Democrats to be slaughtered and they deserve it!

Democrats deserve to be slaughtered, but we deserve the Republicans in their place? You seem to have forgotten the previous administration and their actions, but then again can't say I'm surprised you have such a short memory.

Originally posted by Stewie
They of course deserve it. These Democrats are really not true Democrats, they are not JFK Democrats,

Obviously you are not fimiliar with the policies of John F Kennedy, so I am surprised by the least that you are saying this. Its interesting as I have been hearing this argument more so lately, that the Democrats of today are not like the Democrats prior to the 60's. I mean the economic policies of the Democratic has virtually been the same since the 20th century so? Enlighten us about the differences between the Democrats then and the Democrats now that you claim?

In fact, is is certainly not just Democrats. But, one "foe" at a time,

Ah, so you are advocating for the exact thing we have been doing for over a century now. We run back and forth between both parties and we punish ourselves in the process. Ok.

But, it appears that the Republican ideology is more in line with the majority of the people.

really now?

Is privatizing medicare and welfare inline with the majority of people?
Is forcing a woman to have her rapist child in line with the majority of the people?
Is ending that fundalmental seperation between church and state the will of the people?

I see this as the will of a very vocal fringe minority. But then again even if the Republicans gain power you well and truly believe they are going to change anything?

TAKE BACK REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT CONGRESS!

That is laughable. You actually believe the Republicans will make a difference for you if they win. But then again maybe your concern has little to do with the real issues as opposed to whos face is in congress. In that case maybe they will represent yours and others interests here. You folks certainly kept silent following the patriot act and the iraq war under Bush anyway.

Dem, Repub, or Ind, they are all the same anymore.
I will only vote for those that will uphold the constitution and try to bring our deficit down. But these people lie so bad that it is hard to say what they will do once in office.
I do not agree with Misoir though.
I believe that most of the Social Programs, of today, are a noose around America's Neck.
They are dragging us down. You have a lot of people who cheat the system for a living and they are allowed to do this because it brings in votes. These people have been made slaves to the system and are being used.
I also do not believe it would be a good idea to raise anyone's taxes now, rich or poor. This is not the answer.
Getting people off of social programs and working is the answer.
Stop sending our jobs away is the answer.
Stop the free trade act that started with Bush #1's "Thousand Points of Light" is the answer.
Stopping Ear Marks and wasteful spending is the answer.
TERM LIMITS are the answer.
COMMON SENSE is the answer.
AMERICA's PEOPLE are the answer. If all of us would just come together.
Once America gets back on her feet and the majority of it's populace is working, then we raise taxes. But not on corporations because we want the jobs to remain in the US.
How high would taxes need to be raised now to make a dent in the deficit? Keep in mind how many people do not even pay taxes because they are out of work or have never worked.
America has become a Consumer Nanny State and it is gonna take a heap of work to turn it around.

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I know, these bankers literally own the world. They enslave this country and many others with massive debt. Just imagine how much lower our taxes would be if just this problem alone was addressed.

reply to post by Ashes of the wake

Look at what France is doing. They are promoting a run on the banks for Dec. 7th!! GO FRANCE!!

Take away their money and you take away their power.. If we stop listening to them, and start GOVERNING ourselves, we will take the power away from them.

Start local. DO IT! Influencing state government to take power back from the feds is one answer. There are many, think positive.

reply to post by Stewie


The reason France is able to have a run on the banks plan is due to their heavy solidarity through Labor and Trade Unions. Although I prefer Guilds over Unions I definitely enjoy the ideas of solidarity and organizing for an important cause. France has been known to take things to the extreme over policies and actions everyone else would just shrug off.

1968 French Crisis

It was the only time a developed country was literally taken to the brink of collapse both politically and economically as President Charles De Gaulle was almost forced to resign because the protests/riots because so powerful.

reply to post by Ashes of the wake


In certain cases where your Elected Officials Ignore or simply Refuse to listen to your Justified Concerns about how we as a People are Governed , then Civil Disobedence is one Option to be used to counteract their Indifference . Peaceful Protests can be an effective tool if done in a well Organized manner , and constantly Voicing a Displeasure about a Policy or Unjust Law will eventually have to be Addressed in a Free Society by those in Authority . The Civil Rights and Anti Viet Nam War Movements are cases in point where Confrontation can make a Peoples Voices Heard Loud and Clear by those who are Indifferent to those Concerns .

reply to post by Misoir

Now, this is the M that I respect!

A minor disagreement. Capitalism is not inherently a bad thing, it is only as "good" as the people are. I don't believe you can make enough laws, or the right laws, to keep self-serving corruptible people from acquiring positions of trust. The will corrupt any economic system you can devise if you let them.
It takes "we the people" to make ANY government work by remaining ever vigilant. We cannot relinquish our resolve for self-determination, the rights to educate our youth, yet WE HAVE.
That, my friend, is the core issue, imo.

reply to post by Southern Guardian

Southern Guardian,
put down your torch, take off your robe and join the conversation.
You might enjoy it!

Here is the ATS thread on the bank run scheduled for Dec. 7, 1941, er, 2010. Sorry.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Interesting thread.

Hello Southern Guardian,
Just a couple problems with your post.
1)First I will say that I was not a big fan of Bush #2. With that being said can you pinpoint the exact time, during his Administration, that the Economy really started to tank?
It seems that a lot of people seem to forget which party took over congress in '06. Oh it was not great before but it really went south afterwards.
(Lol your gonna love this one SG)
2)Would you mind showing me where the phrase "separation of Church and State" is in the Constitution?

reply to post by Stewie


Here is something to think about:

"Man is neither Rousseau’s noble savage nor the Church’s or La Rochefoucauld’s depraved sinner. He is violent when oppressed, gentle when free."

"Warning: ambitious careerists may now be disguised as “progressives.”"

~ May 1968, Socialist/Anarchist Uprising in France.

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by Misoir

Rousseau would be a Democrat today. Musician, orphan, had illegitimate children....

Just joking M.
The times sure are interesting.

Originally posted by Stewie
reply to post by Southern Guardian

 

Southern Guardian,
put down your torch, take off your robe and join the conversation.

I'v joined the conversation you decided to start. You seem to be running away from what was a response to your OP. So why not respond? Thanks.

Originally posted by Stewie



But, YOUR left is a fiction, just as YOUR definition of me as "right wing" is a fiction as well.

Yes I am a left leaning patriot vet and proud of it. And I don't care if you insult me like you just did either. I too am a businessman entrepreneur for over 30years. Also well armed and a fiscal conservative in many areas. But above all I am a realist/pragmatist and see the current call for violence by Beck, Rush, Sean, Savage, ORilley, Palin against the left.
Of course they don't outright call for violence but only a fool can't see them for the Facists they are. This is the current trend in American politics; not tolerance and comprimise thru the voting booth and a bringing together for the common good. But hatred and vitreol as exemplified by the Rand Paul rally of unnecessary abuse of that young woman and the rationalization that she deserved it. That's the paradime in America today.

Your headline for your thread perfectly exemplifies the attitudes in America today!

"Democrats to be slaughtered and they deserve it!"
Do you think we can't see the hidden hatred in this? But not really hidden at all is it! At least you were more honest than Rush and Beck.



The parallels to Nazi Germany and the scapegoating are uncanny.

This is one Democrat [recently switched from the GOP] that will fight Right wing Fascism with all my being. Bring it....

Originally posted by Quadrivium
Hello Southern Guardian,
Just a couple problems with your post.
1)First I will say that I was not a big fan of Bush.

Being a big Bush fan is not so popular these days, as you may be well aware.

With that being said can you pinpoint the exact time, during his Administration, that the Economy really started to tank?

The economy tanked in September of 2008. It did not happen under this administration, so while you may criticize this administration over its actions, it did not happen under this presidents watch, just as the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

It seems that a lot of people seem to forget which party took over congress in '06.

And you'd argue that in just 20 months the worst recession since the depression occured by the Democratic majority? That is a gamble of an argument if there ever was one. Can you tell us here what laws were exactly passed by the Democrats that caused this mess between 2007-2008, thankyou.

2)Would you mind showing me where the phrase "separation of Church and State" is in the Constitution?

The phrase 'seperation of church and state' does not exist, but there is a constitutional law clearly stating that congress cannot establish religious or any law respecting any religion. It's as clear as day, and it has been shown to you on numerous occasions. I cannot help you if you choose to ignore it.

Now maybe you can pick off where your friend left off? What is the difference between the Democrats prior to the 60s and the Democrats of today? Thanks.

Yeah man lets vote the Gambinos out and vote in the Genoveses and every thing will be great... LOL!

Honestly the Naivety of the majority of people is just insane...

Originally posted by Stewie
reply to post by whaaa

 

I don't consider myself your "right wing" foe, though you obviously do.
I have a small business I will probably lose. I have worked twenty plus years to be able to pay my own way while helping others. (Really.)
I hate war, I think it destroys the human spirit and is almost always totally unnecessary. I believe in self-defense, the kind that will put an intruder 6 feet under.

I feel your pain bro, I lost everything, my business, my house, all thanks to the real estate bubble pop. # sucks, I am just lucky enough to had a house fully paid for up here in canada to fall back on. Property taxes are less than 500 a year here, paid more than that a month back in NY. I feel for my fellow construction workers that don't have a place to go

Originally posted by Stewie
reply to post by bobs_uruncle

 

So true,
but we have to do something. We have to channel our energy into positive change. We cannot be in perpetual reaction mode, reacting to an out of control government. We have to find a way to get representative government back. One country at a time if need be.
I can tell you, I do.

One thing I learned a long time ago in the killing fields halfway around the world that a desperate man reacts and a determined man acts. Reacting to a problem, opponent or situation is simply a "pary of swords" and nothing moves forwards or backwards, it's just holding your own, whereas acting is moving forward and finishing the battle. As long as one is reacting, they are being controlled by their opponent.

The other thing is that their are no coincidences, there is only happenstance and enemy action. Perfect paranoia is perfect awareness ;-) My CO (the Chief of CI) gave me that little gem.

You can't do one country at a time as you end up having the "weight" of all the central bank controlled (read Rothschild controlled) countries against you. Then your country becomes a rogue nation and global pariah. If 20% to 80% of countries changed to true republics at one time, you end up with WWIII. If 90% of countries changed at one time to true republics, central fractional reserve banking could be outlawed and all of the perps, bankers and politicians, brought to justice.

Time to kick the tires and light the fires yet?

Cheers - Dave

Originally posted by DarkRedSoda
Destruction of the economy we shall do again; a must before the Liberal prosper and surplus of the economy was to occur!!

Out of the last ten years, the Democrats have led Congress six of them. President Bush has been out of office for two years and the Democrats will say that 8 years of Bush detroyed America.

All I see is a bunch of contradicting factors.

America can be fixed. the question is, will the American people allow it to be fixed? (keeping people on unemployment isn't the answer)

reply to post by Southern Guardian

What's the difference between democrats of the 1960's and Today?

They are a lot smarter for one.
Or the progressives that joined them in 1960-1964 were smarter.
They switched from the republicans to the Dems during this time.
I say they were smarter because they found a way to get themselves put in power and to give a lot of the Dems, of the time what they wanted as well.
An enslaved Minority and their vote to boot.
It all started in the 1930's with the "New Deal". Once it was passed, many minorities switched over to the Dem party ( a little known fact: prior to the New Deal almost all Minorities were Republican).
Anyway, the Progressives in the republican party were able to look back almost 30 years and see the "minority shift". They teamed up with the Top Dems and passed the Civil Rights bill in '64 (something the republicans had been trying to pass for years but were always blocked by the dems).
There were still some dems who could not see the big picture but they were small in numbers and could not block the bill.
So today we have a lot of the minorities enslaves by the state (entitlement programs) and their vote goes to the party that keeps them there. Pretty smart of them huh?
Read the following and you will get a clearer picture. Prior to 1960 most Dems were openly racist. Now they still have slaves but blame others for the racism, that's where the progressive "social programs" come in.

In 1789, Congress passes, and George Washington signs into law, a bill stating that no territory could become a state if it allowed slavery.

In 1792, the Democrat Party is formed. They are the party that promotes and seeks the continuance of slavery.

In 1808, Congress abolishes the slave trade in America.

In 1818, the Democrats become the majority in Congress. Using their majority, they begin to undo the 1808 and other anti-slavery decisions.

In 1820, the Democrat Party passes the Missouri Compromise, institutionalizing slavery in half of the territories.

For thirty years, Democrats pass multiple laws promoting and protecting slavery, culminating in 1850 with the Fugitive Slave Law. This law takes away all rights to jury trials, representation, and habeas corpus from any black who is so much as accused of being a slave.

In 1854, Democrats pass the Kansas-Nebraska act, opening up those territories to slavery, thus exceeding even the limits of the Missouri Compromise.

In 1854, the Republican party is formed to end slavery. Six of the nine planks in their fledgling platform statement deal with civil rights issues.

In 1857, the Supreme Court rules in Dred Scott v. Sanford that blacks are considered inferior and thus not covered by the phrase "all men" in the Declaration of Independence; that they are property covered by the 5th Amendment; and that no black—not even a free black—could ever become a citizen of the United States. The Democrats support the decision.

In 1861, Abraham Lincoln is inaugurated, and the anti-slavery Republican Party now controls the Executive Branch. The Democrat Party, in complete control of the South, splits the nation asunder and causes a war in order to maintain slavery. Innumerable horrors and 650,000 deaths are required to free the slaves and restore the union.

In 1865, Republicans pass the 13th Amendment, ending slavery.
100% of Republicans vote for it.
Even among northern Democrats, it receives the support of only 23%.

In spite of the 13th Amendment, Southern Democrats continue to deny blacks their citizenship rights, so...

In 1868, the 14th Amendment was passed, establishing citizenship and equal protection for all in Federal law.
100% of Republicans vote for it.
0% of Democrats vote for it.

In spite of the 14th Amendment, Southern Democrats continue to prevent blacks from enjoying the real fruits of this citizenship, especially the right to vote, so...

In 1869, the 15th Amendment is passed, establishing the right to vote for all people, regardless of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.
98% of Republicans vote for it.
3% of Democrats vote for it.

From 1866–1875, the Republican Congress passes 19 civil rights laws. Democrats oppose them all.

In 1875, in order to counter the Democrats' passage of Jim Crow laws, Republicans pass the most sweeping civil rights legislation ever—the Civil Rights Act of 1875. Eight years later, the Supreme Court (mostly Democrat appointees) declares the act unconstitutional.

In 1876, Democrats take control of the House of Representatives. No more meaningful civil rights legislation is passed until 1964.

In 1892, Democrats take control of the White House and the Senate, and they keep control of the House. They immediately begin establishing Jim Crow laws and repealing all civil rights legislation passed by the Republicans. Any laws or amendments they cannot repeal, they skirt with poll taxes and literacy tests.

Beginning after the War, and thenceforward until 1935, ALL blacks elected to Congress are Republicans. In addition to those elected to Federal office, hundreds of blacks—all of them Republicans—are elected to state legislatures in the South.

In 1866, Democrats form the KKK with the express purpose of preventing the election of Republicans in the South. Democrats admit—under oath in Congressional hearings in 1872—that the Klan is a Democrat creation intended to restore Democrat control of the South. The Klan carries out this plan by means of a series of massacres at Republican Party meetings.

In 1901, Republican President Theodore Roosevelt invites Booker T. Washington to the White House. Democrats and the media are outraged.

In the 1920s, Republicans propose anti-lynching legislation. The legislation passes the house but is killed by the Democrat-controlled Senate.

In 1947, Republican businessman Branch Rickey, owner of the Brooklyn Dodgers, hires Jackie Robinson (also a Republican), thus integrating Major League Baseball.

In 1954, Republican Chief Justice Earl Warren (appointed by Republican Dwight Eisenhower) authors the desegregation decision of Brown v. Board of Education.

In 1956, Democrats express their opposition to Brown v. Board of Education in the "Southern Manifesto." One hundred and one members of Congress—all but four of them Democrats—sign the manifesto.

In 1957, Republican President Eisenhower authors a Civil Rights Bill, hoping to repair the damage done to blacks and their civil rights by Democrats since 1892. Passage of the bill is blocked by Senate Democrats. When the bill finally goes through, it is significantly weakened due to lack of support from Democrats.

In 1960, Republican Senator Everett Dirksen authors a Voting Rights Bill, again, in an effort to undo the disenfranchisement of blacks by Democrats through poll taxes, literacy tests, and threats of violence by the KKK. And once again, Senate Democrats attempt (though in the end unsuccessfully) to block passage of the bill.

In 1964, Congress passes, and President Lyndon Johnson signs into law, the Civil Rights Act of 1964. This is essentially the law originally authored by Eisenhower in 1957. Democrats, including still-serving Senator Robert Byrd (a former KKK member), employ a filibuster of the bill. Once the filibuster is overcome, a larger percentage of Republicans vote for passage than do Democrats.

In 1965, Congress passes, and President Lyndon Johnson signs into law, the Voting Rights Act of 1964. This is the law originally authored by Eisenhower in 1959. A filibuster is prevented, and passage of this bill also enjoys support from a greater percentage of Republicans than Democrats

If you would like more proof...... www.abovetopsecret.com...
Southern Guardian you may now dissect my post, take it out of context and twist it as much as you like (figured I would give you permission because your going to do it anyway).