U.S. to apologize for STD experiments in Guatemala

Wow. I just started reading "Betrayal of Trust: The Collapse of Global Public Health," by Laurie Garrett and just got to the part where the US was accused by some of testing bio-weapons on cities in India (Plague in the 90s).

They called it a conspiracy theory.

reply to post by Icarus Rising
Yeah "I'm sorry" doesn't really cut it does it?

60 years must be a magical number for our government to 'apologize' for an incident. it took them 60 years to say the gulf of tonkin incident was fabricated to go into vietnam. So is it going to take another 60 years to release the actual information on 911? I also wonder if infecting HIV was some how race related to since during that time blacks were also infected with HIV.

crazy world we live in.

Originally posted by daskakik

Originally posted by Becoming
Why would the US apologize?

Because it's good public relations.

Because it shows that the current government does not condone those types of actions.

It is psyops, typical mind control tactics. The governments of the large powers are currently carrying out the most demonic experiments on human beings, and on humanity as a whole.

This exercise, which is carried out at NO risk to the current government, creates the FALSE impression that they don't condone these experiments and are against experimenting on humans. But it is a blatant smoke and mirrors exercise by the very government which is currently carrying out the most inhumand and perverted experiments on human beings the world has ever seen.

Sadly, and to me incomprehensibly, the majority of people fall for this deceit.

Originally posted by dragnet53
60 years must be a magical number for our government to 'apologize' for an incident. it took them 60 years to say the gulf of tonkin incident was fabricated to go into vietnam. So is it going to take another 60 years to release the actual information on 911? I also wonder if infecting HIV was some how race related to since during that time blacks were also infected with HIV.

crazy world we live in.

Sixty years must probably mean that they are exempt from the consequences.

I just read this article on Yahoo news, and suprisingly enough comments were mysteriously "disabled" after about 23 remarks condemning the US government. Imagine that.

My response would be yes, this story is both incredibly tragic and disgusting. To know that this evil government that we live under has butchered, maimed, poisoned and murdered innocent civillians for decades now, all in the name of science, is to me nauseating and incredibly maddening.

They poisoned our own troops in Vietnam and the Gulf War, they gave syphillis to black soldiers during the Tuskegee experiments and watched these men as they went blind and insane, they have poisoned innocent civillians both here and in Iraq, they have sent people into the outer realms of sanity with projects like MK-Ultra.

And yet some people still cling to the notion that the government is our friend? They simply refuse to believe that our own government could be capable of blowing up our own buildings like on 9/11, or purposefully infecting our children with H1N1. My reply would be look at the proof, review the already admitted evidence. They have already done and admitted to far worse.

Pure evil is what you would call it. Im sure Joseph Mengele would be very proud.


Edit to add - I can only wonder what we will all be apologizing for 60 years from NOW

At the time of the Guatemalan experiment, no federal rules were in place governing the protection of human subjects, noted Dr. Francis Collins, the director of the National Institutes of Health.

Nonetheless, officials knew it was wrong.

The surgeon general at the time, Dr. Thomas Parran, said, ”You know, we couldn’t do such an experiment in this country.”

Just because there weren't rules or laws against it doesn't mean these people didn't know what they were doing was a crime against humanity. How's that for a double negative?

As for the end justifying the means in that the results of the study were important to scientific research and prevention of these diseases, that's a slippery slope. I think we can see around us today that the truth is the means determine the end. And the end isn't looking too pretty right now, is it?

I'm not sure what the gulf of Tonkin and 60 years has to do with all this, but that incident happened in 1964, so the 60 year time table would put disclosure on it at 2024. Just sayin'....

I did a quick search of the archives here at ATS and came up with a thread detailing The US Government's use of unwitting human subjects for scientific experiments on pathogens. I think everybody should look at least at the first post.

HISTORY OF SECRET EXPERIMENTATION
ON UNITED STATES CITIZENS

1931 Dr. Cornelius Rhoads, under the auspices of the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Investigations, infects human subjects with cancer cells. He later goes on to establish the U.S. Army Biological Warfare facilities in Maryland, Utah, and Panama, and is named to the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission. While there, he begins a series of radiation exposure experiments on American soldiers and civilian hospital patients.

1932 The Tuskegee Syphilis Study begins. 200 black men diagnosed with syphilis are never told of their illness, are denied treatment, and instead are used as human guinea pigs in order to follow the progression and symptoms of the disease. They all subsequently die from syphilis, their families never told that they could have been treated.

1935 The Pellagra Incident. After millions of individuals die from Pellagra over a span of two decades, the U.S. Public Health Service finally acts to stem the disease. The director of the agency admits it had known for at least 20 years that Pellagra is caused by a niacin deficiency but failed to act since most of the deaths occured within poverty-striken black populations.

1940 Four hundred prisoners in Chicago are infected with Malaria in order to study the effects of new and experimental drugs to combat the disease. Nazi doctors later on trial at Nuremberg cite this American study to defend their own actions during the Holocaust.

1942 Chemical Warfare Services begins mustard gas experiments on approximately 4,000 servicemen. The experiments continue until 1945 and made use of Seventh Day Adventists who chose to become human guinea pigs rather than serve on active duty.

1943 In response to Japan's full-scale germ warfare program, the U.S. begins research on biological weapons at Fort Detrick, MD.

1944 U.S. Navy uses human subjects to test gas masks and clothing. Individuals were locked in a gas chamber and exposed to mustard gas and lewisite.

1945 Project Paperclip is initiated. The U.S. State Department, Army intelligence, and the CIA recruit Nazi scientists and offer them immunity and secret identities in exchange for work on top secret government projects in the United States.

1945 "Program F" is implemented by the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission (AEC). This is the most extensive U.S. study of the health effects of fluoride, which was the key chemical component in atomic bomb production. One of the most toxic chemicals known to man, fluoride, it is found, causes marked adverse effects to the central nervous system but much of the information is squelched in the name of national security because of fear that lawsuits would undermine full-scale production of atomic bombs.

1946 Patients in VA hospitals are used as guinea pigs for medical experiments. In order to allay suspicions, the order is given to change the word "experiments" to "investigations" or "observations" whenever reporting a medical study performed in one of the nation's veteran's hospitals.

1947 Colonel E.E. Kirkpatrick of the U.S. Atomic Energy Comission issues a secret document (Document 07075001, January 8, 1947) stating that the agency will begin administering intravenous doses of radioactive substances to human subjects.

1947 The CIA begins its study of '___' as a potential weapon for use by American intelligence. Human subjects (both civilian and military) are used with and without their knowledge.

1950 Department of Defense begins plans to detonate nuclear weapons in desert areas and monitor downwind residents for medical problems and mortality rates.

1950 In an experiment to determine how susceptible an American city would be to biological attack, the U.S. Navy sprays a cloud of bacteria from ships over San Franciso. Monitoring devices are situated throughout the city in order to test the extent of infection. Many residents become ill with pneumonia-like symptoms.

1951 Department of Defense begins open air tests using disease-producing bacteria and viruses. Tests last through 1969 and there is concern that people in the surrounding areas have been exposed.

1953 U.S. military releases clouds of zinc cadmium sulfide gas over Winnipeg, St. Louis, Minneapolis, Fort Wayne, the Monocacy River Valley in Maryland, and Leesburg, Virginia. Their intent is to determine how efficiently they could disperse chemical agents.

1953 Joint Army-Navy-CIA experiments are conducted in which tens of thousands of people in New York and San Francisco are exposed to the airborne germs Serratia marcescens and Bacillus glogigii.

1953 CIA initiates Project MKULTRA. This is an eleven year research program designed to produce and test drugs and biological agents that would be used for mind control and behavior modification. Six of the subprojects involved testing the agents on unwitting human beings.

1955 The CIA, in an experiment to test its ability to infect human populations with biological agents, releases a bacteria withdrawn from the Army's biological warfare arsenal over Tampa Bay, Fl.

1955 Army Chemical Corps continues '___' research, studying its potential use as a chemical incapacitating agent. More than 1,000 Americans participate in the tests, which continue until 1958.

1956 U.S. military releases mosquitoes infected with Yellow Fever over Savannah, Ga and Avon Park, Fl. Following each test, Army agents posing as public health officials test victims for effects.

1958 '___' is tested on 95 volunteers at the Army's Chemical Warfare Laboratories for its effect on intelligence.

1960 The Army Assistant Chief-of-Staff for Intelligence (ACSI) authorizes field testing of '___' in Europe and the Far East. Testing of the european population is code named Project THIRD CHANCE; testing of the Asian population is code named Project DERBY HAT.

1965 CIA and Department of Defense begin Project MKSEARCH, a program to develop a capability to manipulate human behavior through the use of mind-altering drugs.

1965 Prisoners at the Holmesburg State Prison in Philadelphia are subjected to dioxin, the highly toxic chemical component of Agent Orange used in Viet Nam. The men are later studied for development of cancer, which indicates that Agent Orange had been a suspected carcinogen all along.

1966 CIA initiates Project MKOFTEN, a program to test the toxicological effects of certain drugs on humans and animals.

1966 U.S. Army dispenses Bacillus subtilis variant 'n-word' throughout the New York City subway system. More than a million civilians are exposed when army scientists drop lightbulbs filled with the bacteria onto ventilation grates.

1967 CIA and Department of Defense implement Project MKNAOMI, successor to MKULTRA and designed to maintain, stockpile and test biological and chemical weapons.

1968 CIA experiments with the possibility of poisoning drinking water by injecting chemicals into the water supply of the FDA in Washington, D.C.

1969 Dr. Robert MacMahan of the Department of Defense requests from congress $10 million to develop, within 5 to 10 years, a synthetic biological agent to which no natural immunity exists.

1970 Funding for the synthetic biological agent is obtained under H.R. 15090. The project, under the supervision of the CIA, is carried out by the Special Operations Division at Fort Detrick, the army's top secret biological weapons facility. Speculation is raised that molecular biology techniques are used to produce AIDS-like retroviruses.

1970 United States intensifies its development of "ethnic weapons" (Military Review, Nov., 1970), designed to selectively target and eliminate specific ethnic groups who are susceptible due to genetic differences and variations in DNA.

1975 The virus section of Fort Detrick's Center for Biological Warfare Research is renamed the Fredrick Cancer Research Facilities and placed under the supervision of the National Cancer Institute (NCI) . It is here that a special virus cancer program is initiated by the U.S. Navy, purportedly to develop cancer-causing viruses. It is also here that retrovirologists isolate a virus to which no immunity exists. It is later named HTLV (Human T-cell Leukemia Virus).

1977 Senate hearings on Health and Scientific Research confirm that 239 populated areas had been contaminated with biological agents between 1949 and 1969. Some of the areas included San Francisco, Washington, D.C., Key West, Panama City, Minneapolis, and St. Louis.

1978 Experimental Hepatitis B vaccine trials, conducted by the CDC, begin in New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco. Ads for research subjects specifically ask for promiscuous homosexual men.

1981 First cases of AIDS are confirmed in homosexual men in New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco, triggering speculation that AIDS may have been introduced via the Hepatitis B vaccine.

1985 According to the journal Science (227:173-177), HTLV and VISNA, a fatal sheep virus, are very similar, indicating a close taxonomic and evolutionary relationship.

1986 According to the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (83:4007-4011), HIV and VISNA are highly similar and share all structural elements, except for a small segment which is nearly identical to HTLV. This leads to speculation that HTLV and VISNA may have been linked to produce a new retrovirus to which no natural immunity exists.

1986 A report to Congress reveals that the U.S. Government's current generation of biological agents includes: modified viruses, naturally occurring toxins, and agents that are altered through genetic engineering to change immunological character and prevent treatment by all existing vaccines.

1987 Department of Defense admits that, despite a treaty banning research and development of biological agents, it continues to operate research facilities at 127 facilities and universities around the nation.

1990 More than 1500 six-month old black and hispanic babies in Los Angeles are given an "experimental" measles vaccine that had never been licensed for use in the United States. CDC later admits that parents were never informed that the vaccine being injected to their children was experimental.

1994 With a technique called "gene tracking," Dr. Garth Nicolson at the MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, TX discovers that many returning Desert Storm veterans are infected with an altered strain of Mycoplasma incognitus, a microbe commonly used in the production of biological weapons. Incorporated into its molecular structure is 40 percent of the HIV protein coat, indicating that it had been man-made.

1994

Senator John D. Rockefeller issues a report revealing that for at least 50 years the Department of Defense has used hundreds of thousands of military personnel in human experiments and for intentional exposure to dangerous substances. Materials included mustard and nerve gas, ionizing radiation, psychochemicals, hallucinogens, and drugs used during the Gulf War.

1995 U.S. Government admits that it had offered Japanese war criminals and scientists who had performed human medical experiments salaries and immunity from prosecution in exchange for data on biological warfare research.

1995 Dr. Garth Nicolson, uncovers evidence that the biological agents used during the Gulf War had been manufactured in Houston, TX and Boca Raton, Fl and tested on prisoners in the Texas Department of Corrections.

1996 Department of Defense admits that Desert Storm soldiers were exposed to chemical agents.

1997 Eighty-eight members of Congress sign a letter demanding an investigation into bioweapons use & Gulf War Syndrome.

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Apologies for the excessive quote.

Originally posted by quantum_flux
reply to post by LifeIsEnergy

 

Anybody who is getting STD's today it's their own fault for being permiscuous and practicing unsafe sex.

Are you some kind of nut?

Originally posted by christianpatrick
reply to post by Becoming

 

No doubt you feel the same way about the second world war? So the germans should quit apologising? The jews should just get over it? Good to know.

Yea, they should stop apologizing. How long should the German population be ashamed of what others did so long ago?

My family owned slaves, but I do not apologize for it. I didn't own them and the people who would get the apology wasn't involved.

Why people feel the need to apologize for the actions of others that are long dead are beyond me. I'm equally confused by the people who want it.

Originally posted by DevolutionEvolvd
reply to post by daskakik

 

.....just curious. What does SMH mean? Net talk and onliners such as your post are forbidden on here...

So.....do you care to explain what the hell that's supposed to mean?

SMH: Acronym for 'shake my head' or 'shaking my head.' Usually used when someone finds something so stupid, no words can do it justice.

Originally posted by UmbraSumus
reply to post by Icarus Rising

 

With the experiments happening over 60 years ago and presumably the people whom the experiment were conducted on were adults ...... well then , most of them are now dead .

No compensation for the dead .

Really?

So in your world Syphilis isn't congenital, only people of the exact same age make sex for a brief period of their lifes, STDs carry that name because they are not sexually transmitted and everyone dies at the same time in complete sync... yeah right.

Wake up! Syphilis without treatment leads to irreversible conditions that completely ruins ones life. From skin eruptions, cardiovascular problems to the total collapse of the nervous system. Put that on uninformed, underdeveloped population without access to doctors and you get yourself a huge long term problem.

This whole thing if true is beyond disgusting.

Originally posted by rusethorcain

Originally posted by quantum_flux
reply to post by LifeIsEnergy

 

Anybody who is getting STD's today it's their own fault for being permiscuous and practicing unsafe sex.

Are you some kind of nut?

He/she must be either a nut or someone that doesn't make any sex whatsoever. Ever.

Non-boring sex, you know that type where your partner doesn't sleep in the middle of it and non-virtual sex are never safe no matter how many precautions you take.

Originally posted by rusethorcain

Originally posted by quantum_flux
reply to post by LifeIsEnergy

 

Anybody who is getting STD's today it's their own fault for being permiscuous and practicing unsafe sex.

Are you some kind of nut?

Be kind. He/She may be the recipient of some kind of experimentation bought and paid for by his/her own tax dollars and the tax dollars of their "peers" and fellow citizens.

How many laws are there, specifally?
If you don't know how many laws there are, or what they are, how do you know if someone else is playing by the rules or not?

just some thoughts,
ET

I'm not a nut, however I do believe people should take responsibility for their actions. I wouldn't want to have taxpayers paying for everybody's std's and abortions. If you are sleeping with a lot of idiots and you get ghonorrea then it is your own stupid fault, that's all I'm saying. Certainly as heck we shouldn't be paying reparations for people who are being idiots in modern times.

Originally posted by quantum_flux
I'm not a nut, however I do believe people should take responsibility for their actions. I wouldn't want to have taxpayers paying for everybody's std's and abortions. If you are sleeping with a lot of idiots and you get ghonorrea then it is your own stupid fault, that's all I'm saying. Certainly as heck we shouldn't be paying reparations for people who are being idiots in modern times.

Nut or ignorant, take your pick.

Innocent victims were used as guinea pigs, unwittingly injected with Syphilis and Gonorrhea.
They were encoraged to continue to have unprotected sex, thus spreading it to their wives.
Syphilis is congenital; if the mother has it the baby can be born with it.
A mother infected with Gonorrhea can infect her baby during birth.
Therefore, even if everyone involved lived perfectly pure lives, there may be babies still being born with these conditions.

You, of course, are free to continue your irrelevant comments on the morality of the victims, just as we are free to regard such comments as indicative of an unbalanced mind.


Abortion is not relevant to the OP and is consequently off topic.

Lol when it comes to late apologies, the US is definitely the best at it. Better late than ever but always late.

The day that my future children and grandchildren have to apologize for something I did and have to right the wrongs I have committed will be the day that I roll over in my grave. This is a vile act performed by an entity that is almost untouchable in the justice system of any court, but what good does it do to have people that had next to nothing to do with these acts committed apologize?

I am not saying the US Government is innocent because it is not, obviously. I am saying it is a small consolation to the victims and their families. Just think about the birth defects caused by this project. There still may be a lingering effect going around.

I read this today and ironically each day the mentally ill are being treated worse than prisoners and subjected to a barrage of 'treatments' that arn't proven to be any better than mere air, water and time. When are people going to apologise for ECT?

Originally posted by havok
Here's the real thought of this 'apology'.

Since that took place 60 years ago...
...What have they done since?
And how bad will it get?

I imagine that if one knew that answer, they would go insane.

Now that is the question people should be asking. If you did this 60 years ago, what other experiments have you done to human beings, without their knowledge, since? Obviously this is not the type of practice you just stop doing, especially if you have been getting away with it to begin with. Maybe ........just maybe........ it explains this


Many people have suspected that what happened in Washington was some type of military experiment. We should be demanding answers. This is what is done with our Tax Dollars, WE fund this.