online video sharing. Don't get me wrong, there's some compelling stuff, but the average Joe is going to link to BOOBTUBE videos as 'teh proofs".

A recent video this week at ATS www.abovetopsecret.com... illustrates my point exactly. Some people run around like headless chickens over some really silly crap.

It's good to be skeptical, I wish more were.

Originally posted by TheApachekid
reply to post by Immortalgemini527

 

Simply, astronaut eye witness. If all the astronauts that saw ufo's , also witness the crime of murder and testified
in a court of law, there would be a conviction.This would be considered proof.

You mean the same "astronauts" that faked the moon landings?

This thread is ridiculous.

To suggest that there is no evidence of “UFO/ET” is like saying that no one can prove that there is “Love”, or there are “Emotions”, or “Hate”, or “Sex Appeal”, etc.

One important standard for truth in the western world is witness. Three people see a guy shot to death, they identify the shooter, and he fries.

Perhaps over one million people have reported UFO/ET encounters of the various types. These witnesses independently describe the crafts and the “beings” in the same or similar way. And the OP says that isn’t even “1% proof” – baloney.

There are things/events which the world commonly identify as “UFO/ET sightings/encounters” – the question is: “What are they?”.

Because we can’t identify the sightings and catalog them by the laws of Physics or the laws of Nature, they must be described as “Miracles”, or “Magic” – “Acts of God”.

The question of “What are UFO/ET’s?” is perhaps the same one as “Who/What is GOD”. That’s got to be the world’s oldest question (even older than “What do they want? (women, that is.)”.

ATS discusses lots of miracles – like the sunspots in the shape of the Haitian Island and in the shape of the Olympic Emblem.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

And the radio transmission from Saturn, converted to sound and pictures was a miracle/magic/act of god.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

UFO/ET’s exist – for sure. GOD exists – for sure.

Originally posted by Immortalgemini527
reply to post by Immortalgemini527

 

This is my only 1% conclusive evidence.www.youtube.com...

That is from the film Confirmation by NBC, a lot of good evidence in that film.

You can watch the film here:

Google Video Link

never say never.
you need to remember that history is what we have written!
and humans can only remember so much

reply to post by Immortalgemini527


what an awful post title.

reply to post by Immortalgemini527


Eliminate the Impossible, and whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

Absence of evidence does not mean absence of Extra terrestrial life. Our search for ET has been based on how life formed here on Earth. logic tells our scientists that if we evolved in this manner, then its probable it could occur elsewhere in the galaxy.

Its entirely possible we have already made contact, and just don't know it because we are looking for ourselves. Planets completely inhospitable to humans could host advanced life. How do we know this? Well, humans can not breathe underwater without the aid of a scuba tank, and yet there is life down there that has adapted to life under water. Humans cannot live in the antarctic without assistance, yet penguins have no troubles, since they are adapted to the environment.

Yes, we have circumstantial evidence that we are not alone in the universes and only the arrogance of humankind could draw a conclusion that we are alone.

The simple fact that we have cases of UFO encounters that can't be explained is evidence that we aren't 100% sure we are the only life out there.

I could go so deep into my response of this thread,but I'm not because I could go on for a very long time,I will just say this,seeing is believing and I have seen,all the rest falls into place,the sightings,crop circles,abductions,cattle mutilations,human mutilations, all of the things that seem like non sense to a non believer all of a sudden make sense to the believer,the pyramids,stonehenge.the truth is realized in the believer,I don't expect a skeptic to believe,and if a skeptic were to argue my reply I would respect the arguement.we are all on two different sides,you believe or you don't,evidence isn't always pictures or fragments of a ufo or dead alien.I've never seen god,but I have SEEN HIS WORK,I've felt it,I know he is in everything around us.I'm rambling but I hope I'm making sense.

i dont like ur tone op

True.

The alarm has not sounded for the FIRE.

But it's got insufferably hot,
there's an awful lot of smoke,
and we smell something burning.



Gotta stay

if the public had even less than 1% proof of either way, this thread would not exist, so you are only asking for something that is not there, its all just belief, if you dont have belief in something what do you have??

i believe there IS intelligent life out there, and not so far away!

Originally posted by Immortalgemini527
reply to post by TheFlash

 

i my self dont even know,i guess the kind of evidence thast doesnt land u over in the grey area or the hoax area,the same evidence that the mods look for?whatever that is.

Well can you see how it might be hard to provide what you want then even you "don't even know" what it is you are looking for?

I'll tell you this - I have seen people ask for certain knowledge in forums such as this before, when what they were looking for could not possibly be explained/transferred/communicated in 100 lines of text, or 1,000 or even 50,000. An example I might use is someone asking "explain calculus to me" in an email or message forum like this.

The way to get a knowledge of some complex and esoteric subjects is to put in the time and the work to review all (or a substantial portion of) the available information on the subject, assimilate that information, digest it and come to your own INFORMED. EDUCATED conclusion. The more information you are familiar with on the topic, the more valid your opinion on the subject will be, that seems to me to be plain common sense.

Another good example is a court case. A single 10 minute incident might take weeks or months of time and presenting of evidence in a court to explain exactly what happened to a jury. There is no conceivable one minute or 5 minute or 10 minute presentation of data can be used to clearly explain the details of a murder case for example. Likewise there is no single photograph, or video, or book, or speech that I can imagine that might convince or disprove the existence of things such as extraterrestrial visitation on Earth.

If you are truly interested in a subject such as this, and you want to determine the truth behind all the propaganda, kooks, hoaxes and cover-ups then you need to put in the work and study the vast topic for yourself. Sometimes there is no easy way. Like a lot of things in life, you get out of it what you put into it. One of the reasons that (alleged) government propaganda and cover-ups is so effective is that most people do not put in the work to dig up all the facts for themselves. I wonder how many people on this board have thoroughly researched the 9/11 events for example. I am quite sure that for the vast majority of the US population their opinions on the subject are NOT based on a thorough investigation of the available information, but based on what they WANT to believe about the subject.

reply to post by Immortalgemini527


For me the most convincing piece of evidence would be the NASA tether incident.

NASA Tether Incident Video



The same type of UFO also appeared in another NASA footage posted earlier in this thread.

Cheers..

Originally posted by TheFlash

Originally posted by Immortalgemini527
reply to post by TheFlash

 

i my self dont even know,i guess the kind of evidence thast doesnt land u over in the grey area or the hoax area,the same evidence that the mods look for?whatever that is.

Well can you see how it might be hard to provide what you want then even you "don't even know" what it is you are looking for?

I'll tell you this - I have seen people ask for certain knowledge in forums such as this before, when what they were looking for could not possibly be explained/transferred/communicated in 100 lines of text, or 1,000 or even 50,000. An example I might use is someone asking "explain calculus to me" in an email or message forum like this.

The way to get a knowledge of some complex and esoteric subjects is to put in the time and the work to review all (or a substantial portion of) the available information on the subject, assimilate that information, digest it and come to your own INFORMED. EDUCATED conclusion. The more information you are familiar with on the topic, the more valid your opinion on the subject will be, that seems to me to be plain common sense.

Another good example is a court case. A single 10 minute incident might take weeks or months of time and presenting of evidence in a court to explain exactly what happened to a jury. There is no conceivable one minute or 5 minute or 10 minute presentation of data can be used to clearly explain the details of a murder case for example. Likewise there is no single photograph, or video, or book, or speech that I can imagine that might convince or disprove the existence of things such as extraterrestrial visitation on Earth.

If you are truly interested in a subject such as this, and you want to determine the truth behind all the propaganda, kooks, hoaxes and cover-ups then you need to put in the work and study the vast topic for yourself. Sometimes there is no easy way. Like a lot of things in life, you get out of it what you put into it. One of the reasons that (alleged) government propaganda and cover-ups is so effective is that most people do not put in the work to dig up all the facts for themselves. I wonder how many people on this board have thoroughly researched the 9/11 events for example. I am quite sure that for the vast majority of the US population their opinions on the subject are NOT based on a thorough investigation of the available information, but based on what they WANT to believe about the subject.

Very well said....well done...

reply to post by TheFlash


that was very well said!! star for you!

FoxBenBen made a good point, I'm not sure i even exist either, perhaps all living beings, are all the same being in a another dimension, putting a "finger in a glass of water" the glass represents a body it can hold only so much, and an infinte number of fingers and glasses so to speak. Through the string theory (m theory) this can be proven one day maybe.

Your right though, there is no proof aliens are visting us, and yet there is no proof that they arent, the same applies to God, it is based on faith. Perhaps it is real to those who believe, and not to those who dont.
If ufos are flying about, then they are not aliens but PEOPLE FROM THE FUTURE, thousands or millions of years, and to avoid destorying your timeline, you would leave your junk around would you?

You would want people to think its aliens rather then people from the future, cause that could litterly destory your timeline, thus changing the future, then bamn, people never going back intime, and a paradox is born.

But honestly, little to no proof and people believe it like its the end of the world tomorrow.

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I know what you mean, i have had few strange expierances, from seeing what i thought was a massive ufo, to seeing tall grey people with giant black eyes (people from future?), looking right at me, but i dont believe they are real. I merely believe i am just going insane, so once you know your going nuts, then you can know what is real and what is fake.

Merely by "hey i never ever see one of those....gotta me my imagenation" and i continue my life like nothing happened, and i am a HUGE SKEPTIC. I just think our species is going insane (if not already is) but i never say something is certain, i consider the possibltiy, and pros and cons to each situation, and hold multiple ideas never bleieveing too strongly in one, to avoid being an ingorant jacka$$.

Much like a reilgious expirence, cannot be proven based merely on faith, and magical thinking.

I guess the acknowledgement of the existence of ET's is a big leap of faith for most, in fact the very recognition of visitors from other worlds brings with it more questions than answers, from a religious perspective it could pose a shift in our entire belief system. So even those that acknowledge the possibilities of the universe will close their ears to any potential evidence because it's easier to deal with.

One day will come, either in our lifetime or the next when disclosure will come - and even then we'll need proof the governments haven't created an external threat as a control mechanism. So tbh it's a debate that will continue even after disclosure.

Threads of the future will be similar to this ;

* ET spacecraft - real or government super jet ?
* ET visitors - friend or foe ?
* ET medical care - sinister or miracle, you decide ?

We study the animal species of this planet with wonderous eyes, we make documentaries and discover new information about their behaviours, I don't think it's that far fetched to believe we are subjected to the same treatment from afar.

Originally posted by TheFlash
The way to get a knowledge of some complex and esoteric subjects is to put in the time and the work to review all (or a substantial portion of) the available information on the subject, assimilate that information, digest it and come to your own INFORMED. EDUCATED conclusion. The more information you are familiar with on the topic, the more valid your opinion on the subject will be, that seems to me to be plain common sense.

Well said, another star for you

I'm so tired of people that instead of trying to disprove evidence of extraterrestrials, just try to disprove the idea of extraterrestrials. There's a difference in actually doing the research and finding an opposition, and just being ignorant and disputing everything.