U.S. to apologize for STD experiments in Guatemala

reply to post by daskakik


It was 60 years ago.

I think the US should stop aplogizing for anything that happened more then 20 years ago. Each administration gets a 20 year gap they can apologize for and thats it.

If that country is still holding a grudge over it then I don't think a simple apology with do the trick.

Originally posted by Becoming
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan

 

You have fun being one of those people who thinks the NWO or someone else runs things.

I don't buy or follow that train of thought so you just lost me.

That is fine. You don't have to agree with me.

But the facts of the case point to it being the truth. Regardless of what you think. If you want to see, start with Project Paperclip, include The Red House Report, and conclude with just about everything to happen since Reagans October Surprise.

Originally posted by Becoming
reply to post by daskakik

 

It was 60 years ago.

I think the US should stop aplogizing for anything that happened more then 20 years ago. Each administration gets a 20 year gap they can apologize for and thats it.

If that country is still holding a grudge over it then I don't think a simple apology with do the trick.

It isn't the apology. It is recognizing what has happened.

Of course, there has to be a reason the news was made public. You don't fall on your sword for no good reason, you know?

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


Thanks, I'll pass trying to find out if there really is a secret fictional group out there running the whole world.

reply to post by daskakik



.....just curious. What does SMH mean? Net talk and onliners such as your post are forbidden on here...

So.....do you care to explain what the hell that's supposed to mean?

Originally posted by Becoming
reply to post by daskakik

 

It was 60 years ago.

I think the US should stop aplogizing for anything that happened more then 20 years ago. Each administration gets a 20 year gap they can apologize for and thats it.

If that country is still holding a grudge over it then I don't think a simple apology with do the trick.

It's just symbolic.

If they could go through the trouble of infecting almost 700 people with STDs and record what happened than what's wrong with the present government saying we're sorry that that government did that.

Also that country is my country and we didn't know about it until just know. Does it anger me? No. Does it surprise me? Also a firm no.

reply to post by daskakik


What good is an apology, even a symbolic one, if its not from the people who did it?

To me its a waste of time for both countries to be talking about.

reply to post by Becoming


Well it not being from the people responsible is what makes it symbolic. It's the current government showing that they don't approve of what was done.

So someone dug this info up and put it out in public and in order to save face the US offers an apology. Doesn't seem like a waste of time to me.

reply to post by DevolutionEvolvd


That wasn't me. I'm innocent I tell you!

I also want to know what SMH means.

Sorry...seems like ATS has a case of the grhemlins......

reply to post by daskakik


Then that is your opinion and I hope you get something out of the apology.

My opinion is that it is a waste of time and should not be done.

Now, if it can be proven that these experiments have harmed some of your living countrymen then I feel only they deserve an apology. I don't mean a simple "I'm sorry" either. They should have the best medical care offered to them free of charge and given some type of monetary gift.

Other then that, everyone needs to accept the fact that it was a differant time back then. People thought and acted differantly towards some people. The world for the most part has greatly improved their way of doing things. We can't keep apologizing, symbolic or not, for things that happened so long ago.

Still wondering if HIV was government-sponsoredt?
Let this be a lesson of what our government is truly capable of doing. And keep in mind, this is only a portion of what they're admitting to!!!
Amazing! A simple apology exonerates 'em all. I wish 'life' worked that way for all of us!

reply to post by Human_Alien


A simple apology is not enough for you?

It would be like you having to pay for the crimes your grandfather commited, hopefully he didn't commit murder. You might find yourself paying for his crimes with your way of thinking.

reply to post by Becoming


There is no way that I can get anything out of the apology. I know it's only symbolic and also because I accept the fact that it was a different time back then. You on the other hand seem to feel that the US loses something when it does this sort of thing.

The thing is that they will do it this time and probably every other time that something like happens because it's protocol.

The Guatemala experiments, which were conducted between 1946 and 1948, never provided any useful information and the records were hidden.

They were discovered by Susan Reverby, a professor of women's studies at Wellesley College in Massachusetts and were posted on her website.

Reverby, who has written extensively about the Tuskegee experiments, found the evidence while conducting further research on the Alabama syphilis study.

(from the article linked in the OP)

I guess the records weren't hidden well enough. This exposure is what prompted the apology. Like I indicated, the apology came as a result of the exposure. Most likely, there never would have been an apology if the study hadn't been found and exposed by Susan Reverby. She may have made some very powerful people very angry. I hope she either has some good leverage or an even better security team. Either that or she was allowed to find the poorly hidden research for reasons along the lines already addressed in this thread.

reply to post by Becoming


Wait a second. Doing something wrong comes with consequences. An apology isn't a ''get out of jail' free card but the government sure as hell uses it like one!

STDs can be and are very dangerous. It also causes birth defects that we (60 years later) might still be paying for.
Don't make this into a non-incidental. This is a big deal and....this was done on PURPOSE. The government is suppose to protect us not infect us!

I really don't understand ppl disapproving of an apology because it happened 60 years ago.

It's the least they can do.

reply to post by daskakik


I don't think they will lose anything by it, I just think its a waste of time.

But like you said, its protocol and I will accept it being done like I do anything else that is protocol.

reply to post by igor_ats


I gave my reasons. Whether you understand them or not is not a concern of mine. I don't understand why you think its the least they can do, when those doing the apology had nothing to do with it, but it is your opinion and that I can understand.

Not that it's right, or anything, but some of the best research regarding bioenergetics and metabolism were conducted in germany and austria and many of them were starvation studies conducted on prisoners. Most of it was dismissed by western doctors and researchers.

I'm not condoning this, but there are some good things that come out of it.