Democrats to be slaughtered and they deserve it!

#1) All Politicians are bought and paid for.
They do not give a rats ass about you
or your family.they're in it for their own
reasons.Power,money,greed,ego.(sold their souls)
They answer only to the Bankers.
#2)The illusion of the vote is to
shut you up. make you think that
you have a "choice" YOU DO NOT.
Its the same game every four years,
lies,lies,lies and the new guys go
right on marching towards their New World Order.
while pretending to protest it.(like in wrestling, good guy; bad guy)
#3)You are a Terrorist if...
.You do not agree with they're policies.
.You are a Christian.oath keeper,tea party member etc.
.You are a member of any organization
that does not go along with the program.
.You have a certain kind of bumper sticker on you car.
Do i have to go on?
Hurry sheeple,run... and cast your all important Vote !!!

reply to post by Stewie


OP might I ask why you'd like to review all of the dual citizens?

My wife is a dual citizen, and the United States for all intents and purposes does not recognize her UK citizenship, and vice-versa. It's a complicated process but I don't really understand how it would be a dangerous or damaging issue.

Thank you mate

reply to post by ProjectJimmy

Only the ones in government, especially the federal government in unelected positions. Also, the authors of all presidential executive orders...who are they, and do they have dual citizenship?
No one in the executive branch should be able to make law, not even the president. Since it has happened, let's know all of the details and perhaps we can get this crap stopped.

WELL THE DEMS ARE WEAK. REPUCBLICANS NEED TO SEND MEXICO A MESSAGE BY CLOSING THE DAMN BORDERS. THEY WILL DO SO IF AND WHEN THEY WIN.

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We definitely need specialized combat personnel that will take the fight across the border when the attackers retreat, patrolling hot spots and able to mobilize and move at a moments notice.
Otherwise, a relatively small problem will mushroom into a very large one requiring troop deployments all along the border.

Originally posted by Stewie
reply to post by ProjectJimmy

 

Only the ones in government, especially the federal government in unelected positions. Also, the authors of all presidential executive orders...who are they, and do they have dual citizenship?
No one in the executive branch should be able to make law, not even the president. Since it has happened, let's know all of the details and perhaps we can get this crap stopped.

Hmm alright, well my wife is probably never going to work in government, she's quite happy with the private sector and I doubt that fashion brand marketing is ever going to be made a cabinet-level position haha.

If I may assume, your issue here is that those with dual-citizenship have divided loyalties. Well that can be be true in some cases, but I do wonder if a witch-hunt is the best way to find if there are such people in the American government.

Now being someone not in your nation, it does seem to me that the US is acting in the interest of their country first and foremost in most all things, which is good. I'll never be one of those people to say that the US should act in the interest of another nation at the detriment to their own, no country should.

The support of Israel I think is a special case though, and has just as much or more to do with religious reasons as political ones. There is of course a voter block in the US that rabidly supports Israel because they see it as part of the End-Times prophecy. This is not to say though that this is the only reason, and I do see where one could be concerned that political pressure is being exerted by insiders.

Now personally, I don't think the US should support Israel nearly as closely as it does, but the reasons for it are large and complex, and anyone to suggest that in D.C. would catch hell from many sides, not just insiders.

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Well actually . . . when it comes to your opinion of "criminal" I have to disagree, Republicraps are good at wagging wars and killing people as much as democrats that agree with war policies.

But yes you are right, Democ rats will lose congress.

Be-careful how you show your anger at Democ rats, after all Republicraps are just the same.

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It is a matter of loyalties.
It is in the best interest of Israel for Americans to send vast amounts of money to Israel, and to provide multi millions in military aid, and to fight middle eastern wars with American citizens/blood.
Actually, I don't really believe it IS in their interest, but obviously THEY do, but that is beside the point.
I DO realize it is not ALL about Israel, of course, nothing is that black and white.
But, it is no secret that money buys influence in Washington. Now, the tragic thing is when taxpayers are giving money to a foreign government that is actively buying influence in Washington. How is that again? We give more to Israel than any other country and Israel (Jewish interests) spend more lobbying than any other country.
It is not just Washington, if you speak out against the Israelis you are censored. Everyone knows how it works, but it doesn't mean we have to continue to live with it. Awareness is the first step, and it is happening.
Around the world it appears, that is why I say I really don't believe it is actually in Israels best interest, in the long run, to alienate the world as it were.

reply to post by marg6043

True, but both Democrats and Republicans are people. Who is the person behind the label? Who is funding the person?
To get beyond the label we have to have those answers. It is not really rocket science. I have said it before, they should be forced to wear patches like NASCAR drivers do reflecting who their sponsors are. That would certainly help those that don't dig very deep into politics, and it CSpan might be a little more entertaining.

Originally posted by Stewie
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It is a matter of loyalties.
It is in the best interest of Israel for Americans to send vast amounts of money to Israel, and to provide multi millions in military aid, and to fight middle eastern wars with American citizens/blood.
Actually, I don't really believe it IS in their interest, but obviously THEY do, but that is beside the point.
I DO realize it is not ALL about Israel, of course, nothing is that black and white.
But, it is no secret that money buys influence in Washington. Now, the tragic thing is when taxpayers are giving money to a foreign government that is actively buying influence in Washington. How is that again? We give more to Israel than any other country and Israel (Jewish interests) spend more lobbying than any other country.
It is not just Washington, if you speak out against the Israelis you are censored. Everyone knows how it works, but it doesn't mean we have to continue to live with it. Awareness is the first step, and it is happening.
Around the world it appears, that is why I say I really don't believe it is actually in Israels best interest, in the long run, to alienate the world as it were.

Well I do surely agree with you to a point, it's not at all in the interest of the US to keep supporting Israel with all of the massive funding and weapons they give them. It's a drain on the US and it creates a never-ending supply of enemies. It's a very much loosing proposition for America.

What I am saying though is that this is not just a matter of expansionist Zionist Settler influence, but also that of the Christian Right. You've got crazy people from both Christian and Jewish sources that are getting tons of influence to keep the US involved and backing Israel.

To be honest the Religious-Right, Zionist Settler alliance that has been formed is just baffling to me! The Settlers want to return Israel to ancient boundaries, which is really one of those things that is up for debate and can be said to be whatever they want.

The Christian Right side wants the second coming of Jesus and the destruction of the Jewish people with the exception of a select few thousand who live in a cave and convert. These don't seem like the most compatible of goals but of course faith makes strange bedfellows and neither side believes that the end result of the other will come true.

Sadly it seems America is getting dragged along for the ride by religious radicals wishing to enact ancient religious prophecy in one of the world's most explosive regions. It's insane, and sounds more like the plot of a Bond movie than something that is actually happening!

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Yes, you have a good point.
I am really not sure what can be done about that problem, frankly.
(and I usually have an answer for everything)

Originally posted by Stewie
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Yes, you have a good point.
I am really not sure what can be done about that problem, frankly.
(and I usually have an answer for everything)

Me neither to be honest, when religion and policy come together like this, it's hard to separate them again. The money involved is massive, and those do buy candidates in the current system on both sides of the spectrum. Hopefully the US will eventually see the issue for what we already have here in Europe and get out of it, but that will probably take a lot of time and some really good investigative journalism (which is hard to do when anyone that speaks out against US-Israeli relations gets hammered without mercy for it.)

It took Israel stealing fighter designs from the French for them to really get pissed off, but I think it will take a lot more for most Americans to realize it's not in their best interest.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
You do know that nothing from this post of yours has anything to do with the financial crises or how the Democratic congress caused the recession? You just argued that the Democrats held a racist past, much in contradiction to what they stand for now

So SG what is that you think they stand for now?
If you really believe that they have changed that much then you have totally lost touch with reality. Please tell me what Affirmative Action and entitlement programs have actually done to help anyone. These programs are intended to hold people back. They are meant to keep them DEPENDENT on those who dole them out. Open your eyes.

and just furthered my point towards Stewie? Why don't you stop and actually read, thanks.

I figured you would have took my advice and got help with your reading comprehension by now, but it is ok, a lot of people seem to have the same problem as you. Thanks.
You were replying to ME when you asked for the difference between the Dems of then and the Dems of now.

You might of asked Stewie in a previous post but then YOU asked ME. So I told you.

Oh, you mean the so called progressives that opposed the 1964 civil rights act ending segregation? Those 'progressives' that left the Democratic party for the Republican party?

No, I meant what I said, watch the video you posted.

So you are blaming the Democrats for passing the civil rights act before the Republicans did? Yes many Republicans supported the civil rights act as with the Democrats, but most opposed it at the time. The Republicans used what they called the Southern strategy:

Where are you getting your version of history SG? So you think in 1960 the democrats and republicans just magically swapped places? Do you ever wonder what might have brought this about? They found a better way Bro
well for them at least not so much for the rest of us.

It was called "the southern strategy," started under Richard M. Nixon in 1968, and described Republican efforts to use race as a wedge issue -- on matters such as desegregation and busing -- to appeal to white southern voters.

www.washingtonpost.com...

How does something cooked up by tricky Dick in 1968 have anything to do with the Civil Rights movement in 1964?

Here was the Republican party presidential nominee Barry Goldwater in 1964:

The least you could do is read a little about the man before you automatically jump to the left about him. You might see that you have several things in common with him.

The Republicans prior to the 60's atleast stood for liberty as they did in the 19th century, that all changed with the Southern shift and in turn the Southern strategy. As for the old Democrats? Anybody who argues that the old Democrats held better positions in the interest of the people then than at current are over their heads, and your arguments so clearly put it to my point.

I have heard several times that "I am making your point for you" but as of yet I still do not see where you have a point.
The Democrats where known Racist. That is what the party was MADE for to begin with. Now those higher up are racist but not so well known for it. They call these entitlement programs "social programs" just to get unknowing liberals behind them.

What does the civil rights act of 1964 have to do with entitlement programmes again?

Nothing, It has to do with those that past and why THEY past it.

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You took the words right out of my mouth. I just wish everyone else would recognize that voting every 2 or 4 years has little to no impact on the big issues. I'm only 25 and during the 3 presidency's that I actually remember I've seen nothing change (nothing that really impacts the lives of us peasants anyway). You can polish the turd all you want but it still smells the same.


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Originally posted by Quadrivium
So SG what is that you think they stand for now?

The Democrats claim that they stand for many things, but they proved how corrupted they were in 2009 as the Republicans were when they failed to pass the Public Option and remove the Patriot Act. That being said when it comes to this argument that the Democrats are no longer representitive of the people as they were prior to the 60's, I have to ask myself just what was different? Because aside from the significant social issue of the 60's, the Democratic party had hardly changed in policy over the 20th century towards this day.

What are the Republicans to you? Because it appears the OP is banking on them to win, and you seem to be right in line.

If you really believe that they have changed that much then you

I never believed Obama would 'change the world' or my own life, neither did he promise this. The financial crises was decades in the making and it came about in most due to the selfishness and greed of the people, it came about over this deluded idea that the markets can be responsible over themselves and the economy. No amount of effort from the government could have ended the crises as it stands now. I do believe that had McCain won we'd still be stuck in the Iraq war along such policies as DADT firmly in place. I believe that such issues as stem cell research, the preservation of those rights of a woman over her own body, and efforts in healthcare would have never come about under a McCain presidency. This healthcare bill in my opinion does little to nothing to solve crises infact it only serves the healthcare corporations. However certain policies contained within the healthcare bill such as the law in prohibiting 'pre-existing conditions' criteria for people needing healthcare insurance was an important step in my opinion. McCain and Palin would have had none of it.

Please tell me what Affirmative Action and entitlement programs have actually done to help anyone.

The affirmative action measure came about a year after the 1964 civil rights act, I never stated support for it. I actually believe affirmative action did not do much to change the racial income gap. For the most part society has to change itself, government cannot do it for them so no you will not have be arguing this with you.

You were replying to ME when you asked for the difference between the Dems of then and the Dems of now.

I told you to pick up where stewie left off, in answering why the old Democrats were more representitive of the people then as opposed to the current state of the party now. You then decided to go on about the history of racism behind the party, which only furthered the point I was going to make.

No, I meant what I said, watch the video you posted.

So in otherwards you are saying that the Democrats were the better party prior to 1964? While highlighting that they were a racist party prior to the 60's?

Lets go back to the segment of the OP:
These Democrats are really not true Democrats, they are not JFK Democrats, these people are just plain criminal.

The Democrats at the time of JFK were no different from the Democrats today interms of significant national policies. At the time of JFK the corporate tax rate was just above 90%, a far cry from the current tax rate at 35%, or that of 31% under Reagan. JFK also increased the minimum wage through a federal move and was a strong supporter for government involvement in healthcare. Kennedy debated strongly against Nixon in favour of medicare.

So, for all the complaints from you and from Stewie over this government and its 'socialist policies' I have to ask myself what the motive is behind favouring the Democrats then over the Democrats now. Because the only issue that comes to mind for me was the civil rights act of 64', or the differences in faces in the whitehouse.

So you think in 1960 the democrats and republicans just magically swapped places? Do you ever wonder what might have brought this about? They found a better way Bro

Did they magically swap places in the 60s? No, but there was a great voter migration between both parties. The Southern voter block which was the engine for the Democratic party prior to the 60's packed up and left for the Republican party following the civil rights act of 64'. Today the Southern vote makes up the largest chunk of the Republican party. The size of the Southern vote in the Republican party and the African american vote in the Democratic party should be evident enough to the significance of that great voter migration.

And as for your comment that those southern voters 'found a better way', are you to make the claim that those Southern voters leaving had little to do with the civil rights act 64? Can you explain this further? I am more interested in what excuse you may be able to gather.

How does something cooked up by tricky Dick in 1968 have anything to do with the Civil Rights movement in 1964?

What doesnt it have to do? The Southern block of voters were strongly Democrat prior to the 64' civil rights act, and following the passing of that bill the Republicans saw the opportunity to bring in those white Southern voters who no longer supported the Democrats because of that. It is really not hard to understand.

The least you could do is read a little about the man before you automatically jump to the left about him. You might see that you have several things in common with him.

I have no doubt there are some things I may have in common with Barry Goldwater, but that does not excuse the fact he opposed the 1964 civil rights act and felt that segregation or liberty was a 'states' issue. Do you agree that your right to have a gun is the issue of your state? Can your state rightfully strip your constitutional rights away?

I have heard several times that "I am making your point for you" but as of yet I still do not see where you have a point.

My point to Stewie from his OP was that the Democrats prior to the 60's, even during JFK, were largely pro-segregation and even further before that they were pro-slavery. You only furthered this fact in your previous points about previous Democrat attempts to block off any progress for black and other minority Americans.

The Democrats where known Racist. That is what the party was MADE for to begin with.

Exactly. That is why this argument that the Democrats prior to the 60's represented more of our views doesn't sit well with me. I am glad you agree.

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SG,
It would seem that our lines of communication have gotten crossed.
When you asked me how the Democrats were different now than they were prior to 1960, I gave you my opinion on the matter.
Which was, they are smarter now and this was mostly because the Progressives have pretty much taken over the party.
They were openly racist before 1960. They are still racist now only not so open about it. They use so called "social programs" (entitlement programs) to hold certain people back. They give these people enough to keep them dependent on them in order to ensure their Votes. But these programs are hurting more than helping. They are still basically slaves.
The republican party is not much better today. And it's not like I am pushing any republicans for office but we do need New people in office. And with those new people we need Term Limits. This will not end the corruption but it will reduce it as there will be no more career politicians.
As far as a lot of your political views, as stated in the first part of your post, mine are almost completely opposite. But that is one of the greatest things about this country. We can disagree and share our feelings about those disagreements.
It is my opinion that we need a lot less government, that there should be no government run health care. The government should not run anything but the military. they seem to ruin everything else.
I am glad that the public option did not pass and I hope the health care bill gets overturned. There are better ways to deal with it.
As far as Barry Goldwater goes...... I think he would have made a good president. He constantly promoted the Civil Rights Bill prior to '64. He let his dislike for Johnson get in the way of his better judgment at the time.
He was still for the bill, just not in the way the Democrats wanted to do it.
It is my opinion (no proof) that he saw them trying to rush it through just so that they would get the minority vote.
I did not like the dems then and I do not like them now. I can admit though that they made a smart move in the 60's, for their Party, not for the Country.
Peace
Quadrivium

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Oh my, I thought you would just rant about the Dems, but you're so right about your ideas,
----there should be a real 9-11 commission , not this staged group of people who saw no problem with a dozen guys diverting 4 airplanes in the most protected airspace in the world.
----there should be a review of all dual citizenships. I am appalled by the way some tourists/immigrants/illegals pop out kids in your country for the sake of citizenship. Israelis should not be considered friends anymore, as they have their own agenda and are not afraid anymore of letting the people know. They already control the media and parts of any administration you guys ever had, so it's gonna be a tough fight.
----prosecute the Wall Street criminals : I agree, but if you close every golf country club in the US it will hurt them more than a decade of court hearings and tons of long, stupid paperwork.

Thanks for throwing those ideas, OP.

Hurray the Republicans are comming back, just what the world needs a bunch of closed minded gun nuts!
No I just jest, doesn't really matter who is in power, te screw us all.