Why is it okay to discriminate against gay people?

The commonly thought as weak in society are the homosexuals, the blacks, the handicap and immigrants.
Just read up on history.

Originally posted by Skittle
The commonly thought as weak in society are the homosexuals, the blacks, the handicap and immigrants.
Just read up on history.

Not sure where you are going with this post??
Would you mind clarifying ?
Thanks much !

reply to post by jfj123

You're lumping a job qualification as discrimination. You're not understanding the difference. As example, under your definition of "discrimination", I would be discriminated against if I applied for a job as a brain surgeon but did not have the ability to carry out the job requirements. Do you understand the difference now ?????

I am not doing any "lumping", and it seems to be you that is confused. The U.S. military has a long list of requirements in accepting and allowing people to continue serving in the military. The military will not ask people straight out if they are homosexual, but if a person discloses this information, that information will be enough to disqualify them. This is not my policy, this is the military's policy. This policy falls under their miscellaneous provision of "questionable moral character" and under that category, sexual perversion. The military has deemed homosexual behavior to be sexual perversion, and if an applicant discloses they are homosexual, or it is found out after they have been accepted into the military that they are engaging in acts of homosexuality, this will disqualify them under this provision. It is just one of the many discriminatory practices that the military practices.

Your "interpretation" of my understanding of what discrimination is, is absurd. The military will discriminate against anyone not tall enough, or too tall, with too much body fat, any drug addiction, alcoholism, and several other questionable moral behaviors, including sexual perversity, and will not enlist new recruits who are over a certain age, among other discriminatory practices they employ, particularly when choosing new recruits. Their standards and practices have nothing at all to do with my opinions on the matter, nor do they have anything to do with your opinions. Their standards and practices are what they are, and the discrimination they employ goes well beyond homosexuality. It is that simple, and no matter how hard you try to equivocate, it will still remain that simple.

reply to post by minute2midnight


excuse me but are you, and pardon my language F*CKING RETARDED? and I mean that in the most discriminatory and vial way possible. How can you honestly believe that being gay is a choice? Of all the websites to be on to make that statement; one based on 'alternative' thinking and information then that of the norm, and you are stating, HERE, that being gay is a choice???

The only way that your statement would at all be remotely accurate is if you are stating the actual 'acts' of homosexual nature are a choice, as compared to the acts of heterosexual being a choice.

You know what, your ignorance does not even deserve my time and energy that could be spelled out in paragraphs laced with profanity in rebuttal to the statement you gave that only concludes how much of a bigot you are.

Wow, 2010, and that is your beliefs.... obviously you stem from southern bread KKK idiocy. Let me guess, you are also pulling for the New World Order circa 1984 Orwell?

reply to post by JJBB22


To openly state that you do not agree with your brothers homosexuality and that he knows that is pathetic. In your little bubble of 'right and wrong', if believing your brother's genetic traits make him WRONG then how can you precisely say 'however! my brother is gay and he knows of my thoughts on the matter , but he also knows I love and respect him for who he is. It is his life, and if he's happy, I am happy.' this is complete hypocrisy! You are a hypocrite.

Under this same believe system that you hold you must believe also believe that those born without limbs, or people who become handicapped in some way are contrary to conscience or morality or law, that they are not in accord, because justifiably this is not the way it should be in your nature. They are wrong human beings. Do you tell children in wheelchairs that you will never agree with them being being part of your nature because in the Garden of Eden people WALKED. Perhaps you could also add that they are choosing to be lazy because they are not using their limbs, and thus making them dead; that they disabled themselves. Yes, good job.

"We all have different beliefs and opinions and EVERYONE deserves to be treated with respect." - I hope for EVERYONE else's sake you are indeed talking about everyone else and not demanding your bigot beliefs deserve respect, and that, in topic, GAYS deserve to be treated with respect.

"I don't use my different beliefs (Christian - Non Denominational) to hate, or cause anger, I don't ridicule , nor do I belittle." - In an ignorant and closed minded way I can see how you actually could believe this statement to be true, however truth be told, your again a hypocrite. By you making it known to your brother that you believe the characteristics for which he can't control, that his laws of attraction, and ability to fall in love are all fundamentally wrong, and that you seem to spew out this ignorance against science itself in a seemingly proud manner are in fact ridicule. To try and dis-ban something that in our day and age is scientifically proven to be apart of nature is to hate, and belittle.

God, grow up. I can just imagine how pathetic your brother feels in his self worth to you as 'he knows [your] thoughts on the matter'.

Homosexuality is obviously a perversion.

We have a sexual drive in the first place primarily to encourage sexual relations with a particular kind of partner (adult human beings of the opposite gender, as opposed to little kids, goats, or the same gender).

We have an appetite in the first place primarily to encourage the consumption of particular kinds of things (grains, fruit, meat etc. as opposed to sand, rocks, hair etc. etc.).

People whose sexual drive encourages sexual relations with little kids, goats or the same gender have a similar problem to people whose appetite encouurges the consumption of sand rather than bread. In both cases a primary natural drive has been corrupted, knocked off target etc. etc. so that it no longer serves the function that it was meant to serve.

By the way, everything is "part of nature" - that does not mean every behavior seen in animals etc. etc. is "normal" human behavior. Some animals kill their partner immediately after sex, some animals eat their offspring etc. etc. Pointing toward the behavior of animals to justify/call-normal human behavior, is retarded.

While it's true that some animals do display "homosexual behavior" it's a fallacy to conclude that there are "gay animals" (though there probably are). Just because a male dog humps another male dog does not mean that he prefers sexual relations with males (you'd have to read the dogs mind to actually know his preference).

reply to post by SevenBeans


Oh really, well I guess if we go with the theory that we live in a holographic universe where past, present, and future all coexist at the same time, it would be safe to presume you reside some 50 years prior to the year 2010 I am currently living in. See in this time, comparing homosexuality to pedophilia or eating sand would point you out to be moronic or suggest your mental intelligence be that of a handicapped squirrel.

In 2010 it is widely known that longstanding consensus of the behavioral and social sciences and the health and mental health professions is that homosexuality per se is an example of normal and positive variation in human sexual orientation. Did you see the words 'normal' and 'positive' there? Can I get you an acorn?

God, the things people try and preach. How can you even compare these things? I would love to see some documentation. Comments like yours can't even be classified as 'ignorant', because in this day and age preaching garbage is just backwards and yes, does put a mental handicap on you. Unlike those who acquire this unfortunate trait genetically, you bring on your on stupidity.

ADD***

Here ya go, its some learn'in you can do today. Acorn?

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by SevenBeans


Another one.... have you even researched this topic? How about Penguins in the Antarctic that ARE homosexual and stay with the same partner for life? and its too early for me to type another one of these, so here's some quotes

'A 1999 review by researcher Bruce Bagemihl shows that homosexual behavior has been observed in close to 1,500 species, ranging from primates to gut worms, and is well documented for 500 of them.'

read the rest here Einstein. en.wikipedia.org...

My post is based on simple, obvious facts.

The primary reason that we have a sex drive to start with is to encourage sexual relations with adult human beings of the opposite gender (not with little kids, goats, or the same gender).

If you disagree please explain why.

Thanks.

reply to post by SevenBeans


I believe I gave you a link there to read. It has a whole bunch of stuff just for you. Once more, here ya go....

en.wikipedia.org...

Now if you reply again without reading it, it just goes to show where your facts stand(in your delusion).

Originally posted by Skittle
The commonly thought as weak in society are the homosexuals, the blacks, the handicap and immigrants.
Just read up on history.

I think the media does this on purpose. I notice alot of the media, like to portray the serial killer typr person(police gov loons, media trash), as being human. Being human to them, means being a scumbag, and treat everyone like trash, and kick anyone when down, and anyone that does nothing to anyone, is a animal type, and not human.

The sh1t garbage in police and media have this mindset. You will notice that if your not interested in females as a male, society can do what ever it wants to you, as you are not human, like them, which means your not like the serial killer types, that police gov and media attract to there jobs.

They call it teh dog eat dog world. WHere them the serial killer types are strong, as they want to kill, and destroy, and people who do not harm anyone, are considered not human.

The media, police and gov do this all teh time to try and project there world view on us.

So who is the animals? The serial killer types in the police, gov or media, who want to kill and destroy humans and anyone the can. Or are the true humans, ones that do not do anything to anyone, and just want to live there lifes, without the serial killers invading there lifes, and trying everything to destroy them.

I think most humans are wannabee serial killers, and the peopel in police media, and gov are the worst as they can fulfill there fantasies, and call anyone they kill or destory weak, and not human.

Originally posted by Skittle
The commonly thought as weak in society are the homosexuals, the blacks, the handicap and immigrants.
Just read up on history.

I think the media does this on purpose. I notice alot of the media, like to portray the serial killer type person(police gov loons, media trash), as being human. Being human to them, means being a scumbag, and treat everyone like trash, and kick anyone when down, and anyone that does nothing to anyone, is a animal type, and not human.

The sh1t garbage in police and media have this mindset. You will notice that if your not interested in females as a male, society can do what ever it wants to you, as you are not human, like them, which means your not like the serial killer types, that police gov and media attract to there jobs.

They call it teh dog eat dog world. WHere them the serial killer types are strong, as they want to kill, and destroy, and people who do not harm anyone, are considered not human.

The media, police and gov do this all teh time to try and project there world view on us.

So who is the animals? The serial killer types in the police, gov or media, who want to kill and destroy humans and anyone the can. Or are the true humans, ones that do not do anything to anyone, and just want to live there lifes, without the serial killers invading there lifes, and trying everything to destroy them.

I think most humans are wannabee serial killers, and the peopel in police media, and gov are the worst as they can fulfill there fantasies, and call anyone they kill or destory weak, and not human.

I acknowledged that many animals display homosexual behavior, and simply pointed out that you cannot conclude an actual preference based on that observation. Our prison population is full of homosexual behavior but most of the men taking part would much rather be having sexual relations with a Woman.

Originally posted by SevenBeans

I acknowledged that many animals display homosexual behavior, and simply pointed out that you cannot conclude an actual preference based on that observation. Our prison population is full of homosexual behavior but most of the men taking part would much rather be having sexual relations with a Woman.

Exactly. When i said in my life at 17 i had no interest in females, they have spent the last 18 years trying to put me in jail,a nd wreck my life. They view anyone that is male and not interested in females, as not human, fact.

I keep saying if you do nothing wrong in society like me, and say your not interested in females, the police and gov will hound you forever.

But if your interested in females, you can commit any crime you want.

reply to post by SevenBeans


Actually heres an idea based on 'obvious facts' we could do. Going by your knowledge on the meaning of life(we are only here to repuduce, nothing more), we must talk about natural selection. eg. the laws of attractions, sexual attraction, in simple terms the attractiveness of others.

How about you post some pictures of yourself, and I will post some of myself and we will have a poll on who is more attractive(regardless of gender). Let me point out though, I am a gay male and I am 100% positive I will win this competition based the fact of who places higher on an attractive scale.

Now because I will win, does this mean your sexual worth has been canceled out? And because you are comparing us to animals, in that sense this would then make you below the pack, unwanted, leave you barren/sterile.

Oh what's that? barren/sterile? Well this is just not part of proper reproductive nature at all. I am afraid you are now nothing more then a pervert who will spend the rest of your days fantasizing about f*cking goats and children because in retrospect they would be the only thing you could catch.

Now wasn't that a fun lessen. Geeze, I feel like I just retaught myself the science of humanity.

The simple answer is; Its not right.

If you are a creationist, in the begining there was Adam and Eve, male and female. Not male and male; Adam and Adam.

If you prefer evolution: It takes a Male(species n/a) and a Female (species also n/a) in order to reproduce and evolve. The only life that can reproduce through same sex, are the few species that are only hermaphrodites. Not same sex. They do not mate with a partner but with themselves. Anything that mates with a parter requires two genders.

In no way can you relate being gay to being of any sort of disgriminated race. Or for that mater religion. Jews are not a race, they are people that practice the religion of Judaism.

Homosexuality is anti-science, or sin.

reply to post by DoubleOrNothing



You are right, because Adam & Eve came from the descendent's of fallen Angels, who have been reported throughout much of the ancient history to have had many homosexual encounters with humans. If this is really the comparison you want to make then let's say for your sake it is science and indeed a sin.

Well Since Eve herself is in fact the root of all evil, I guess that would mean sinning itself IS indeed a part of humanity, and since procrastination IS indeed sinning according to the 'bible', that would make us all descendent's of evil itself.

So in turn, your sin sh*t means nothing. Homosexuality IS a part of all life, a part of natural selection, and one could even go as far as to say a superior selection as it not drawn to the mere laws herosexuality, which is as preached merely to reproduce; how sad.

Originally posted by loagun
reply to post by SevenBeans

 

Actually heres an idea based on 'obvious facts' we could do. Going by your knowledge on the meaning of life(we are only here to repuduce, nothing more), we must talk about natural selection. eg. the laws of attractions, sexual attraction, in simple terms the attractiveness of others.

We're not only here to reproduce and I never said anything of the sort. Read slower.

The primary reason that we have a sex drive to begin with is to encourage sexual relations with adult human beings of the opposite gender (not with little kids, goats, or the same gender).

The rest of your post doesn't seem to make any sense.

reply to post by loagun


Oh wow that's it. It IS a superior choice. Homosexuality IS in fact natural selection of those beings possessing that of an alpha consciousness, not restricted to the sole purpose of producing+raising offspring.

God I'm good. High-five. Okay, gym time for me.