Thats IT ! Its Time to Put Up or Shut Up. The last Stand.

reply to post by TheKnave

believe the knowledge of alien presence is very controlled both by the government and the aliens them selves. They do not want them selves to be known by the worlds population. Now neither the government or the aliens are gods with unlimited power so sometimes information gets out that they cannot control and all they can do is program the population, through the media, to compartmentalize any rational evidence they may come across through their lives.

That being said I believe this is a nice compilation of the best unexplained UFO anomalies out there. I believe once information like this gets out, this they cannot remove it from the public eye without giving them selves away.

www.youtube.com...

The one that really intrigues me is the mile high tower on the dark side of the moon which has alot of evidence to back it up as being legit.
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i agree in a way but for the moon not to have so many strange things is not common being though how many times its been hit,i would love to say yea its a tower etc etc,"but what is it foreal>? What?
I did a thread 4 years ago called 'Moon Wars" i had told them that 2012 is nothing but a bend of the universe a time in which 5 trillion light years will be reduced to 1 million.
however it will be reduced it will be to a point in which travel will be empecable.
the aliens are not coming for humans there coming for the moon,in the solar history of the universe the moons was faught for violently upon 1 trillion years of all solar system,but to make this short,i also said if this is true then that means i was wrong about venus and there on the moon and that also means that when the last big base of the triangle was found in the DEUCI Phil Snyder incident,they moved to the moon ,and if they did then watch somthing happen as far as war..
u see, the missles wasnt missles as they saythey was just promptly giving them a warning that hey.."u can try it if u want to" maybe it was maybe it wasnt,but it happened some 2 years later..hope i was wrong.

are u serious,lol,moon wars?
no comment gemini527 no comment.
a little to much huh?
so not kool.
where is the evidence immortal,huh?
ok,ok u want evidence huh? count the moons and count the planets and count which moon are on each planet and then come back to me,lol,u..u honestly think that all those moons was..captured by gravity,lol.

It was like one big galactic goof,"Which MOON can Stabilized which planet" LOOK AT ALL THERE FAILURES OF TRYING,trying to figure it out,thats why they so scrambled upon the wrong planets .
"Jupitar,There are also at least 63 moons, including the four large moons called the Galilean moons that were first discovered by Galileo Galilei in 1610. Ganymede, the largest
of these moons. they thought the biger the size the planet the more moons it needed.

Saturn has sixty-two moons with confirmed orbits, fifty-three of which have names.

I guess what im trying to say .The moons are the key to all forms of landings and life.water isnt the key as every planet has its own evoled system.

30 tons of the moons surface can produce enough energy for 1billion life cycles.
i think the original saying was 'an ounce of the moons surface can produce enough energy to last 3 lifes times so i added the 30 tons,but still.

reply to post by colin42


I find it very strange when I see threads like this.

It is useful to debate witness reports but no one can prove or disprove either alien craft or religious beliefs. You gather the evidence and you decide whether to either have an open mind, decide it is a real event or whether it is all the result of an over active mind.

No one can prove it to you unless you are willing to accept. No one can disprove it unless you are willing to agree.

Given the latest science I am not even sure I exist and with all the evidence that surrounds you, niether can you. An argument can even be put forward that you dont exist and so it goes on.

I get annoyed by everyones willingness to believe or disbelieve and use this to look at the evidence put before them and then attempt to change others opinions on the whole based on this one report.

You should look with an open mind. Be ready to accept or reject the evidence and make a personal chioce on how this affects you.
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I made this post solely because i think strongly i was abducted and i have witnessed a triangle space craft twice,im just trying to find some one i can relate to,its not even that serious.
I have a wide open mind only for the truth and clear conclusive evidence,lol evidence that alot of people continue to bring that for some reason the debunkers cant debunk on here.

i thought i was the only one to notice it,must be good evidence.

yep
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reply to post by Havick007

There evidence
and therers OMG evidence.

reply to post by Prove_It_NOW
I'm a 'skeptic' .

But I also have had numerous experiences with "UFOS" and such. Was chased by one even and there are some police recordings out there of me losing my mind on the phone to them LOL.

But the CRAP that gets posted on ATS is sad...for the most part. I think most posters here are the "ZOMG a UFO is over my house" types that think any light, odd shape, thing they can't explain is a "UFO"(in the alien sense).

I could post some videos of great 'evidence' but most of the great ufo footage is on private made documentaries that are out there. YouTube is full of JUNK and is NO MATCH for the stuff I've seen in produced UFO niche documentaries.

SO good 'evidence' is hard to come by from the advent of online video sharing. Don't get me wrong, there's some compelling stuff, but the average Joe is going to link to BOOBTUBE videos as 'teh proofs".

A recent video this week at ATS www.abovetopsecret.com... illustrates my point exactly. Some people run around like headless chickens over some really silly crap.

It's good to be skeptical, I wish more were.
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ITS not even about the ats its about all forums that show the same utube video and basiccaly from the same wave length of info on the computer.i tell u one thing nad im 100% sure oon this,its one video out there that atleast show the truth,even people that have come over here and said some crazy stuff,might of just been that key to all,who knows huh?

reply to post by etcorngods


Originally posted by TheApachekid
reply to post by Immortalgemini527

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Simply, astronaut eye witness. If all the astronauts that saw ufo's , also witness the crime of murder and testified
in a court of law, there would be a conviction.This would be considered proof.


You mean the same "astronauts" that faked the moon landings?

I did so many threads on the fake moon landing it doesnt make since,i agree,lol

reply to post by etcorngods


Im trying to keep this thread on conclusie evidence not theories of the unknown.
Alot of people on the ats have ,to me gave good evidence on this thread in which no one has really debunked it yet,im a proud believer on way above 1% level at this point.


Cry me a river why dont u!

reply to post by Ex_MislTech


Originally posted by Immortalgemini527
reply to post by Immortalgemini527

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This is my only 1% conclusive evidence.www.youtube.com...



That is from the film Confirmation by NBC, a lot of good evidence in that film.

You can watch the film here:


Google Video Link

loved it,atlest my conclusive made the list,the missle shoting at the alien space ship,all tose are a plus to the mission for truth.

reply to post by Immortalgemini527


Immortal gemini,

Question,you think you were abducted?
Have you experienced lost time?unaccounted for?
Any strange markings?
A little spooked at night?
Vivid fragments of strange "dreams"?
Childhood nightmares?
Night terrors?
Did the greys stand around your bed and look down at you with endless black eyes?

My 1% of evidence, might not be evidence to you, but it is to me. I have always grown up KNOWING there are aliens. I dont know how to explain it,I was about 7 years old when my father was watching a documentary on Rosewell. It made sense to a 7 year old child, that if a UFO crashed and their were alien bodies, that OF COURSE the government would cover it up so for people would not to panic. It wasnt untill I got older and learned about world war 2 which my fathers father faught in, and my mothers mom was about 3 years old and remembers the sirens, and the black outs. It was a very scary time back then that the people just mentally COULD NOT handle the truth. and so the rabit hole gets deeper. I believe that there are aliens because of my list of whisle blowers who all "mysteriously" died or "COMMITTED" suicide.

1-William Cooper aka Bill Cooper, Born May 5th 1943 was a former U.S Intelligence breifing officer who wrote a book "Behold A Pale Horse" was shot to death Nov 5 2001 for "Resisting arrest for an arrest warrant for not paying taxes in 92 and 94" Hmmmmmm?? Really?? Since when did Resistig arrest constitute captial punishment?? Couldnt they have tazed him first? Oh, I guess him telling the public in June of 2001 that there was going to be a staged attack on American Soil which would later be blamed on a man by the name of Osama Ben Ladin pissed some people off ya think??

2-James Forrestal Born February 15, 1892 was the last Cabinet-level United States Secretary of the Navy AND the FIRST United States Secretary of Defense in 1947, intresting enough that was the year of the famous Roswell incident( Oh to be the first secretary of defense, having to learn of so much that you wish you didnt have to know).March 29 1949 apparently Pres Trueman asked for his resignation and it "shattered" him, 5 days later he was admitted to Bethesda Naval Hospital for depression.Not even 2 months later on May 22, his body was found on a third-floor roof below the 16th-floor kitchen across the hall from his room. The announcement stated only that Forrestal had died from his fall from the window. It did not say what might have caused the fall, or did it make any mention of a bathrobe sash cord that had first been reported as tied around his neck. There were unsubstantiated reports in the press of paranoia even though his dr did not diagnoise him as paranoid, and of involuntary commitment to the hospital, as well as suspicions about the circumstances of his death, was he pushed? Or did he fall? Creepy stuff this government can do if you know to much and they feel they cant "TRUST" you..

3-PHIL SCHNEIDER- Good old Phil Schnider... God rest his soul...Im not saying EVERYTHING he said was true, I am not him and did not experince what he claims to of experinced...But his death leads me to believe that something he was saying was hitting close to home and P*SSING some people off, he had to be taken care of... He was born on April 23, 1947 at Bethesda Navy Hospital, coinsidence Im sure...For two years prior to his death, Philip Schneider had been on a lecture tour talking about government cover-ups, black budgets, and UFOs. Philip stated in his lecture that in 1954, under the Eisenhower administration, the federal government decided to circumvent the Constitution and form a treaty with extraterrestrials. The treaty was called the 1954 Greada Treaty (Which is what William Cooper wrote his book about and look how they both ended up..coinsidence... I think not!) He claims to be one of only 3 survivors of the DULCE WARS incident in 1979, claiming that the other two were locked up in a hospital in Canada..Which sounds fimilar to number 2 James Forrestal doesnt it?) He was found dead January 17th 1996 in Wilsonville, Oregon with a rubber cathater hose wrapped around his neck 3 times?He had been dead for up to 5 days before his body was found.. He was suppose to start his next lecture tour January 16th in my hometown of Tampa, Fl(This Coming from a man with 3 missing fingers (due to the dulce wars incident and a bad shoulder with limited motion, yet he strangled himself?). All of his lecture materials, alien metals, higher math books,photographs of UFO's coming out of the Operation Crossroad A-Bomb, notes for his book on the alien agenda, were missing. (Everything else in the apartment was still there, including gold coins, wallet with hundreds of dollars, jewelry, mineral specimens, etc.) Which he was using to write a book exposing the NWO, all materials and pictures are now gone!

4-RON RUMMELL-"Sometimes people who write controversial books die before the book is released.“

In early August, 1993, Ron Rummell (also known as Creston) was found dead in a Portland, Oregon park. He had been shot through the mouth and was supposedly holding a gun in his hand, but there was no blow back blood on the gun(.....Hmmmm??can we say murder?) The police labeled it a suicide and cremated the body the next day WITH OUT performing an autopsy or notifying relatives. He published ’Alien Digest’ which he worked on along the side of close friend Phil Schnider and was also close friends with people who publish ’Revelations of Awareness.’ On June 2, 1995, Fox TV discussed this death because Ron had been writing about the ”alleged‘ suicides and/or accidental deaths of over 30 British scientists who had been working on top secret projects in the British defense industry. These projects included mind control, star wars, and the implantation of devices in the brain without the recipient being aware of this. In some of these ’suicides’, the victims were found with their hands and feet bound.While the U.S. press has otherwise refused to cover this story, the British press has had broad coverage. If the country (U.S.) one day learns how many people have been murdered by the secret government, surely there will be a great shock. We can only hope so. After his death in 1993, only then did Phil Schnider descide to start discussing everything he knew openly to the public, he essentially had, had ENOUGH!


5-JIM KEITH
Keith was an outspoken exposé of the multi-leveled conspiracy involving underground bases, black helicopters, New World Order plans, illegal industrial-military treaties with ETS, aerospace, antigravity secrets preserved by deadly force, kidnapping (Which Phil Schnider/ Alex Collier also brushed up on) and genetic engineering experiments which take place "in the black“. (The alien-corporate monopolies operate under industrial security clearance levels so deep that even congressional regulators cannot access and oversee them). It is a matter of aerospace, petrochemical, and banking monopolies placing those whom they wish into the executive, senatorial, and judicial branches of government. . . considering themselves to be above the law while imposing the fullness of the letter of the law upon those whom they perceive to be competition to their military-industrial fraternity. Jim Keith entered a hospital after suffering MINOR cuts from tripping. He never emerged alive. Many find his death to be highly suspicious, and suspect that foul play was involved. Again with the hospital thing?? Hmmm...Seeing a patteren here?Sucide/Murder.... or you end up in a hospital??

6-STACY BORLAND
Borland---a researcher who had also been working with employees of Reynolds Electric Corporation who had exposed the fact (over the Billy Goodman Radio Talk Show) that several of their co-workers were being held captive in an underground base below the Mercury Test site in Nevada (This was after stumbling across a conspiracy involving an alien (reptilian) takeover of U.S. underground installations.This was also confirmed by a former Wackenhut employee, Michael Riconosciuto who implied that the entire underground system (linking Nellis AFB on the outskirts of Las Vegas with Edwards AFB in California) was no longer under human control and that many who had learned too much either turned up missing or dead just like the 5 test site employees whose chopper was shot down as they were trying to leave the base with an aircraft packed with damning evidence on antigravity, genetic and underground base atrocities. Borland was attempting to expose this conspiracy and help the "Mercury workers“ in their desperate struggle. Shortly afterwards, Stacy and her brother were murdered in a "gangland style“ slaying in Las Vegas.

7-Danny Cassolaro was writing a book called Octopus about UNDER GROUND FACILITIES and the security agency known as WackenHut.Michael Riconosciuto was his insider to it as mentioned before he was a former employee,he was later convicted of a felony and sent to a federal prison on what he claimed were falsified drug charges. Cassolaro was found murdered in his home, and his research papers and manuscript for his book were nowhere to be found.


This my friend is my 1% proof that there is something going on with the ET's. As you can see anyone who speaks about these underground facilities mysteriously die or are sent to hospitals NEVER to be heard from again... Could these people be making it up? Of course, would the government go out of their way to kill them if it werent true? I dont believe so. So to you my friend, I lay down the lives of these brave whistleblowers who SELFLESSLY went out of thier way to WARN US of something that is VERY REAL and if these peoples lives are not good enough proof for you....Then I dont know what it will take to make people wake up and stop being the sheeps the government WANTS us to be... WE ARE NOT SHEEP.....All of these people were someones mother, father, sister, brother, sons, daughter, nieces, nephews and they were all someones friend..WAKE UP People!!

reply to post by JoshuaTree
In the year on 1982 something happened on a basic camping trip up in the valley of west Virginia, one night but not just me but to a lot of children and maybe grown ups as well.
My brothers and family that I call and grew up with went on a camping trip along with 38 to 50 other people ,we was all in a group called the 'Sierra Club'.

As we all went to sleep that night I felt my body lift off the ground with fealing no gravity beneath me as i was carried out the tent into a Very large white room. As I looked over out my corner eye, being though at that point it was the only thing I could move. looking at some of the kids not to far from me barely seeing just ther upper eyes and forhead as It seamed that the stars out the window above me was getting closer and closer and closer to the stars as never before ,as the Weightlessness was that of nothing ever felt.

The last thing I remember was being in flight back to the tent, but as I woke up peaking back out the tent the lil left foot of something not wearing shoes was walking away.
WAKING UP THE NEXT MORNING.
One camper says.
Wow I love it up hear I swear I was flying.
As another one says.
Me too, lol, What we all had the same dream ,hahahah
The other camper.
Lololololol.
But another camper says.
Yea a little to real, what we all had the same dreams.
A little kid says.
Yea, and they was running all around the tent..

At this point im not really paying attention because every one at this time are talking and telling there version so I cant say what was said at this point.
So my friend Michael who was in the tent with me taps me on the shoulder and says
They was ugly monsters to !

O m g ! SO this urgg, So this man and this lady ranger comes out the blue and says calm down calm down HOW MANY OF U ALL HAVE EVER EXPERIENCED OUR VALLEY.
Maybe 5 people said they had been there before so
He says, WHAT U ALL WAS EXPERIENCING IS THE VALLEY ATTITUDE LOL WE GET THAT ALL THE TIME.
But nobody new what he was talking about every one was just looking crazy so then he says.

LOL, OH, ON THE Weightlessness FEELING U ALL WAS SHARING A MINUTE A GO.
And then every one was in tune to what he was saying not knowing he was listing.
And then this woman says
AND WE HAD A LOT OF DEAR OUT HERE LAST NIGHT, LOL EVEN A BEAR WAS IN YOUR CAMP LAST NIGHT.
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First of all no one asked for neither of there opinion and second of all looking back it was so rehearsed, and I still don’t know where they came from was and by how dumb founded every one else looked. They didn’t notice them either.

I get home that night and in 2 days my whole chest was covered full of pus and what ever happened, within 1 month I had 2 get 2 cyst removed one on the right side of my face and the other on the left back of my head.

For over 25 years I always thought it was just a dream it really wasn’t a big deal to me, but who remembers one dream for so long?

So to make this short 2 years ago looking at a program a man had the same experience as I did on a camping trip with another club.

How easy is it to create a club and take humans on trips into the valley ,woods, camping trips, etc and implant at will and u not even no it let alone in my personnel feelings, being latterly kidnapped and having something done to u with out your say so. A group or club that CLEARLY has ties to these infamous kidnapers of the stars

reply to post by Immortalgemini527


Have you ever considered going under hypnosis?. It would need to be a neutral enviroment during the session,he or she that was doing the hypnosis wouldn't need to know the exact reason you. Wanted to undergo hypnosis.if he or she did know that may taint the session with suggestion,things may be suggested on accident or on purpose and if that happens you may experience the suggestions rather than the actual events of that night.

I have considered hypnosis also,I have vivid "dreams" from childhood that I try to remember but can never unlock them but when I get close to doing so they seem real and extremely frightening.

Call me crazy.

Has anybody here ever heard the art bell frantic caller(former area 51 employee)recording?

Any thoughts guys\girls?

Good post star gazer, RIP phil

BELIEVERS ?
I just want to know one thing and one thing only.
What CLEAR evidence in the History of Ufology and the 4.8billion years of THE existence of earth has there ever been at least 1% clear evidence of aliens or space ships.
I can answer that …none.. period, nothing ,nada, there never has been ,not in this age not back then ,not know, there has never been conclusive evidence ,Never. When I say NEVER I mean NEVER.

IM NOT ASKING FOR A 100%, IM ASKING FOR just 1% OF CLEAR CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE .

A simple question, but a not so simple answer....

Here are the main points that lead me to believe that intelligent beings from another world have visited us, and that some members of the U.S. government (at least the U.S.) have not only covered this up, but have also recovered at least one crashed vehicle, and have used pieces of this to advance our own technology.
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First and foremost, Roswell. When I first began looking into this case from a serious research standpoint, I went in expecting to find really good evidence for the Mogul explanation offered by the Air Force. On the surface, it seemed like a simple case of a small story getting blown way out of proportion. Needless to say, I was actually surprised at what I found.

The sheer number of ranking military officers that have attested to us recovering a craft and bodies at Roswell is pretty amazing. From enlisted men, sergeants, captains, even generals, there are consistent reports and descriptions of the wreckage and the bodies, and using the recovered tech and farming pieces out to defense contractors.

There were no classified materials for Mogul, only the mission itself was classified. When Mogul balloon trains were misplaced, they would simply be left to rot in the desert like any other such tests. Yet, we're to believe that the military cordoned off the area, and flew the debris to Air Materiel Command and Foreign Technology bases to study something that was ours, and pretty unremarkable? A child could identify the materials of Mogul (foil paper, balsa wood, etc.), yet Intel officers were puzzled? The explanation simply doesn't work. The government's own response is actually the best evidence FOR a retrieval in the case.

Here are the simple facts. 1) Something crashed out in the desert. 2) The debris was recovered by the military, and flown to bases that specialize in foreign technology. 3) Everything about this recovery was classified for decades until the official, Mogul explanation. Then, you add in common sense, 1) If it was our craft or the enemy's, it would not have remained classified, and would have been easily produced earlier as the answer, 2) Officers would have certainly been able to identify the materials from Mogul, if this was what was recovered, 3) No other Mogul flights were recovered in such a way, before or since.
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Then there is the Betty and Barney Hill abduction. Both were reluctant, and didn't seek fame from the story. The Hills were examined by one of the top psychiatrists in the world, and they were one of the first abduction cases of record. There were unidentified radar returns that corroborate the Hill's account of a UFO.

But, the most startling evidence is that while under hypnosis, Betty explained the aliens were visiting yellow stars, and that they showed her a 3D map. (before 3D of course). She drew this map, and only later, did we discover that she not only identified stars we only later confirmed, but she also knew the colors of these stars before our astronomers did (and indeed, there was an indicated path between yellow stars like our own). In addition, the constellation isn't even visible in her native hemisphere. That's pretty compelling stuff.

This is some of the CLEAR evidence (and I believe it to be much higher than 1%), that convinces me of my viewpoint. There are many other supporting cases (and even more cases of outright fraud (even within the Roswell case) or just honest misidentifications). However, I'm a firm believer of the old adage not to "throw the baby out with the bathwater"... Of course, you are free to disagree, but I certainly think there is enough evidence out there to support that we're being visited.

Personally, this is one believer who would really prefer to believe otherwise. After all, if they are here, what do they want? Why the secrecy? You generally don't stay secretive from folks who will APPROVE of your deeds, so this is really the bigger concern for me....

reply to post by Gazrok


Yes,they showed her where they were from, Zeta Reticuli

reply to post by JoshuaTree


Yep, and it's kind of scary how often that seems to come up...either folks are copying, or there's something to it. Given that some of the folks who've made the claim show no prior interest in the UFO subject, I'm more inclined to believe the latter....(there's something to it)....

reply to post by Immortalgemini527



This has nothing to do with nothing but...

Why would the church astronomer go out on a limb and release comments that indicate ET life is entirely possible?

Not only do they know something... THEY KNOW WE are going to know something too.

Bear with me...


Atheism is the fastest growing "religion."

Atheists and many others are following suit in the thinking, correct or not, that

1) There is no God
2) religion itself is a tool to control the masses.

Let's put number one aside for now and accept two as true...Religion was developed and brought along as a useful tool to control the masses.
It is a way to make the great unwashed and ignorant masses obligated to you and get them to pay you money just for BEING.

Just for BEING.

Keep in mind...
All religion eventually morphed into governing bodies and laws, and from there into Nations and so all world leaders and major countries are at root, complicit to this SYSTEM OF LAWS and thereby (or hidden within the framework) using it as a means of assuring loyalty, fealty and CONTROL.

OK. So this group of "controllers" has made religion a tool and controls the masses with it.
Governments and rulers copied this winning style and still use it today.

If you agree this is a feasible scenario...THEN
you HAVE to admit a few things about these "controllers"

1) They are highly organized
2) They are extremely dedicated
3) They are immensely powerful
4) And if the Church is a beast, the Papacy it's heart,
the Monarchy is it's aorta.
5) The rest of the G7 are tributaries
with US and England vying to be the main blood supply.
Almost all countries are complicit at their core to this old system of rule.

I take some liberties, but you get the idea...

Is this the group that is trying to usher in a NWO?
Or is the NWO a movement that will release us from them?

I don't know.

But the point to the whole post is this...
Anyone in this position with the power, initiative and the original - i.e. earliest recorded in human history...governing platform...to accomplish 1-5 above ...and have done it for years...

knows the real story.

Once again...
Why would the church astronomer release comments that indicate ET life is entirely possible?

If it looks like a duck,quacks like a duck and walks like a duck,well,odds are its a duck

reply to post by Immortalgemini527


Wondering if you had a chance to read the preamble to the forum you are bloviating on?

Aliens and UFOs:

This forum is dedicated to the discussion of historic and contemporary events related to extraterrestrial encounters, UFO sightings, and speculation about related subjects.

Discussion topics and follow-up responses in this forum will likely tend to lean in favor of the existence of extraterrestrials and the related conspiracies, scandals, and cover-ups.

Members who would seek to refute such theories should be mindful of our tradition of supporting the examination of the extraterrestrial phenomenon on the related conspiracy theories, cover-ups, and scandals.

reply to post by rusethorcain


I'm sorry,but rusethorcain does have a valid point,with all due respect,may I ask how you are so skeptical about this subject despite your belief that you may have been abducted,I'm not poking fun at you but please help me understand your intentions.

reply to post by Immortalgemini527


Yes I share your concern.
I have come to the conclusion that there are no aliens visiting Earth
- but they sent machines!

I theorize that they develop life extension about the same time as they develop interstellar flight
and star exploration becomes too risk adverse for a visit to us
It is detailed in my book Hard Jack

The machines are busy with out DNA and do not communicate with us.
My theory is they would if we logged in.