Whistleblower site Wikileaks under attack!

reply to post by Mr Mask


Probably one of the clearest, easiest to understand and accurate posts on this entire subject from beginning to end that I have read here, ever.
What you wrote makes it all come to focus, and I've been feeling the same about this for a long time.
When you take the sensationalism out of the 'act' of what he does the ghost shows his bones,
and those bones are owned and operated by someone at the other end of the strings.
Very well put MM, very well put!

Originally posted by Meatbag
reply to post by Mr Mask

 

Hypothetically, say Assange is legit.

Ok...done...Assange is now 100% (hypothetically) legit.

This insurance file of his may have already been disclosed to the government, BY ASSANGE, and is of such a value that they do not want to bring him in.

I assume the authorities involved already know "much of" (if not all) of what Assange is sitting on.

Kind of like a suicide bomber with a heart rate monitor bomb, they aren't going to shoot him.

I also assume that this idea you are sharing is the "official story" of this "insurance file". If Assange is legit...wait...he IS legit (hypothetically)...so..yeah...smart move from a man who has smart moves.

Regardless of your support/dislike for the government, this situation is very plausible.

Very much so...agreed...even without the "hypothetical" clause we have agreed to.

This would provide him with the freedom to roam, because if he gets arrested, BAM, files are released that, for argument sake, prove 9/11 was a false flag op, so the government can't release the file themselves and shoot themselves in the foot, or harm Assange.

But then we are in the territory of America "working with terrorist's demands". This is supposedly a big no no and something our country has agreed to never do. Our "zero tolerance" of terrorism say we will not succumb to the demands or threats of terrorists...

Of course, that is just some fancy words our leaders have said in the past...I am not "completely convinced" our government "wouldn't" do this.

But, what you are suggesting is simply the mainstream story...Assange is using his insurance file to protect himself from the big bad wolves of the political stage.

I find it hard to swallow that our defense agencies would bow to such pressure, reinforcing Assange's behavior and giving him more reason to become more aggressive.

But honestly...who knows? Like I've stated, its all possible...

Secondly, a point you kind of missed (again, it only appears to me you missed it, correct me if i'm wrong) is that the insurance file itself could be the plan. Millions of conspiracy theorists and whistleblowers and hackers, the kind of people with interest in such a thing, could be ousted in one swoop.

I've considered this many times about wikileaks...but I do not have a leg (or link) to stand on such thinking. Its possible, yes, surly...but I can't just go risking all credibility on big "what-ifs" that really have no evidence other then a sinking feeling in my gut...

Its possible though...

Or, as previous posters have pointed out, it could be an economic tool so people buy new computers, or used to monitor the conspiracy community a bit more closely, but the thing that smells odd to me about it being a CIA Op is it looks like too much effort for not enough gains, and really Wikileaks has only created negative press for the US Government and the CIA.

What you see as to much effort could seriously be "a lot to gain" in other eyes.

You are considering the targets of these files to be "American" after all.

In regards to the tweet, it could be a number of things, speculation isn't going to achieve much, it is really a case of waiting and seeing what happens.

I so agree...and I have been waiting for a long time to watch things unfold, and thus far things are panning out quickly now...Imagine sitting here over a year ago warning people that wikileaks was going to "fold on a whistle-blower in the near future", discredit and ruin his life in the public eye, and then use said whistleblower's downfall to scare the living hell out of others from ever whistle blowing...

Now wonder how so many people knew that. I wasn't alone in thinking this...heck, a leaked CIA document plainly stated the best way to stop sites like wikileaks was to "out a whistleblower" and then "crush him publicly" to scare away others...in effect ruining the system for others considering to blow the whistle.

The very same document was based in the CIA pondering how to destroy whistleblower sites, and in said document they even mentioned wikileaks and spoke of Assange being a huge danger...

Now, was that legit or was that a cover counter-story WAY before Bradly Manning was even on the scene?

Dunno...but the document was released where? Wikileaks...

The only thing we can be sure of is that the message exists, and that is all. Hell it could be an in joke by one of Assange's top guys.....

You are very right...and I applaud your ability to remain "thinking outside of the mainstream story".

Like I said...what bothers me is people who have sold their allegiance to this guy as if he is some God.

He has spoken of crushing America, is in possession of stolen documents and thinks he is above the law...I find all those things to be bad.

Never mind his co-founder aying he is CIA...never mind people who worked with him stated on the record Assange was trying to "sell the documents for a profit"...never mind that wikileaks right nw is suffering a total collapse from the inside with many on his team bailing or calling him "untrustworthy".

Even if he is legit...that is not how I roll...I do not support terrorism against my country.

And I honestly worry for those downloading this crap and openly cheering this guy on.

PS- I would also like to remind anyone who is enlisted in the American military that they may face charges for even visiting wikileaks or viewing its content.
Troops can't see wikileaks

Now...does that sound normal?

Dunno...

But yeah...like I said, I smell something rotten and I'm waiting to find out exactly what it is...

Little Masky here proved that he has no clue what he's talking about when it comes to WikiLeaks when he referred to Assange as a hacker when he's not. Why even try to argue with him over anything involving WikiLeaks.

He also said he doesn't have a residence and lives out of a backpack. Actually that was Adrian Lamo that was known for that and why he was called the "homeless hacker".

Masky here feels that he's superior over others here. Proof of that can he seen in how he posts. Notice that he feels the need to pick apart posts into multiple quotes? Notice that when he does that it makes his post huge? He does that so his posts take up the most space on the page. To get attention. Look around at other "know-it-all" style posters here and you'll see they all have the habit of doing that. Also notice he's constantly being sarcastic in his replies. Another superiority sign.

There's no point in arguing with him. He'll just drag it out as long as people keep replying to him. Let him go back to that "comic" of his.

Ats needs more o.c. so for you guys.

Originally posted by schlub
It doesn't take a strong mind to be open to a multitude of open-ended, ill-researched, paranoid theories. Anyone can do that. Yes, wikileaks could be a false flag. Yes, space aliens could live in my toilet. But before making any assertion, have at least one piece of evidence and at least a basic understanding of what you're talking about.

Ok...so I have shown you-

1) The Pentagon stated it loks like a CIA operation.
2) The Co-founder of wikileaks left stating Assange was working hand in hand with the CIA.
3) Bradly Manning was outed and sent to prison for 50+ years after he was promised he would be safe, or at best protected.
4)China's intel saying it is a CIA/Mossad peration.
5) Cass Sunstein's open plot t "inflitrate and control conspiracy from the "inside"
6) Urged you to search deeper into the shady financial connections of wikileaks.

All this work I have done here, just for you to perhaps CONSIDER you are being lied to...that wikileaks may not be the one "being attacked", but may actually be the one "attacking others for dishonest gains".

Yet...you suspect this line of thinking to be up there with crazy-talk and alien-worship.

I see...you have already be bought and sold then, and if you can not even CONSIDER this magical-goblin-man to be a "government operation", then showing you links to "real information" isn't going to change your mind.

And you surly aren't going to go research this yourself...you rather accept the devil you don't know because you want change...and here I was thinking Americans were all done being fooled over promises of "change".

Enjoy your TV...tell it I said hello.

Originally posted by sapien82
reply to post by Mr Mask

 

Mr mask I dont get why you think that Assange if real and if in possession of governement secerts you find this a threat to America ,

But you dont find the CIA or the current government and its foreign policy a threat to america or its people!

I see there is no end to putting words in my mouth.

When, if ever, did I ever say I don't find threats existing within our Government?

Now...tell me...is it our job to handle those threats, or some hacker from shadow-land who lives in a backpack all the while bragging that he will crack open our world and then rebuild it himself?

reply to post by Mr Mask

Unlike many on this website, I try very hard to not just "buy everything presented to me".

Nice to see you are impartial - and modest, long winded. How could anyone say so much about so little.

Wikileaks latest tweet states that they will have a conference sometime soon.

Major WikiLeaks press conference in europe coming up; to book [press/NGO only], mail [email protected]

www.twitter.com/wikileaks

-Password related
-Attack related
-Document release related

Suffice to say, it should be interesting.

Battle of the century

Military industrial complex vs Wikileaks

reply to post by markfelt


Thank you for these wise words.

I think the point you made about movies is a very important one. People have been so brainwashed by the Hollywood mind manipulation machine that outside the limits of their daily experience, many people no longer know how to evaluate actual reality and real experience.

Personally I have seen no evidence whatsoever that Assange is anything other than what he says he is.

On the other hand I observet that there is a smear campaign against him, instigated by the criminal elite. Sadly many people still believe the propaganda spewed by these criminals, despite all the lies they are proven to have told for decades.

The video collateral damage was indeed damning for the US. And as you say, the details of the documents leaked, though not sensational in the crude Hollywood sense, have provided serious evidence relating to alleged US war crimes to those who have the knowledge to interpret the information.

We live in an instant gratification society. Reality rarely works like that. Assange's publishing of the documents, over time, drip by drip, is exposing the criminals for what they are.

And even it something more 'sensational' is issued, I ask those same people who are discrediting Assange.

When you saw the film collateral damage, what action did you take?

I suspect the majority of those same Hollywood conditioned subjects actually did very little or nothing. Nor would they if something truly explosive were released - because their Hollywood conditioned minds sit back and expect someone else to sort out the mess we are in. They are waiting for Jack Bauer or some such fiction to step out of the TV and sort it out. Not for them the personal responsibility, the slow, painstaking piecing together of evidence, the long term commitment to the fight, to taking responsibility and taking whatever action they can over time, possibly years, to bring these criminals down.

No, much more comfortable to buy another pack of popcorn, sit back and sling mud and scorn at all and sundry, demanding that SOMEONE ELSE do something about THEIR government criminals.

Originally posted by nightmare_david
Little Masky here proved that he has no clue what he's talking about when it comes to WikiLeaks when he referred to Assange as a hacker when he's not. Why even try to argue with him over anything involving WikiLeaks.

Sigh...another thing that bothers me is ANYONE who visits this website (ats) AND STILL is ignorant of facts...

Lucky for you sir, I am here to educate you. Sit down little one and let uncle Masky make you smarter so you don't trip over that ignorance of yours again...ok?

Thats a good lad...

Julian Assange IS a world famous/notorious computer systems hacker who was arrested and charged in in 1987 and was part of the international hacker group known as "International Subversives" who once was known under the handle Mendax.

He was captured in a raid in 1991 at his Melbourne home by the Australian Federal Police. In 1992 he pleaded guilty to 24 charges of hacking and was released on bond for good conduct after being fined AU$2100 (sweet deal, wonder if he made any others?)

You should also know he helped write a book in 1997 "Tales of Hacking, Madness and Obsession on the Electronic Frontier" which credits him as researcher and reports his history with International Subversives.

Now if you were SO BLIND TO THIS PUBLIC INFORMATION, imagine how many more GIANT THROBING RED FLAGS you just may be snoozing through...eh?

Don't worry, I won't charge you for learning...but I do expect you to spend that knowledge in some productive manner...try "thinking outside of the television box"...its a doozy and can be fun!

He also said he doesn't have a residence and lives out of a backpack. Actually that was Adrian Lamo that was known for that and why he was called the "homeless hacker".

Lamo was/is a junkie...first off...but I digress.

I was exaggerating the claime of Assange being "homeless" as to allude to his unbeleivable public image of being an international man of mystery who travels country to country with nothing but a backpack and no traceable whereabouts.


He lives in Nairobi actually and is suspected of having more then a few homes...but, the mainstream press has made the claim TIME AND TIME AGAIN that Julian Assange lives out of his backpack...

Since you didn't get what I meant there...I'm wondering if you even watched the mainstream story, never mind actually went digging up facts on your own. Anyone watching the wikileaks story would surly understand the use of the "overly coined" term of Assange living out of a back pack or being homeless...its his so-called trade-image these days and has been posted as such in the Washington post, CNN, FOX, Reuters, the Times, and countless other highly visible mainstream rags...

But hey...you can't be blamed for missing that...hell, you didn't even know Assange was a hacker! Soo don't beat yourself up there.

Masky here feels that he's superior over others here.

Actualy, I feel MOST people posting in defense of Assange with 100% loyalty to his BRAND NAME without reserving a single shred of doubt are not inferior...just...I dunno...ignorant and/or lazy, and absolutely too apathetic to do research on their own. In fact, it is very easy to see who knows real details through research and who is just running with the "fisher-price-my-first-story-of-this-year" on Assange currently being promoted on the Boob-a-tube near YOU.

Proof of that can he seen in how he posts.

How?

Notice that he feels-

feels what?

the need-

Need for what?

to pick apart posts into multiple quotes?

Naw , I missed that...I guess I don't see it.

Notice that when he does that it makes his post huge?

Jesus, what is wrong with youth these days? 4-7 paragraphs is HARDLY "huge" in any sense of writing, accept for perhaps that stupid text messaging that has basically brainwashed millions into walking into walls while typing "lulz". I'm sorry if reading more then a blurb and a fart joke is somehow "too grandiose" for you.

I guess I can understand your limited knowledge on Assange and his background now...they never write such things in small little two sentence remarks. Nor will I begin to do so just to lower my level of communication for you to better enjoy it...

He does that so his posts take up the most space on the page. To get attention. Look around at other "know-it-all" style posters here and you'll see they all have the habit of doing that.

Wow...so you assume the people SHOVING INFORMATION down your throat in hopes to educate you with as much info as possible to be nothing more than a grab for page space?

Look...um dude...I'm not braging but listen...see that ATS Comic link at the top? It leads to my comic. I really don't need attention in a thread while I have that sweet deal going on up there...think about it.

Also, you will find I post very little around here...dissipear for months at times...when I type it is for one of three reasons.

1) I'm right.
2) I'm learning something new.
3) I'm being silly.

Pick what one(s) you think I am shooting for right now.

Also notice he's constantly being sarcastic in his replies. Another superiority sign.

Lol...you just said my sarcasm is evidence of me being superior...you know that don't you?

Sweet!

There's no point in arguing with him. He'll just drag it out as long as people keep replying to him. Let him go back to that "comic" of his.

Yeah...turn away, no need to learn Julian Assange is a hacker...right? Lol..yeah man...good luck out there and be on the look out for walls...

ps- thanks!

MM

Originally posted by etcorngods
reply to post by Mr Mask

 

Unlike many on this website, I try very hard to not just "buy everything presented to me".

Nice to see you are impartial - and modest, long winded. How could anyone say so much about so little.

Just doing my best...wink

Besides...its way better then yknow, saying nothing in one sentence...

Ever read below your comment box while typing here? It reads-

"(Minimal posts that contribute nothing to the thread are subject to immediate removal.)"

reply to post by Mr Mask


Just a few thoughts here. You say that there is "strong evidence" that Wikileaks is a "Classic CIA Operation" based on:-

1) The Pentagon has said it looks like it is a classic CIA Operation. You mean the same Pentagon that covered up the death of Pat Tillman, and made him out to be a hero, when in fact he had been killed by friendly fire. Even US Congress wanted it looked into, and why the Military/Pentagon covered it up - articles.sfgate.com...

2) The Co-Founder of Wikileaks says that Wikileaks is working hand in hand with the CIA. Sure, it makes it interesting to hear something from the horses mouth. But 1 question you may have overlooked (or may not have) - What were his motives for leaving Wikileaks??? Could he have had a falling out with Mr Assange, and to get back at him, came out with this "breathtaking, intriguing" story that Wikileaks was working with the CIA?

3) Chinese Intelligence says its a Mossad/CIA cointel op - Sure, interesting again. But so what? The Chinese government is known to employ an army of hackers themselves. What makes them any more righteous than what Julian Assange and his army of hackers gets up to??? If anything, the blood that would be on Mr Assanges hands by releasing all the documents would NOT be any worse than what the Chinese Government has done in it's past.

So why is it you are willing to believe people that have questionable pasts, and are known to lie, murder, and try to cover their own tracks, over 1 person like Julian Assange???? I would really love to know.

And you brand Julian Assange as a modern day terrorist, that needs to be arrested by the US Government for theft, and for putting people's lives at risk. Well sorry, but the US Government has been known to thieve, murder, and wage wars on lies, so that is like the pot calling the kettle black in my honest opinion.

Wouldn't you agree that what you have said is quite hypocritical, due to the fact that you won't trust 1 person because they are a so called "lying terrorist" (that you can supposedly back up with facts), yet to discredit him, you will believe people that lie, cheat, steal, and murder??? I think that's Hypocrisy at it's finest my friend.

And just to add, before you go off and say "oh look, another Julian Assange fanatic", far from it. To be honest, I don't really trust him as much as I trust the US Government. Until I have cold hard facts in my hands, I don't trust either of them.

Originally posted by TerribleTeam2
reply to post by Mr Mask

 

Just a few thoughts here. You say that there is "strong evidence" that Wikileaks is a "Classic CIA Operation" based on:-

1) The Pentagon has said it looks like it is a classic CIA Operation. You mean the same Pentagon that covered up the death of Pat Tillman, and made him out to be a hero, when in fact he had been killed by friendly fire. Even US Congress wanted it looked into, and why the Military/Pentagon covered it up - articles.sfgate.com...

Yes...that same Pentagon.

2) The Co-Founder of Wikileaks says that Wikileaks is working hand in hand with the CIA. Sure, it makes it interesting to hear something from the horses mouth. But 1 question you may have overlooked (or may not have) - What were his motives for leaving Wikileaks??? Could he have had a falling out with Mr Assange, and to get back at him, came out with this "breathtaking, intriguing" story that Wikileaks was working with the CIA?

I agree there may be dishonest motives behind John's claims on Assange.

3) Chinese Intelligence says its a Mossad/CIA cointel op - Sure, interesting again. But so what? The Chinese government is known to employ an army of hackers themselves. What makes them any more righteous than what Julian Assange and his army of hackers gets up to??? If anything, the blood that would be on Mr Assanges hands by releasing all the documents would NOT be any worse than what the Chinese Government has done in it's past.

We agree on China's bloody hands.

So why is it you are willing to believe people that have questionable pasts, and are known to lie, murder, and try to cover their own tracks, over 1 person like Julian Assange???? I would really love to know.

Have I failed to be clear? Have I?

Again...I have not made my mind up on Assange's credibility. I think those who "have", based on nothing but media hype (hype that surly appears to be spun to get people behind Assange not against him), are being "ignorant".

I do not trust Assange nor do I trust those slandering him.

Those who choose a side here are doing so out of blind faith or hope...nothing more.

And you brand Julian Assange as a modern day terrorist, that needs to be arrested by the US Government for theft, and for putting people's lives at risk. Well sorry, but the US Government has been known to thieve, murder, and wage wars on lies, so that is like the pot calling the kettle black in my honest opinion.

We also agree on the bloody hands within our government.

Wouldn't you agree that what you have said is quite hypocritical, due to the fact that you won't trust 1 person because they are a so called "lying terrorist"

No, I would not agree...

1) IF Assange is legit, then he is a terrorist but NOT a liar.

2) IF Assange is CIA, then he is a liar NOT a terrorist.

Get me? Please say yes...its frustrating trying to make this clear.

(that you can supposedly back up with facts), yet to discredit him, you will believe people that lie, cheat, steal, and murder??? I think that's Hypocrisy at it's finest my friend.

How so? How is it being hypocritical to reserve judgment?

I personally think those fighting to defend Assange as 100% real are the real hypocrites here. They frequent a site that strives to deny ignorance and deals much with subjects such as false flag operations and declassified CIA tactics, yet they hold their hands over their ears screaming "NO NO NO LAH LAH CAN'T HEAR YOU" when a perfectly questionable operation is afoot...

And just to add, before you go off and say "oh look, another Julian Assange fanatic",

Actually, you paint your post as rational and hardly a fanatic at all...you are looking for holes and facts, and that is something I applaud. YOU are Denying Ignorance and doing JUST WHAT ATS DEMANDS.

far from it. To be honest, I don't really trust him as much as I trust the US Government. Until I have cold hard facts in my hands, I don't trust either of them.

BINGO!

I'd hug ya for that!!! Right on and thumbs all up at you sir.

MM

Just checked the site and saw this...

Major WikiLeaks press conference in europe coming up; to book [press/NGO only], mail [email protected] less than 10 seconds ago via web

Originally posted by TerribleTeam2
reply to post by Mr Mask

 

Just a few thoughts here. You say that there is "strong evidence" that Wikileaks is a "Classic CIA Operation" based on:-

1) The Pentagon has said it looks like it is a classic CIA Operation. You mean the same Pentagon that covered up the death of Pat Tillman, and made him out to be a hero, when in fact he had been killed by friendly fire. Even US Congress wanted it looked into, and why the Military/Pentagon covered it up - articles.sfgate.com...

2) The Co-Founder of Wikileaks says that Wikileaks is working hand in hand with the CIA. Sure, it makes it interesting to hear something from the horses mouth. But 1 question you may have overlooked (or may not have) - What were his motives for leaving Wikileaks??? Could he have had a falling out with Mr Assange, and to get back at him, came out with this "breathtaking, intriguing" story that Wikileaks was working with the CIA?

3) Chinese Intelligence says its a Mossad/CIA cointel op - Sure, interesting again. But so what? The Chinese government is known to employ an army of hackers themselves. What makes them any more righteous than what Julian Assange and his army of hackers gets up to??? If anything, the blood that would be on Mr Assanges hands by releasing all the documents would NOT be any worse than what the Chinese Government has done in it's past.

So why is it you are willing to believe people that have questionable pasts, and are known to lie, murder, and try to cover their own tracks, over 1 person like Julian Assange???? I would really love to know.

And you brand Julian Assange as a modern day terrorist, that needs to be arrested by the US Government for theft, and for putting people's lives at risk. Well sorry, but the US Government has been known to thieve, murder, and wage wars on lies, so that is like the pot calling the kettle black in my honest opinion.

Wouldn't you agree that what you have said is quite hypocritical, due to the fact that you won't trust 1 person because they are a so called "lying terrorist" (that you can supposedly back up with facts), yet to discredit him, you will believe people that lie, cheat, steal, and murder??? I think that's Hypocrisy at it's finest my friend.

And just to add, before you go off and say "oh look, another Julian Assange fanatic", far from it. To be honest, I don't really trust him as much as I trust the US Government. Until I have cold hard facts in my hands, I don't trust either of them.

Took the words right out of my mouth.
Agree 100%

Originally posted by nightmare_david
Little Masky here proved that he has no clue what he's talking about when it comes to WikiLeaks when he referred to Assange as a hacker when he's not.

Is this a joke?

You should read up on Assange's past. He was a notorious hacker in Melbourne (Australia) and actually made the news a few times with "hacks" associated with NASA and other government bodies. To understand what Assange is doing now its really important to understand this guy's past, or what we know of it at this stage.

Hacker > interest in government > activism > join the two > hacker activism > that won't work > do it professionally? > Wikileaks.

Originally posted by Mr Mask

Originally posted by sapien82
reply to post by Mr Mask

 

Mr mask I dont get why you think that Assange if real and if in possession of governement secerts you find this a threat to America ,

But you dont find the CIA or the current government and its foreign policy a threat to america or its people!

I see there is no end to putting words in my mouth.

When, if ever, did I ever say I don't find threats existing within our Government?

Now...tell me...is it our job to handle those threats, or some hacker from shadow-land who lives in a backpack all the while bragging that he will crack open our world and then rebuild it himself?

Well first I apologise I should have noticed I made the mistake of not making my statement a question

"But you dont find the CIA or the current government and its foreign policy a threat to america or its people (?)"

that is how that post should have looked! I have a nasty habit of leaving exclamation marks at the end of every sentence .

Threats to a nation should be dealt with by the government as its their job to protect and maintain our rights.
However if the government are indeed trying to remove our rights , then maybe these hackers from wikileaks are really trying to maintain our rights, or the rights of people across the globe.

I wouldnt like to put words in your mouth , I dont know if you bite

Originally posted by Mr Mask

Those who choose a side here are doing so out of blind faith or hope...nothing more.

Don't you think then, that we should leave it at that? At least for the time being. We are discussing whether Wikileaks is legit or not based on what exactly? A few leaks which were hardly groundbreaking and operated like a full blown media stunt; bring it to attention, hype it up, delay it, release it... and it turns out to be not so damning after all. You said it yourself, lets look at each incident as it happens, addressing the legitimacy of Wikileaks as a whole at this stage is just stupid, I've done it before, but its wrong.

P.S: I'm securing copyright over a Wikileaks movie... HANDS OFF!

Originally posted by sapien82

Well first I apologise I should have noticed I made the mistake of not making my statement a question

Awww...stop that...no need to apologise to the likes of me. But I also offer my honest apologies for my brash nature and frustration within this thread. I have large character flaws and all.

"But you dont find the CIA or the current government and its foreign policy a threat to america or its people (?)"

that is how that post should have looked! I have a nasty habit of leaving exclamation marks at the end of every sentence .

Honestly? Yes...I see horrors within our current government...many. And some how I am going to try and change that in any little way I can...I just don't know how.

Wanna help?

Threats to a nation should be dealt with by the government as its their job to protect and maintain our rights.
However if the government are indeed trying to remove our rights , then maybe these hackers from wikileaks are really trying to maintain our rights, or the rights of people across the globe.

Maybe...but "maybes" are not good enough for me, especially with so many lives on the line. I can't trust Assange without proper reason...I surly can't trust our government to be telling the truth here (nor is it my right to know if they are doing anything secret).

I can stand for the CIA running an operation under our noses (I sorta have to actually)...I can't stand for some foreign hacker doing as he sees fit for my country.

But clearly...yes...I do see criminal activity within many facets of our government...so no, I am not just defending the CIA or calling our nation innocent.

I wouldnt like to put words in your mouth , I dont know if you bite

I do bite...sadly...raised by masked wolves. But I hope this reply finds you forgiving me for that much.

Thanks for being clear, I enjoy that very much.

MM