U.S. to apologize for STD experiments in Guatemala

I can't help but think this is just one of many of the cracks in the dam that is about to bust. One reads how people will soon be discovering just how much we have been abused and lied to and led down the ugly road. I wonder as well like Human Alien, if the Aids virus was just a germ warfare that went horribly wrong, or a deliberate action as well. I guess the truth to that will come out as well soon enough. If that apology comes 60 years from now, hopefully there will at least be a cure by then and we the future generation can say, "Oh that's to sad, glad we are better then that now."

I watched them report this on CNN. I was angry when the reporter said (I am paraphrasing here as I cannot recall the exact words) “This is new information coming to light” “It is hard to believe this took place”.

All I could think was “really?”. This has been out there for years look around, do some investigation, we (like those of us on ATS) have known about this, open your eyes, and listen to us for a change.

I mean I am glad this is getting some press but my guess is within 48 hours we will not be hearing about it again. As usual they will ignore facts of this stuff taking place and will ignore any other information that might even be similar in even the slightest way. It ticks me off to think that this will be tossed aside and forgotten and that it has been ignored all these years because it has nothing to do with the latest fashion, celebrity, or sports team.


Those of us on ATS and like places might as well talk to a brick wall while banging our heads against it.

Raist

This has already happened here the Tuskegee airmen and other black troops were infected with syphilis as an experiment.

I think what everyone needs to focus on is that, this was 64 years ago, today is now. The government of course should be blamed for and held accountable for this but what about today? With all the vaccinations and medicines and things, who knows what they're testing on us now that we don't know about. There are so many vaccinations out there for diseases, and who knows what those vaccinations are really doing to us. Here's a list of the vaccines used in the US, according to the cdc, and those are used throughout the US. Who's to say that one or two shipments of a vaccine aren't "accidentally" swapped with something else, just to see the affects on the person. I'm mad as heck at the government for what they did in Guatemala and I think it's inhuman and horrible, but I'm also concerned with today and what could possibly be going on in vaccines now.

Oh, and I've never gotten a flu shot and every year they keep saying "the flu is gonna be so horrible this year, you HAVE to get it this year!" and I've never gotten one and I haven't had the flu in years. yeah I get cold once a year but it's not severe or life threatening.

That's my $.02

I can't find any record on the net, but about 20 years back it was on the news in Australia that an American charity hospital for women in Gautemala had, many years back, experimented on their patients.

Women who had caesarians or hysterectomies had mould spores placed inside them and were followed up afterwards to see how many developed cancer.

I'd be interested to hear if anyone else heard about this.

Makes you really feel for those poor guys and gals that might be holed up in the VA hospitals don't it. Middle of the night and an unwitting guinea pig. Poor sumbtch went in for new surgery and year or so later is sick with some new strain of an old disease. Goes back to VA for treatment. Records are kept and black op scientists decide that one just didn't work as planned, let's get to work on the next round of super-flu, etc. Don't forget the other gov hospitals out there as well.
Probably would never happen and I need my tin hat. Tell that to those guatamalens.

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I'm with you. All too often people who choose not to vaccinate are looked upon as extreme or over-protective. I'm not sure why the government let this out, (and there is a reason) but with this as a fact, why would anyone submit to vaccinations? Even if you do trust your doctor, they don't know what's in those syringes and since you can get a flu-shot at every corner drugstore (and even Wal*mart) who knows what (or who) the government will decide to experiment on next! Swine flu anyone? It's time we stopped doing what we're told and started thinking for ourselves! Things will never change until we do.

A real apology would have been to ask, "How bad of an effect has this had on the Guatemalan population? How much of the current infection rate is directly attributable to our causes? What will it take to repair the damage we have caused?" and then pledged to conduct studies of all kinds to answer these questions, then pledge to act accordingly to those findings.

Sad...

Originally posted by havok
Here's the real thought of this 'apology'.

Since that took place 60 years ago...
...What have they done since?
And how bad will it get?

I imagine that if one knew that answer, they would go insane.

Excellent point, havock. Insightful and true, imo. I assume you meant that it is not so much an apology, as a threat? Yes, insanity is an option. all you have to do is talk about 'today' with someone in 'authority'. Apparently one is not diagnosed as being 'schizophrenic'. One merely has to reveal their thoughts. If you don't alter them, away you go. Nearly every conspiracy in existence is a direct result of tech developments, economic subservience and dependency on the industries involved (mostly with assemblers and suppliers having no idea what they are contributing to), and new zionist pc rules to expedite the outcome. This is a sick age.

It's a Startrek sort of a question.
Do the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few? What you decide determines who you are.
hubpages.com...

The pattern held true from "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" through "Star Trek Insurrection". Unlike the majority of the "Star Trek" films, "Star Trek Insurrection" hinged on a moral question, rather than a practical one. The question of whether the needs of the many should permit the exploitation of the few. Star Trek Insurrection's answer that the few could never be exploited and dispossessed, regardless of the great benefits this exploitation would bring to the many, did not sit well with critics, many of whom like Roger Ebert protested that they would actually support Admiral Doughery's actions and in doing so only further demonstrated the timeliness of the ideas in the movie they were attacking. We live in a WallMart world driven by consumerism and the lowest deal, living by buying shoddy products from third world countries made by slave or child labor. Not only do the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, but we live in an economy where the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many. The Son'a with their plastic surgery and their greedy pursuit of youth represent a mirror for our culture and society. The Ba'ku by contrast, with their emphasis on a peaceful and simple life, represent an alternative path.

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There are different conclusions as to the purpose of non-interference. One is that the ends do not justify the means. No matter how well-intentioned, stepping in and effecting change could have disastrous consequences. Another conclusion (strongly implied in the ENT episode "Dear Doctor") is a belief that evolution has a "plan" of sorts, driving species toward purposes. Interference would therefore be unnatural, in that it would go against what is supposed to happen to the species in question.

I don't think the US is the only country to participate in such underhanded and unethical behavior.
There were the Nazi's.
I remember learning about a birth control method, I forget the name, where they shoot the birth control drug in the hip and it lasts about 6 months. Progesterone or something...anyway I asked my doctor "Is this drug safe?"

He said, yes sure it is safe.
For years Catholic institutions injected this drug into the hips of mentally ill, disadvantaged, and homeless women and girls, so the orderlies, caretakers and other patients wouldn't knock them up.

He used more genteel words to say it but I remember being quite shocked at the revelation.
Floored actually.

Abortion was out of the question for these Catholic Charities so it was a regular practice for years.
This was considered the "testing" phase of the drug.

This was taking place right here in America...on Americans.

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No doubt you feel the same way about the second world war? So the germans should quit apologising? The jews should just get over it? Good to know.

All i have to say is that this story affected me deeply today. My neighbor's are from Guatemala and their country deserves a FAT check for the damages. That's all I'm going to say about that. People say, if you don't like it... then go back to your country... When you hear a story like this, its even more convincing that you have no place to live in peace in this prison planet.

why only 16 flags? well, probably because most americans dont want to even read this news

I mean ... didnt the nazis do that to some kind of group of people, anyone remember?

isnt that ... the freaking same ???????????????????????????????????????? ...

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Yes, I think it is the same. And I agree with the other poster who had some friends there, reparations should be paid.

And no Americans don't want to face or admit to anything like this.
We will go through the 4 stages of loss or grief.
The first is denial.


Right now I will bet a large faction of Americans will deny this is a true report/finding. They'll be the birthers, those who think Global Warming is a hoax, Obama is a Muslim and Building 7 came down because of an Airplane.
Someone innocuous from the "right" will blurt out this study is preposterous, a hoax.
Just another attempt by Hillary and the left to slander our great country!
Obama apologizing for America again.
When will we stop appeasing other countries?

This new "hoax" story will gain LEGGS....in the media.


Sure. eventually the truth will out.

But there will be no need to muck up this election cycle with more of our failure as a country.
In fact we can use it in our favor...For pity's sake..INSPIRE THE PEOPLE!

This is what the Republican platform will be in spite of our failings. How great America is.
And in many ways they will be right. But the Democrats will be the messenger who is shot.


I just heard Mark Rubio in FL say at a rally with Mitt Romney

Do you believe in an America that is Exceptional and Unique ???

or Do you believe in an America that's just like everybody else?

Americans will respond to this message.

We will want to return to the belief, true or not...
America is EXCEPTIONAL & UNIQUE.

Listen for this as a catch phrase during the next 30 days.

It will resonate with 2 groups, those who just can't handle bad news and the hopelessly stupid.
There are a lot of both.

Medical ethics was different back then. This was the days of segregation where blacks were viewed as "lesser people" too. A lot has changed in our world since then, human rights have come a long way. It is hard to believe, but nowadays such unethical research is extremely tough to get away with, it only takes a few whistle blowers with internet access to expose unethical crimes.

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Anybody who is getting STD's today it's their own fault for being permiscuous and practicing unsafe sex.

Originally posted by Faiol
why only 16 flags? well, probably because most americans dont want to even read this news

I mean ... didnt the nazis do that to some kind of group of people, anyone remember?

isnt that ... the freaking same ???????????????????????????????????????? ...

edit on 2/10/10 by Faiol because: (no reason given)

Why so few flags? The reason is at the time this thread was being crushed by a thread about pot.

More people care about pot being legal or at least less illegal than they care about other human beings or what terrible things governments do.

I agree with you sentiment though and was a bit disgusted that the thread getting more attention than this one considering we have been talking about this stuff for years and it is far more important.

Raist

Some in the government released the information. Not everyone in the government is in on this. It doesn't mean that now everything is ok and we can trust them. You're going to have people of all types in the government.

Their could also be a scam going. Kick backs from any settlement that may occur with public funds for example.

Enjoy.

globalskywatch.com...

Originally posted by Icarus Rising

Now, according to the US government, these atrocities were perpetrated over 60 years ago. I'm sure this is just the tip of the iceberg. If this is what they are willing to admit to, who knows what other heinous acts they are still hiding? It puts all the stories of the US government testing biological agents on unsuspecting populations at home and abroad in a new light.

Oh ya, you, me, we, us, are all lab rats. The experiments are not worth studying if we know we are participants, though...

In 1980 the CIA was sued by nine victims of Dr. Cameron's mind control research.

They were each awarded $100,000 in compensatory damages

(reference 6:38)

around 3:11 this video discusses aspects of the same subject.
some related info:





In G.O.D. we trust...

The G.O.D. (Governments Of Dollars) will let us know what they need us to know via programming by the M.S.M. (Mind Systems Manipulators).

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