ANOTHER POSSIBLE way of deciphering the message from Cassini/Saturn 2004?

Originally posted by dJbdJb
... and I think they (ETs) would send something clearer if they wanted to communicate with us.

D.

Why in the world would you say that? Thousands of Crop Circles, millions of UFO/ET/Alien encounters? Millions of Ghosts seen? Never a clear communication. Maybe that is the way you wish “they” would be.

It's hard to catch GOD.

Did you ever invent something? It is a Bitch --- God doesn't give up his secrets easily.

Originally posted by tallpaul1984
This is a very compelling thread indeed!!

I was just wondering however; you say you altered the pitch of the file in order to make it audible to human ears, I am just curious to know if it would make any difference to the image if it was displayed unaltered.


regards,

Paul

Hi Paul,

You're wrong cause you probably missed a small detail - it was the astronomers and scientists that already have processed the signal they received. THEY pitched it somewhat 40x times down so they could transfer the freqs received to sound that's audible by our ears. I only pitched it up two octaves to extend and squeeze horizontally the frequencies that were laying in the low freq spectrum (observed from the original file). And when I pitched it up two octaves, you can easily say it's equivalent to zooming in horizontally on the frequencies from the original sound, like zooming in on a picture (although in this case you work your way around PIXELIZATION that occur when zooming in too much on an image).

After taking the image of the inverted spectrogram, copying it to ms paint and shrinking it horizontaly it looks to me like one of those heads on easter island, any one else??

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/b81aa95fbcc9.jpg[/atsimg]

Originally posted by dJbdJb
Could the symmetry not have been added by the software that you recorded the sound with? I'm not saying that you did it on purpose to hoax us or anything, but it could just be accidental.

Hear me out...

The original sound was in mono, and you recorded it from youtube onto whatever software you used. If you are recording in stereo, then the mono signal will be duplicated on to 2-track stereo resulting in two identical tracks (symmetry). It will automatically do this so that the sound isn't only coming out of one speaker. You should try it recording other mono signals on to stereo.

Personally I think you're all looking for things that aren't there. I've had a good scan of the image, and I think they (ETs) would send something clearer if they wanted to communicate with us.

D.

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Hi D.

The audio I worked on wasn't downloaded from youtube, it was downloaded from the Cassini original website, so it's the closest to original source we can get. It is in mono and I have worked it in mono. You can see this by watching the video I upped and noticing how both the left and right channel always go together. Also, what you're seeing here can't be resulting from stereo sound. First, because there's no such, and second, because such symmetry can't be produced by combining the left and right signals into mono and then feeding it through a spectrogram, UNLESS, the left and right signal are tonal mirrors of each other. In plain English, this means that if you have an A-B-C-D note/frequency/tone pattern in your left channel, you will need the exact opposite, D-C-B-A pattern to be present in the same time.

I'm only explaining this fyi, as it is important to show how these could've emerged in various ways, however, this way is not relevant to the subject.

Thanks for your input, as this was something I already thought about but haven't written anywhere yet.

Also, there's no possible way my software to have accidentally created those mirror frequencies with this certain signal only. Remember, I've been doing this for the last 10 years and I would've seen the same discrepancy appear at least once.

EDIT - also when speaking about MONO, this is not exactly symmetry, at least not mirror. When having MONO signal you have two 100% identical signals playing in both your left and right speaker. This, however, doesn't imply MIRROR symmetry as shown in the spectrogram. Because the second signal should've been inverted to the total opposite of the first signal. Which automatically excludes MONO as the signals that will be playing will be totally different from one another in spectral characteristics, making them 100% different in audible aspect.

Hello all!
I have been a hardcore lurker for many years and this is my first reply.
I am normally a lot more interested in the philosophical side of these matters
but since i had a little less to do today than usual i dug into this, for fun.

As i've been working in the audio/visual field for many years i am too very familiar
with spectrographs and their characteristics. What i immediately found striking with
this item when i loaded it in photoshop was that it appears to show signs of "SSTV" like
decoding. Since the original spectrogram was visibly stretched i compressed it to nearly
1x1 pixel ratio for studying and found that the visual patterns concieved bears little resemblance
to image data gathered from normal "random" transmissions or bursts of sounds. This may seem
unimportant to the untrained eye but it definitely caught my attention. I am not making any assumptions
as far as supposed source of transmission goes but to anyone familiar with spectrographs/metasynth this
deserves a good look into.

In obtaining the following image i thought the other way around, as the two halves of the frequency range obviously reflect the same data mirrored. I focused on just one half of the spectrum:



This is where you would normally expect broken up waves of lines and static. Fascinating!
Looks like a.. dog? Anyway, hope i've been able to at least mildly amuse you with my "research".

Have a good day!

s+f !

this is a pretty cool thread!

thanks for the software conversion links guys. i will def delve into this stuff!

i wonder if the nasa guys already thought of this stuff, tho.

with the movie contact being so old.

i wonder about trying whales and dolphins songs, too.



www.abovetopsecret.com...#

here is a tune i made using saturns "music".

really cool sci-fi sounds from there!

Originally posted by ch1n1t0

Hi D.

The audio I worked on wasn't downloaded from youtube, it was downloaded from the Cassini original website, so it's the closest to original source we can get. It is in mono and I have worked it in mono. You can see this by watching the video I upped and noticing how both the left and right channel always go together. Also, what you're seeing here can't be resulting from stereo sound. First, because there's no such, and second, because such symmetry can't be produced by combining the left and right signals into mono and then feeding it through a spectrogram, UNLESS, the left and right signal are tonal mirrors of each other. In plain English, this means that if you have an A-B-C-D note/frequency/tone pattern in your left channel, you will need the exact opposite, D-C-B-A pattern to be present in the same time.

I'm only explaining this fyi, as it is important to show how these could've emerged in various ways, however, this way is not relevant to the subject.

Thanks for your input, as this was something I already thought about but haven't written anywhere yet.

Also, there's no possible way my software to have accidentally created those mirror frequencies with this certain signal only. Remember, I've been doing this for the last 10 years and I would've seen the same discrepancy appear at least once.

EDIT - also when speaking about MONO, this is not exactly symmetry, at least not mirror. When having MONO signal you have two 100% identical signals playing in both your left and right speaker. This, however, doesn't imply MIRROR symmetry as shown in the spectrogram. Because the second signal should've been inverted to the total opposite of the first signal. Which automatically excludes MONO as the signals that will be playing will be totally different from one another in spectral characteristics, making them 100% different in audible aspect.

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Ah right, I get it now. That IS weird then.

i just want to add a few thoughts on this subject, as i have been constantly looking at the images, and the date and posts, and my mind just seems to go for a walk on all tangents.

i wanted to say, that i think i saw somewhere in this post, or a related one someone arguing that saturn is no environment for life, but who is to say that the original message came from saturn?
the signal picked up could be getting transmitted from some kind of small satalite that has crashed onto the planet, or got stuck within its rings, and has ended its journey from its source. we could be looking a lot farther away than our own solar system as being the original message senders home.

just imagine a small planet somewhere in the voids of space, wondering if they are alone. they decide to send out a small probe to travel long distances, with the hope it may eventually get found by another race, who may be lucky enough to understand the message it contains... sound familiar?
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/d580ec4b9a91.jpg[/atsimg]

who is to say that this sound is not a similar kind of message being broadcast by a small probe, in the hope of getting out a message of contact. now, taking this a step further, as with our message sent out on pioneer, we are assuming that the finder will have the same senses as ourselves, relying on sight to be able to understand the message we have sent. maybe this signal is not meant to be translated into a simple picture. maybe it uses a different technology to be able to understand. how about the picture is able to be decoded into touch? maybe like a type of braille?
i just feel that we do need to open our minds to such options, and not assume that this should simply make up an image for our eyes.
the possibilities and options are near endless. it just relies on us finding the correct method to decipher and understand the message in the correct way.

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File: Dolphin1.jpg Dolphin through a spectrogram Copy and paste the URL removing the empty space between the : and the D symbols.

Also, a good read so one could see how natural sounds look like in a spectrogram - oceanexplorer.noaa.gov... . Note that in these spectrogram images frequencies are layed vertically, while the time-line is horizontal.

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Amazing on all of these images on yours and everyone else's... I see Tibetan Art work... try it for yourself...search Tibetan art work or Tibetan wall hangings.

I think this is the work of Buddha

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to me it resembles a map..like earths land mass. and yes i agree this thread is fasinating

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the possibilities and options are near endless. it just relies on us finding the correct method to decipher and understand the message in the correct way.


exactly! the only way we can truly tell if we are on the right track with this, is if we can correctly prove these

conversions.

our audio spectrum as humans is limited as opposed to, you name it!

with lots of things on this planet and universe, that make noise and vibration, we should be able to put 2 and 2 together.

sound >pictures and more info?

to me, it makes some sense when you don't have a common spoken language.

i wonder what the mona lisa sounds like, or a matisse or picasso or even hieroglyphs, e=MC2?

ya'll got the cc's covered!

Interesting, the actual source sound sounds like an intentional image. Good work OP, however, have you factored in radiowave reflection? Just like light, when a radio wave is reflected off a surface a weaker mirror image of that radiowave is created hence the reason for one side of your image being weaker than the other.

This paragraph led me to this conclusion

Echo effect - On Earth, lightning produces a similar low frequency radio signal. The radio waves then bounce back and forth between the ground and the upper reaches of our atmosphere. This echo effect enhances some frequencies and lets others die out, resulting in signals with precisely defined frequencies, similar to what was detected on Titan. The water ice that makes up Titan's exterior is a poor reflector of radio waves, so if the signal comes from an echo effect like that on Earth, there would have to be a more reflective material below the surface. An ocean of liquid water beneath the surface could do the job, the team says. "We do not need a subsurface ocean but require a subsurface reflector," Simoes told New Scientist. "If a subsurface ocean exists, the solid-liquid interface would be a good reflector."

Article on NS

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Amazing find! I am also currently going through some info in the same direction that I will share when I did enough research.

And don't forget, it was an image at first, then converted to sound, then converted to an image (by me) again. I haven't completely excluded that the mirorred symmetry is an artifact from the first or second conversions, however, that is highly unlikely, and would mean I've wasted the last 10 years of my life working with sound, cause I don't know (when speaking of sound and conversions) what would cause this

Still, what I consider to be likely, is this to be a kind of a reflection of the frequencies that preceeded any processing (meaning while or before the radio signal was captured). That's why I'm waiting for someone with more knowledge than me in the area of radio waves and frequencies, to tell us if it's possible for those to be reflected in such a manner as seen here?

If that, then it could very well be the explanation for the cause of the symmetry, and having the symmetry explained, explains also the content of the image that appear to be depict as crystal clear shapes and a message of some sort... But I'm still waiting for that someone to buzz in...


EDIT - If that would be the case, wouldn't we be observing such symmetries more than once?

EDIT - If that would be the case, wouldn't we be observing such symmetries more than once?

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I think we are seeing such things in your image - it looks like signal deamplification combined with reflection over a short amount of time i.e.origanal radio wave looks like this

ABCDABCD

reflected looks like this

dcbadcba

new reflection looks like

abcdabcd

so picture it like this over time
........... ..... .............
........ ... ...........
...... . .........
.... .......
.. .....
. ...
.
.
. ...
... .....
...... .........
........ . ...........
.......... ... .............
cutting it short

I think signal falloff thru mirroring makes art

Originally posted by theukbloke

EDIT - If that would be the case, wouldn't we be observing such symmetries more than once?

edit on 28-10-2010 by ch1n1t0 because: 2nd edit

I think we are seeing such things in your image - it looks like signal deamplification combined with reflection over a short amount of time i.e.origanal radio wave looks like this

ABCDABCD

reflected looks like this

dcbadcba

new reflection looks like

abcdabcd

........ . .........cutting it short

I think signal falloff thru mirroring makes art

You can't be serious. What it takes to make that complicated image, looking like lots of things is a super intellect. This is an Act of God, a miracle -- same thing.

You guys see a spiral in space and one on the face of the Sun – see the symmetry? No.

You see circles in the Crops – circles on the Sun – see the symmetry? No.

You guys are too educated. Take off your “sheep skins” and think.

God is talking to us.

A significant point to note is that the message is coming from Saturn.

Doing research on Saturn the planet in itself in historical context as well as physical appearance is quite an amusing trail of bread crumbs.

Apophenia with a heaping helping of confirmation bias at play here, big time..

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SF Thanks for the great post. I believe that it is possible for the universe to produce symetric shpes based on the types of frequenceies produced. If you look into alot of research that Hans Jenny did you will be able to see this. When researching natural vibrations in such methods as placing sand on a flat metalic surface and implamenting vibrational frequencies upon the surface with the sand it was noticed that natural vibrations created various symetric patterns.
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Originally posted by 11118


A significant point to note is that the message is coming from Saturn.

Doing research on Saturn the planet in itself in historical context as well as physical appearance is quite an amusing trail of bread crumbs.

The trail is nothing short of a “Miracle” – miracles are “Acts of God”.

Yes, that's significant that it is coming from Saturn --- because sending such a signal from that planet be hard -- for anyone except GOD.

Also, using the ET Corn Gods hidden language rules, the word "Saturn" decodes to an interesting combination of resulting translations.

God wrote on the Sun -- rings and other things, pictures of the Haitian island group at the time of the Haitian earthquake, then drawing of a pacific island group at the time there was an earth quake there, then the five pointed Olympic emblem at the time of the British Columbian Olympics.

God is saying: “Look you stupid guys on ATS, it is God talking to you.”