Should Insurance Pay For Abortion?

Explain how my statement was Sexist, for Starters... and THEN I will respond to your accusation.


Remember, if you Bluff... be prepared to have your Bluff Called.

Not a problem. You claimed abortion occurs because the woman couldn't "keep her legs together". You referred to it as "her mistake".

What about the man who laid with that women who couldn't keep her legs together? What about HIS mistake? Both parties are equally to blame, and yet you feel it is entirely the woman's fault here.

And you would rather that she took NO blame, amirite?

Sort of... playing a Perpetual Victum whose Vote Matters in Government, but cannot be expected to be responsible for her own actions.

Again, nice straw man. Are you EVER going to address the actual post, or do you prefer to just ramble about things no one has said?

I never claimed anyone else should take the whole blame for an unwanted pregnancy. It is equally the woman AND the man's fault. They both decided to have sex, and if anyone is to be "blamed", it should be both participants, not just the woman, as you have suggested.

reply to post by hardamber

If insurance would pay for abortions, it would be extremely hypocritical of them. They do not cover birth control as far as I know. They won't help prevent pregnancy, but they should help end an unwanted pregnancy?

Sorry, had To interject....


Why would you want Insurance (Which is what you pay for *JUST IN CASE* you have an accident that costs more than your Net Worth to Fix.... ) to cover something that you can just PAY for.... like, Over the Counter?

Wouldn't that make your premiums go up in proportion to how much birth control you use... or how many of your pregnancies you abort?

-Edrick (I'm just Saying)

Why would you want Insurance (Which is what you pay for *JUST IN CASE* you have an accident that costs more than your Net Worth to Fix.... ) to cover something that you can just PAY for.... like, Over the Counter?

Wouldn't that make your premiums go up in proportion to how much birth control you use... or how many of your pregnancies you abort?

-Edrick (I'm just Saying)

Oral contraceptives are not over the counter, thus requiring a doctor's visit, a prescription, and a copay.

Do you purposely post entirely inaccurate statements, or are you genuinely just uninformed?

reply to post by VneZonyDostupa


Oh... here we Go.

Not a problem. You claimed abortion occurs because the woman couldn't "keep her legs together"

Are you implying that All Pregnancies are the Result of Rape?

Are you Implying that the Woman had no FREE WILL TO CHOOSE in ALL CIRCUMSTANCES?


That she did not CONSENT to have Sex?



Are you implying that all abortions ARE from RAPES?

You referred to it as "her mistake".

Well, they put erasers on pencils for the same reason that you use the coathanger.

Apparently she thought that she was Ready to have a Child.


Apparently, She was Mistaken, and decided to have an Abortion.


Making her CHOICE to not use Contraception, or Abstain from Sex..... a *Mistake*


"OOPS! had a little "Cancer" in my tummy..... it was Cancer because I didn't want it.... a Danger to my Life it was."

Indeed.

What about the man who laid with that women who couldn't keep her legs together? What about HIS mistake?

Was it a mistake?


He had Sex, yes... but was it Abortion Sex?


Or was it "Ima Havin Yo Baby!" Sex?

You never tell us beforehand...



You just like to surprise us.

"I've decided that the sex we had 3 weeks ago is going to cost you Monthly for 18 Years!"


Or....


"Abortion was Here"


We don't Get to pick which one happens..... because it is YOUR BODY, YOUR CHOICE.



Well, If that little "Cancer" growing in your Body is *YOU* and *YOURS* then *YOU* take Care Of It.


-Edrick (A=A)

reply to post by VneZonyDostupa

Oral contraceptives are not over the counter, thus requiring a doctor's visit, a prescription.

But.... the Doctor doesn't GIVE you the pills... Does He?


No... he Gives you a piece of paper, that you take to the Drugstore, and trade the piece of paper OVER THE COUNTER to the pharmacist.

and a copay.

They REQUIRE a Copay?


Do they?

Do you purposely post entirely inaccurate statements, or are you genuinely just uninformed?

How About You?

-Edrick

Well I have read the entire thread and I only have a couple of things to add.
1) When speaking of the federal governments involvement- A lot seem to think it should be perfectly OK to use tax dollars to cover abortion and people against abortion should not have a say in the matter (from what I have read thus far).
So it would be ok for my tax dollars to pay for something I do not believe in, to help you do what you believe in?
2) I read a lot about the mans rights or the women's rights. It is sad that the baby does not have a say in the abortion. Maybe he/she should have the right to abort the parents.

reply to post by Annee


My insurance NEVER paid for birth control. My sister has to pay for hers and so do some other friends of mine. You are fortunate.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Nivcharah
I'm going to add here that I am Pro-Choice, because my belief system revolves around choices. We all have choices to make and there are consequences that result from those choices. I also believe businesses have a right to run their businesses (it's called "free market"). When an agency or govt starts dictating what must be covered, then the rates for premiums sky-rocket. With the first stage of "Obamacare" (as it's being called) the rates have already gone thru the roof so much that people are already becoming unable to afford private health insurance.

Oh Yeah! Someone has to blame Obama.

Out of EVERYTHING I stated in my post, the only thing you got out of that was an attack on Obama? I don't blame Obama. That healthcare plan was a work in progress before he even announced running for POTUS.

I don't understand why some of you are attacking my beliefs of personal choice? I'm PRO-Choice. That means I also believe that I have the choice to say "I don't want my tax dollars going to pay for someone elses abortions." If people are so dead set on covering abortions, then maybe there should be a different plan with a premium that charges for abortions so those of us who believe in a better form of birth control can pay a lower premium.

Another alternative to abortion IS adoption. I know many people who would love to adopt a child born in the USA, but securing that adoption is a risk due to the laws and the waiting list. I've seen many a hearts be broken when celebrities use their status to pull rank.

And for those of you who argue the trauma and inconvenience a pregnancy puts a woman's body through, have you no CLUE what havoc an abortion wreaks with a woman's body and psyche?

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I think if Abortion is said by the doctor to be "medically necessary" for the mothers health, be it emotional or physical, then sure, like any other procedure it should be covered.

Why should it not be?

reply to post by Quadrivium


Why should tax dollars not go for things you dont believe in? I dont believe the war in Iraq is a good cause, nor do I think Homeland Security is worth having, there are tons of things my tax dollars go to that I do not agree with. But guess what? Its not all about me, nor is it all about you. Or your spiritual or moral beliefs. Medical care is between a person and their doctor, and the insurance provider. Not between them and some other person who has nothing really to do with them.

Men just need to give up on this, abortion should be a woman's issue and insurance should pay for it. Abortion is a medical procedure, that should be all that needs to be said. Its not like abortion is a tatoo or a gender change or some body modification, no an abortion is a necessary procedure at times. Sometimes the complications of a pregnancy may kill the woman or the baby, what is the point of the baby being a still born? Also insurance should cover the psychiatric needs a woman may have after an abortion. Whether you agree or disagree with abortion isnt the point because abortion isnt going anywhere.

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I am pro-life before I say this... Women have to purchase a maternity rider, abortion should be the same.

Originally posted by HappilyEverAfter

 

I'm not a follower of any religion, but I still have the personal belief that once cell division begins and there is growth, that it is life, it is alive.

so when a plant has cell division and growth, it's alive, right? i'm assuming you eat some kind of plant. MURDERER!!!

I can understand the debate I guess, but it's a form of health care as it's a medical procedure.

There's not much else to it.

Originally posted by Megagrogan

Originally posted by HappilyEverAfter

 

I'm not a follower of any religion, but I still have the personal belief that once cell division begins and there is growth, that it is life, it is alive.

so when a plant has cell division and growth, it's alive, right? i'm assuming you eat some kind of plant. MURDERER!!!

edit on 1-10-2010 by Megagrogan because: bad quote :&

So you would eat a baby fetuse?

No I should not have to pay for some woman to abort her child if she unless her life is endangered, she was raped or is a victim of incest. Beyond those conditions no I will not pay for it if shes grown and mature enough to have sex then she is grown and mature enough to deal with the consequences of her actions. I am seeing a lot of well she is a grown woman and should be considered responsible enough to decide whether she wants to be a mother or not. I have a news flash for you if she was responsible at all she wouldn't have landed in that predicament to begin with.

Oh its great we get to hear an awful lot of "It's my body", "It's my choice, not yours". Yet somehow if the woman decides to have the kid you go after the man who helped produce it and expect him to take up responsibility for it using the logic "Well you helped make it". What the hell kind of thinking is that? So go ahead and get all feminazi on us but the truth is it isn't about anything but someone trying to push off their responsibilities and asking me to pay for it.

By the way if your to stupid to use birth control your really to stupid to have sex anyway.

Simple fact is that for the most part abortions are ELECTIVE and should not be taxpayer funded.

Originally posted by Nivcharah

Out of EVERYTHING I stated in my post, the only thing you got out of that was an attack on Obama? I don't blame Obama. That healthcare plan was a work in progress before he even announced running for POTUS.

Then why did you feel the need to even bring Obama into this - - - in your first paragraph (I believe).

Of course it is not the only thing I read in your post.

Women who've had two abortions should automatically have their tubes tied if they come in for a third abortion, no matter who's paying the bill. No ifs, ands, or buts. Same goes for women who've had three children out of wedlock at the State's expense. Their tubes should automatically be tied after delivery of the third child. No if, ands, or buts.

As far as insurance companies covering abortions? Yes. The State? Yes. Why? Because we don't want to see women or children being forced into back-alley abortions ever again. Ever.

Now for the truly controversial comments. I'm going to suggest that insurance companies should only be required to cover the birth of the first three children. After that, if families want more children they better find a good midwife and buy a birthing chair. As far as healthcare for the already living. I DO NOT support maintaining vegetable gardens. Period. When to pull the plug is still up for debate.

Originally posted by SpudMacIntyre
Women who've had two abortions should automatically have their tubes tied if they come in for a third abortion, no matter who's paying the bill. No ifs, ands, or buts. Same goes for women who've had three children out of wedlock at the State's expense. Their tubes should automatically be tied after delivery of the third child. No if, ands, or buts.

It takes TWO. It's shocking how many men - - just really don't understand biology.

Since the woman is incapable of getting pregnant on her own - - - the fault must lie with the delivery system of the sperm.

Therefore - - - Snipping the Male - - - should be the responsible choice. Leave the women alone.