Thats IT ! Its Time to Put Up or Shut Up. The last Stand.

Asking for 100% proof of most anything is impossible. Most scientific theories that are generally accepted are based off an assumption. It's a good assumption, but still one that may be proved to be completely wrong as we study things more.

What you're asking for is the same as giving someone an airplane but no fuel and demanding they prove that it flies.

Them - "I'm sure it has to fly, all evidence points to that being it's function"

You - "But have you ever SEEN this one fly?"

Them - "Well, it appears to be a decent assumption that it has the potential of be...."

You -"HA!! You can't PROVE that it can fly!"

Them - "Well, no, but..."

You - "Case closed!!"

reply to post by Chamberf=6

Its the Gemini in me, one side is a believer and one side is a skeptic ,if its being juvenile to want to know both sides ..then so be it,thanks for your reply friend.

reply to post by Wertdagf


I realize dust can collectt, but again.. The changing of direction and velocity? Are you suggesting that these particles are accumulating and with each impact, change direction and speed?


Also, again the astronaut zooms in on the 3 objects at the end...

reply to post by Immortalgemini527

You came into with your mind made up for one. Then made it a farce by saying there are only two possible positions.
It was juvenile to say its either this way or that way now lets give out points.
"friend"

reply to post by Clisen33


why would millions of crafts float at a random distance from a planet moving in random directions? id hate to imagine their wait times for takeoffs. People on earth think they have a reason to complain lol.

reply to post by theelephant

The humans of today have the technology to visit other planets..
Whos the real alien? 'OR' what really is an alien ?

reply to post by Wertdagf


I don't see millions of craft. These objects are all pretty much moving in the same relative direction and slowly change direction and speed.

reply to post by Wertdagf

multiverse the amount of life contained within reality is infinite

WHAT IN THE HELL?
I really have to get on the wave of that for sure?
Just like the galaxy huh,"the reality of infinity" that was super kool, i have no program for that, can u elabarate a little,brief again?

I need to get to bed, ATS keeping me up lol. Nice debating with you in a civil way, wish more people could debate like this.

reply to post by Chamberf=6


LET ME TELL U SOMTHING MR,i believed in everyhtong that was believd until i saw a triangle and now because i saw one i dont belive in saucers any more,one way or the other i got my proof in more ways then one that day.
I WAS CRUSHED AS ALL the videos and all the abduction strries was just TO ME thrown out the window,i coudnt and woudnt believe in no saucer stories ever again.i have been let down to many times,to many,and im tired of being played with,im on 13 other sites and i think littrelly im fed.

By the way,has any body within the last 5 days been giving some type of
"i was just thinking that moment" if u no what i mean.

but like its continous more then the average.

reply to post by Clisen33

I have said it over and over again "connect the three stars method/the three engines of a triangle space craft, Then u can distinguish, but here we go again with the mind frame of multiple object when its just the triangle in cloaking form.
remember when u see videos like this .THEY ARE NOT MULTIPLE, forget what they say, there brain waves are still on multiple objects.
triangle= 3lights/3engines
2 triangles= 6lights/6engine
4 lights =,1 triangle one probe returning

Always look ,always, As the engines turn on one by one in any video u EVER see, it will always form a triangle, always notice them in "threes" 3.
I MY SELF CALL IT THE 3 STAR METHOD OF DETECTING THE TRIANGLE ALIEN RACE.
Never think multiples when it comes to videos like this and especially the night vision videos in which the author to is thinking multiples as the today’s thought.
Remember, the engines are the only thing they cant cloak.
3,6,9,12,15 etc
If the numbers ^ above don’t say that in a video, hats when u add your probes...
Greatest secret ever told..
and watch how the probes fly/disappear in side the 3 lights/engines.
truly amazing.
RECAP ALL YOUR NIGHT VISIONS AND NASA VIDEOS ETC ETC.
Are there aliens?
are u serious?
This here and certain videos in night vision to me is clear conclusive proof, but that’s my fact, I cant speak into upon what u think. Until u think in 3s?

I am a person who became a skeptic not because of my oppositional attitude towards the existence of visiting ETs, but instead my desire to really get down to brass tacks and find the "good stuff."

And you can't get down to the 'good stuff' without getting rid of the bad stuff first.

reply to post by Wertdagf

funny,but until i see the other dots fly like the other did ,i believe its clear conclusive proof that math doesnt lie.

So im first right?im going to trick myself and say i dont or i cant distinguish from what i see over earth and coming from earth and say duh,well maybe it could be,dust ice pop cycles or somthing.
A trillion things out there but nly 2 things move ,do the math.
Not only that a trillion things out there and one thing is chasing the other.
not only that a trillion things out there and that lil object said wt and got the hell opuit of there,or
i can go on for years,it was a missle coming from earth trying to hit a ufo.

reply to post by Adept_Zero


I have to ask. Have you found any "good" stuff. When we base out priorities on one subject we tend to not allow another to enter our subconsciousness

Peace, NRE..

reply to post by zorgon

lol,Zorgon always has the bestest info thanks, Sure interesting,didnt know humans and worms was that close in the genome.

reply to post by Chamberf=6

i think the skeptics are so kool for some reason..lol

reply to post by Clisen33



Take a look at this, then follow up with the next vid at youtube. For me, whether you are a David Sereda fan or not, its compelling stuff backed up by lots of correspondence he has shared with/ from NASA scientists and which is read out/seen during this video. This is an in depth analysis of the objects' taking a sharp turn' as mentioned in a previous post at this thread. If I recall, its about 1/2 way through this video, but dont hold me too it y'all! ( edited to add....it is at 8.30 piu o meno)


www.youtube.com...

I am a firm believer in ETs but I too am sick and tired of all those that post ridiculous videos purporting to be ' UFO's/ aliens' etc etc, et al et al without a second thought or second look. We all need second thoughts, and thirds too.. And the sad part is, I have only been here 2 weeks!! LOLOL Just HOW have you longtimers coped huh?

A wee tale if I may......just to reinforce how easy it is to change from skeptic to believer. A married couple who are very close friends (and were always poo pooing my belief in the afterlife) had a huge shock one night. Well, early morning actually. A good friends mother ( whom they adored) had died at 2.07 am and at that time, they both awoke and saw her standing at the end of their bed. I could NOT believe these two have changed their tune so decidedly and they have never wavered from now believing in the afterlife. If you knew them, I assure you you would crack up at the change.
It dont take much!

Love and light all

reply to post by Immortalgemini527


I am not sure what you mean by "clear" and "conclusive" evidence. Can you provide REALISTIC, hypothetical example of what such evidence might be? It would also help to provide the specific criteria that would constitute such "clear, conclusive" evidence.

reply to post by NoRegretsEver


I've ran into a few things that definitely lead me to believe I shouldn't toss out the visiting ETH just yet. There are also a few things in regard to the paranormal in general that still kind of haunt me, too.

I've never ran into any solid evidence or genuine proof that lends credibility to any of them yet, however.

Some day I just might get lucky.

Your post shows you haven't done any real research on the subject. If you had, you would find out that their are numerous amounts of physical evidence and ancient evidence supporting this. Did you know we had an aircraft back in the 80's that was able to avoid radar? We didn't have proof or know until our government came out publicly about it. There were eye witnesses and articles declaring it, but yet that was all questionable. With the access to the internet and numerous books on the subject, I would think taking a day to look into material evidence found in UFO cases, the final conclusions reached by a Dr. Hynek of the governments Blue Book project, multiple witnessed mass sightings, the star child's skull, government documents released that prove something is being kept from the public, newly released documents from European government UFO files, physical crop circle evidence, Dr. Lier, NASA audio and video footage and military personal accounts. If you want proof it's there. I was a skeptic until I had to write a paper on the subject on UFO's for my physics class back in the '80's. During that research, I stumbled upon reports and accounts that I never knew existed. What I found intriguing after reading various accounts by eye witnesses and their observed witnessing of UFO technology, that some of this talked technology is now being experimented on or has already been developed. Scientific papers are being written on this technology such as cloaking (bending light rays around an object), transporting objects from one point to another, the heat ray gun the military is testing now in Afghanistan, anti-gravity, night vision goggles, fiber optics and the list goes on and on. I don't just take one witnesses account as fact. To do research correctly you have to substantiate reports with other previous reports. Names and backgrounds have to be checked to make sure they're legitimate. Technology has never moved as fast since the end of the 80's. Heck the calculator was the most advanced piece of technology that the public could get their hands on for quite awhile. I've been researching this subject going on 30 years now. Open your-mind do the research, it's there!