It's almost time

Originally posted by DragonriderGal
[Always there are degrees of emotional competency, and of course your opinion of what that is, may or may not be accurate; after all, you seem the more of the doggedly dogmatic type who probably feels emotions are 'bad'. We should all be like Mr. Spock. Silly emotions anyway. *rolls eyes*

And hey, I acknowledge that yahoos like Stereo hook me... bossy older sister trauma and such. And authentic always is far better than pretending to be someone I'm not. So maybe I'll work on that hook, maybe not.

And of course the alien/Jewish conspiracy is a questionable theory... just like they want it to be. They've been working at making it seem that way for a LONG time. I can, however, see them very clearly in the racial unconscious. Whether you believe that or not, is entirely your own choice.

And 2+2=4 is an agreed upon opinion. There are a lot of such agreements, but opinions none the less. IF you think about the number 2 and add another 2 to it in your mind and you think they equal 4, there inside your head, it now becomes your opinion because you have added your thoughts, your 'understanding' to it, and so it becomes simply your opinion of what 2+2=4 actually means. It is no longer a pure 'fact'. It is your opinion of the 'facts'.

And the fairies are in service to the elves, as are many of the elder races which you mentioned. The 'mythology' of the elven lore and times is actually the way we remember our history where it can't be spun by the NWO bunch. They so don't want us to realize that and they've put a lot of time money and work into us thinking it is only our imagination. Some people are easier to fool than others, obviously.

To demonstrate competentcy one is usually required to demonstrate that one is in control. Be it emotional or otherwise.
Rather rash to judge someones emotional status and character from one fairly annonymous and innocuous forum post.
Quite the "leap of fancy" indeed.

2+2=4 is indeed agreed upon. The squiggles we use to potray a fundamental underpinning of, well everything basically.

Without certain irrefutable facts nothing works. Computers being a pertinent example. Forums may run on opinions..computers do not.
If the fact they represent was to ever change then the whole of creation would change. Don't think even Tolkein's Elves were capable of this, never mind yours.

You have presented your opinions as facts using racial unconscious (though I do believe Jung refered to it as collective), something that has no empirical evidence itself.

reply to post by DragonriderGal


The definition of numerical values has been a point of discussion for millennia. The Greeks were interested in the issue and produced a number of books on the subject of magnitude. These books did not get lost in the issue of what is a fact as you seem to have done. Unlike LIOS, these people were very smart and actually asked questions about the nature of numbers and how things such as linear magnitudes were related to areas magnitudes and volume magnitudes. They understood the difference between fact and opinion.

The mathematical issues they discussed set much of the basis for the development of higher mathematics.

One of Euclids books on magnitudes set the basis for the development of The Method, one of the lost books of the ancients that was discovered in the late 1800s.

The notion of addition facts is old, and well established. Apparently, the teachings at LIOS are new, poor, and can be tossed int he circular file.

Originally posted by Noncompatible
To demonstrate competentcy one is usually required to demonstrate that one is in control. Be it emotional or otherwise.
Rather rash to judge someones emotional status and character from one fairly annonymous and innocuous forum post.
Quite the "leap of fancy" indeed.

2+2=4 is indeed agreed upon. The squiggles we use to potray a fundamental underpinning of, well everything basically.

Without certain irrefutable facts nothing works. Computers being a pertinent example. Forums may run on opinions..computers do not.
If the fact they represent was to ever change then the whole of creation would change. Don't think even Tolkein's Elves were capable of this, never mind yours.

You have presented your opinions as facts using racial unconscious (though I do believe Jung refered to it as collective), something that has no empirical evidence itself.

If you discuss, think about or work with the data, it becomes your opinion of said data. The data exists, obviously, but if YOU think about it, make sense of it, and/or consider it even, what you think of it then becomes your opinion of the data, and no longer the data itself, which might actually be a 'fact' without your interpretation of it.

The data will still be there most likely unchanged, and your opinion of it might be very firm and others considering that data may come up with the same very firm opinion, but that consideration makes it THEIR opinion of the data, not a 'fact'. I know this is a tricky concept to understand, and probably even harder for someone who thinks about and believes in and requires 'facts' to operate without mental stress, but that doesn't make it any less valid that all the information relayed about any data/'facts' are only said person's opinion who is relaying it.

And the computers exist and work because people having comparable opinions use those opinions to take considered action based on what they might believe to be 'facts' even if it is really only their opinions albiet very well educated ones. It doesn't matter really. Mostly it is a way to be more open in your thinking and not allow others to bully you or jerk you around with their so-called 'facts' which are really just their abusive and/or limited opinions.

And patterns are patterns... what your 'observations' and response to those observations represent here, I am quite sure, are a fairly accurate representation of your normal way of being. And with a double masters in Systems Counseling, I'm used to seeing the underlying patterns of human behavior aka Jung's archetypes, eh? And posts are never as innocuous or anonymous as you might think.

And everything I post, just like everyone else, is my opinion. Always. I can't present anything but my opinion or someone else's opinion. Just as you can't, nor can Stereo. And as always, believe or not about my connection to the racial unconscious. I know what I know via that source of information and I have a very firm opinion of it's accuracy! *lol*

Also true emotional competency is being able to use all of your emotions fully and appropriately; it isn't at all about controlling them and making yourself a drone robot with no emotions visible. It is being the authentic you. And if you have behaviors you don't like, you change them by working thru the underlying emotional issues, not by suppressing said emotions so you appear to be in 'control' to other people. *rolls eyes* My emotional issues I know about. I'm working on them as they get triggered. Some, like the one with Stereo, I don't really care enough about to do anything at the current time. *shrug*

Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by DragonriderGal

 

The definition of numerical values has been a point of discussion for millennia. The Greeks were interested in the issue and produced a number of books on the subject of magnitude. These books did not get lost in the issue of what is a fact as you seem to have done. Unlike LIOS, these people were very smart and actually asked questions about the nature of numbers and how things such as linear magnitudes were related to areas magnitudes and volume magnitudes. They understood the difference between fact and opinion.

The mathematical issues they discussed set much of the basis for the development of higher mathematics.

One of Euclids books on magnitudes set the basis for the development of The Method, one of the lost books of the ancients that was discovered in the late 1800s.

The notion of addition facts is old, and well established. Apparently, the teachings at LIOS are new, poor, and can be tossed int he circular file.

See above discussion. And thanks, as always for sharing your opinion.... again.

reply to post by DragonriderGal


None of this is opinion. You say it is opinion because the LIOS which is a pathetic educational experience suggests it. The fact is that you having nothing of value to add to the discussion - again!

reply to post by DragonriderGal


Your stance, which appears to be ignorance of the difference between fact and opinion, seems to be based on you lack of understanding which you have attributed to LIOS.

Your argument that everything is opinion is a poor claim at best. It flies int he face of the definition of these terms and the reasoning behind the concept of what is a fact.

Regardless of how often you tell us that your educational experience was substandard we believed you from the first time you stated it. It is rather pointless to continue to grieve the fact that you were not given a proper education at LIOS.

Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by DragonriderGal

 

Your stance, which appears to be ignorance of the difference between fact and opinion, seems to be based on you lack of understanding which you have attributed to LIOS.

Your argument that everything is opinion is a poor claim at best. It flies int he face of the definition of these terms and the reasoning behind the concept of what is a fact.

Regardless of how often you tell us that your educational experience was substandard we believed you from the first time you stated it. It is rather pointless to continue to grieve the fact that you were not given a proper education at LIOS.

*Sigh* How sad to be so limited in your thinking...

Oh well, to each his own. If you're content with what you believe, great. I sincerely doubt you will ever be able to understand the hows and whys of the concept that everything everyone posts is either their opinion, someone else's opinion, or their opinion of somebody else's opinion, nary a 'fact' to be seen.

Such a limiting inability is probably kind of hardwired in by too much 'science'/left brain training which is so dependent on being able to 'prove' stuff and being 'right'. Good trick the NWO pulled off with that whole spin. You are a walking, talking example of how well it works.

And as always, thanks for sharing your NWO-spun box-like opinion. Again.

reply to post by DragonriderGal


An inability to understand the difference between fact and opinion is possibly due to a bad education at LIOS. It is also possible that it is due to the close minded attitude revealed in nearly every post you've made.

Attributing my posts to the NWO is ludicrous folly. There is no NWO. That is an hallucination created by those with a closed mind.

Still no evidence has been posted of any groups intention to decimate the human population.

The claim stands as a poor attempt at a hoax.

The other hoax was the claim of a paper describing the brain. That one was as obvious a hoax as the other hoax. Your claims of left/ride brain activity are simply more drivel.

Thankfully, you've dropped the racist attitude displayed earlier.

None of this has anything to do with 2012.

Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by DragonriderGal

 

An inability to understand the difference between fact and opinion is possibly due to a bad education at LIOS. It is also possible that it is due to the close minded attitude revealed in nearly every post you've made.

Attributing my posts to the NWO is ludicrous folly. There is no NWO. That is an hallucination created by those with a closed mind.

Still no evidence has been posted of any groups intention to decimate the human population.

The claim stands as a poor attempt at a hoax.

The other hoax was the claim of a paper describing the brain. That one was as obvious a hoax as the other hoax. Your claims of left/ride brain activity are simply more drivel.

Thankfully, you've dropped the racist attitude displayed earlier.

None of this has anything to do with 2012.

Wow... I'd agree with your opinion but then we'd both be wrong.

Very sad that your brain is too hardwired to ever understand anything that isn't NWO spun and approved aka 'science'. Likely you'll go to your grave convinced you know the 'facts' when sadly all you've ever really had was your opinion of the 'facts', plus a lot of other people's opinions of the 'facts' as if that somehow made you 'righter'. *shrug* Oh well, thinking outside the box isn't for everyone, obviously.

And it is almost time... aka 2012, when all this crap is going down. But as always, believe as you will.

And thanks again for sharing your so NWO spun opinion on just about everything pertinent.

Funny how you deny that your bosses--er---I mean the NWO bunch exists. It's probably just so you don't have lie to deny you work for them. A man's gotta have principles, after all. It's fun watching you try to spin stuff so you don't have to lie though.

And there are huge amounts of info on just the one site alone (www.educate-yourself.org) and gobs more on other sites too, on the NWO bunch. All that information being available is pretty weird considering the NWO is so non-existent in your opinion. Heck there are even huge threads on this very site discussing this non-existant NWO organization.

And of course the NWO doesn't really manage or cover up info either.. their intentions are so pure and snow white. Yah. Next you'll be trying to sell me some real estate... I don't however need waterfront property in Arizona---thanks very much.

But hey, those NWO spun blinders work mighty fine, obviously. Especially if they are paying you to wear them. Score, man!

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And it is almost time... aka 2012

Laughable. What is going down?

let's see you posted a hoax about decimating the human popoulation by a fictitious organization.
You made up a story about an article in an unnamed journal and you couldn't recall anyof the details although you think it had something to do with gender based morphological differences within the brain.

You've made racist comments.
You laughing claim I am a member of a ficticious group.
You have no idea what the difference is between a fact and opinion and make ludicrous comments to cover up the poor education received from LIOS where you claim you received a dismal education.
You make vague references to a website as if that is a proper reference. Guess that was another failing at LIOS: showing how to make a proper reference.

Do you actually have anything to say other than your typical ad hominems? No. If you actually have any evidence of these hoaxes you would have stated them.

When 2012 comes around all of the people claiming nitwit claims such as the decimation of the human population will look as ridiculous then as they do now.

Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by DragonriderGal

 

And it is almost time... aka 2012

Laughable. What is going down?

let's see you posted a hoax about decimating the human popoulation by a fictitious organization.

You made up a story about an article in an unnamed journal and you couldn't recall anyof the details although you think it had something to do with gender based morphological differences within the brain.

You've made racist comments.
You laughing claim I am a member of a ficticious group.
You have no idea what the difference is between a fact and opinion and make ludicrous comments to cover up the poor education received from LIOS where you claim you received a dismal education.
You make vague references to a website as if that is a proper reference. Guess that was another failing at LIOS: showing how to make a proper reference.

Do you actually have anything to say other than your typical ad hominems? No. If you actually have any evidence of these hoaxes you would have stated them.

When 2012 comes around all of the people claiming nitwit claims such as the decimation of the human population will look as ridiculous then as they do now.

How sad you are.

You have completely ignored all my answers, made a bunch of yahoo claims disregarding any information sources given so you can keep your little fantasy about your bosses, (the NWO bunch) not existing, so you won't to lie to say you don't work for them as well as pretend I haven't done anything to support what I say and then misinterpret other stuff that I post, all in your efforts to discredit me.

Just like I would expect a NWO stoogie to do. Right on track, yessir! SO of course you'll 'blah blah' about what doesn't meet with your opinion's approval (and the information they want you to reinforce) and try to get this thread moved to skunk works or whereever.

And of course you can't acknowledge or even try to understand anything I say that isn't NWO approved like, for example, everyone is only giving their opinion, or reposting someone else's opinion. Plus it is probably too right brained and creative for you to even think about; might make your head explode--you know---shifting paradigms without a clutch? You do wear that left-brain NWO spun box oh so well, for sure.

But if you were a decent, pro-humanity kinda guy, you wouldn't work for them anyway. I'm sure your reward will be worth your 'sacrifice' of humanity. Just as they probably told you, they won't put you in the FEMA camps... Nope. You'd be one of the first humans killed if it ever gets that far because you've proved beyond the shadow of a doubt, your treasonous nature with your willingness to act against your fellow humans.

Probably lucky for you, I don't see it ever getting that far, no matter how desperate the NWO bunch becomes. Because if they start cheating, the E-l*th can intervene at that point---they won't have to wait until 2012, and I assure you, the E-l*th are soooooooo watching for that, and the NWO bunch knows it.

But that is ok. Say all this is just a fantasy of mine. *shrug* You are entitled to your opinion, just as everyone is, no matter how lame it may be.

Wow, you two... The make-up sex must be incredible!

Okay. Seriously.

Dragonridergal, I remember reading your threads last year and being absolutely gobsmacked when I found out you're not a teenage girl but a woman in her mid-fifties; I think it's all the *shrug* and *roll eyes* that threw me - and the Dungeons & Dragons stuff, of course.

The mythology you're spouting right now is identical in every detail, right down to set expressions such as "the NWO bunch" and the constant reminders of your double masters in family counselling. (Well, you haven't mentioned how your relatives used to be unicorns and how some dragon came down to earth because of you at that time in ancient history when you were riding him, or something like that.)
Yet, you accuse Stereo of rigid thinking.

The most glaring contradiction, though, is your insistence that everything is opinion and there's no such thing as fact, but you clearly imply that your subconscious imaginings are accurate historical reports (gong) and, while rejecting the scientific method, you repeatedly refer Stereo to some website as proof that what you're saying is factual.

You seem to live in a completely fluid world where the boundaries between fantasy and reality are so thin as to be non-existent.

You have completely ignored all my answers, made a bunch of yahoo claims disregarding any information sources given so you can keep your little fantasy about your bosses, (the NWO bunch) not existing, so you won't to lie to say you don't work for them as well as pretend I haven't done anything to support what I say and then misinterpret other stuff that I post, all in your efforts to discredit me.

About the only thing you have done is to attack me as some sort of member of a ficticious group from your yahoo imagination. You have provided nothing of value. Your answers are just lame smear tactics.

You told a lie about some article. Making up tall tales of nonexistent articles is worthless.
You make several racist comments. You've never addressed the issue because you are what you spout.

The issue is whether or not there is any evidence to your claim that any organization is planning to decimate the human population. All you can do is:
1. be racist
2. attack me

This leaves your claim as just another ridiculous hoax.

jeanvaljean wrote:

you repeatedly refer Stereo to some website as proof that what you're saying is factual.

Your reference to the website is not a reference to evidence. Didn't the LIOS ever teach you how to make a proper reference? If they did then you paid no attention. Since you attribute much of your misunderstandings of basic issues such as fact vs opinion, something my 2nd grader is learning, I'd have to suggest that LIOS doe snot meet the standards of the elementary schools in my district.

According to jeanvaljean's post, this is not the first time you have perpetrated a hoax. Repeatedly telling lies about journal articles and listening to voices in your head and repeating fantasies is not the hallmark of sanity.

Originally posted by jeanvaljean
Wow, you two... The make-up sex must be incredible!

Okay. Seriously.

Dragonridergal, I remember reading your threads last year and being absolutely gobsmacked when I found out you're not a teenage girl but a woman in her mid-fifties; I think it's all the *shrug* and *roll eyes* that threw me - and the Dungeons & Dragons stuff, of course.

The mythology you're spouting right now is identical in every detail, right down to set expressions such as "the NWO bunch" and the constant reminders of your double masters in family counselling. (Well, you haven't mentioned how your relatives used to be unicorns and how some dragon came down to earth because of you at that time in ancient history when you were riding him, or something like that.)
Yet, you accuse Stereo of rigid thinking.

The most glaring contradiction, though, is your insistence that everything is opinion and there's no such thing as fact, but you clearly imply that your subconscious imaginings are accurate historical reports (gong) and, while rejecting the scientific method, you repeatedly refer Stereo to some website as proof that what you're saying is factual.

You seem to live in a completely fluid world where the boundaries between fantasy and reality are so thin as to be non-existent.

Hey, jeanvaljean, thanks for sharing your opinion.

Certainly you are free to interpret things as you choose. What I see in the racial unconscious is what I see. It is, as always, my opinion of that which I discuss. Now if you can't understand that concept either, that isn't my problem any more than Stereo's inability to understand it is. *shrug*

And I am an expressive. That means I express, no matter what medium I express in, hence the 'shrugs' and the *rolling of eyes*. I am quite sure at the end of it all, YOU have no doubt as to what I mean or what I am feeling about what I mean.

And I do assure you, the boundries you mention aren't at all thin. I see what I see from the racial unconscious; I take it to be far more accurate than what NWO spun 'control' fiction you all choose to believe as 'fact'. I read books for fantasy. And I am never confused as to which is which. Sorry to disappoint.

And any source of information is just that. A source. Valid or not, is the reader's call. I find it very valid. Are you sure you aren't related to Heathen Hammer over on Myspace?? You sound just like him... he's the one who got the thread pulled in which he misposted a very serious question to his friends or mentor or boss or someone, wherein he asks if I was some how energetically connecting to the askaric library...

But hey, thanks for playing.

Originally posted by stereologist

You have completely ignored all my answers, made a bunch of yahoo claims disregarding any information sources given so you can keep your little fantasy about your bosses, (the NWO bunch) not existing, so you won't to lie to say you don't work for them as well as pretend I haven't done anything to support what I say and then misinterpret other stuff that I post, all in your efforts to discredit me.

About the only thing you have done is to attack me as some sort of member of a ficticious group from your yahoo imagination. You have provided nothing of value. Your answers are just lame smear tactics.

You told a lie about some article. Making up tall tales of nonexistent articles is worthless.
You make several racist comments. You've never addressed the issue because you are what you spout.

The issue is whether or not there is any evidence to your claim that any organization is planning to decimate the human population. All you can do is:
1. be racist
2. attack me

This leaves your claim as just another ridiculous hoax.

jeanvaljean wrote:

you repeatedly refer Stereo to some website as proof that what you're saying is factual.

Your reference to the website is not a reference to evidence. Didn't the LIOS ever teach you how to make a proper reference? If they did then you paid no attention. Since you attribute much of your misunderstandings of basic issues such as fact vs opinion, something my 2nd grader is learning, I'd have to suggest that LIOS doe snot meet the standards of the elementary schools in my district.

According to jeanvaljean's post, this is not the first time you have perpetrated a hoax. Repeatedly telling lies about journal articles and listening to voices in your head and repeating fantasies is not the hallmark of sanity.

*Sigh* You are trying sooooooo hard to discredit me. That right there says it all, I think. NWO stoogie behavior to the MAX. Otherwise, why bother?? And just because your bud, jean, agrees with you doesn't mean he any righter than you are. Probably just means he's one of you all too... calling in the reinforcements, are we?

And really 2nd graders would get this 'opinion vs. fact' stuff a LOT easier than hardwired, brain locked old stoogie type people such as yourself. But of course you aren't being paid to understand. You are being paid to do spin control aka discredit anyone who won't play the NWO spun game and their lame, half baked version of things. *shrug* I love how you make 'facts' out of your simple minded opinions though... cute.

Ohh and now I am 'smearing' you... boy, there is another lame NWO control tactic!! Political 'correctness' is so NWO control! You were a bit slow to bring that one out though. Well, all in all, you aren't really a very good stoogie. You're way too obvious.

You seem rigid, unoriginal in your thinking and in general kinda lame in your presentation. But hey, they probably have to take what they can get. Truly original thinkers wouldn't be so easily led around by the NWO spun versions of things, so they have to settle for those who are already solidly locked in their NWO spun box to begin with.

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You are trying sooooooo hard to discredit me.

You're doing such a wonderful job yourself I don't need to try.

So now you have to denigrate 2nd graders that are able to perform tasks that you are unable to perform. Shame on you. Just admit that LIOS stinks. Admit LIOS is a whopping failure. Admit LIOS can't provide the educational expertise a second grader receives in our district.

Are you ever going to make one iota of effort to support your claim that some group is planning to decimate the human population? I suppose not. It's so easy to spout nonsense.

This thread is long off topic despite my constant efforts to ask for evidence that a claim is true.

Since it is so off topic I must say that it reveals how poor our educational system is. It is stunning to me that people are unable to understand the difference between fact and opinion. What's even more interesting to me is the steadfast closed mind attitude that refuses to open the mind and the senses to learn the difference. Is this entrenched head in the sand behavior learned? Was this sad excuse for a school called LIOS responsible for this fear of learning? It seems to be. What flavor koolaid did this sorry excuse for a school offer?

rather odd discussion of what is fact and opinion. The problem with the 2+2 pov is that 2+2 equals 4 only because we all agree. In some cultures they have no words to describe totals that serve them no purpose. There is no number for 1 million for example, the concept does not even exist for some cultures with no need for it. Some have stated here that 1 million is a fact, but only because a need for such a number came about and a certain number of folks agreed that is the way it is - and so it became. But it is not a fact, as said culture with no need for 1 million does not recognize it at all. Does recognition change the fact or solidify it? Neither, the fact is most cases is simply consensus agreement.

Which leads to the problem. Fact based people tend to be very, very insecure people who require a consensus to feel safe and secure. So they demand "proof" before the will agree to anything. The have adopted the scientific method, by default as it is a consensus, to help them determine what is fact. Now, the same people who invented science, and the word, also invented another word "con-science" or conscience. The two are not tied in the way people who are insecure wish, it is clear by those who infected us with the idea of "fact based" science, also saw the terrible limitation as it relates to matters of consciousness and suggest that much is a matter of not fact, but what one experiences and to that all manner of things are added to the mix that are not fact.

Science and fact are like performing monkeys. Monkeys who do the same thing over and over again are attractive because the perform and make one feel secure - we'll pay to see them peform. Monkeys who can't get into the fact world, who act according to their own sense of self, are dismissed and won't be paid to be seen.

The true effort of fact is to assert control. Man on earth is so insecure that they are not in control of everything, so they devise ways of "facting" up the world in order to control and feel safe. The irony is, if they let go of the "facting" they will find the simply are in control of everything that happens to them as they are simply projecting a reality that isn't fact at all but consciousness expressing itself.

Facts are limitations for the individual, but for the collective they are wonderful limitations as they make everyone feel safe.

There is only one fact, just one. Freewill, all other "facts" are illusions. The goal is to know that, not see it, or think it, but know it. Until then you are just limited by your own thinking.

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2+2 = 4 is a fact that does not require consensus.

Your suggestion that consensus is required, or that a culture without a word for a magnitude indicates anything about the magnitude is unrelated to the issue of whether or not something is a fact or opinion. The fact that 2+2=4 was a fact even before there were people. The existence of people are not required to establish a fact. Regardless of the number system, or the symbols used to represent the quantities 2+2 = 4 is a fact.

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Fact based people tend to be very, very insecure people ...

I've seen this silly conclusion before. It is quite laughable to say the least. It's a claim often made by people that do not understand the difference between fact and opinion or those that want to propose an agenda that is demonstrably ridiculous. The argument begins with this introduction as a defense for the facts that condemn them to ridicule.

Although facts may be the basis for scientific work, facts are independent of science. It is the charlatan, the hoaxer, the liar, the deceiver, the fraud, the con artist that makes light of facts. These people prey on the naive by asking them to shut their eyes to evidence and facts as they deceive and lie. They demand that people being close minded. They want people to be uneducated. Education allows people to see through the lies.