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Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
As a woman, I'm a bit shocked our society still doesn't recognize the female half of their population as being responsible enough to make decisions about her own body.
Originally posted by Nivcharah
Should the insurance policy cover an abortion for any form of sexual assault? No.The assailant should cover those bills.
If a woman is truly responsible enough to make decisions about her own body, she would make the decision that would not result in an unwanted pregnancy (celibacy or birth control). If a woman makes the decision to engage in activities that result in an unwanted pregnancy, then SHE should pay for her abortion
We should also remember that health insurance policies are intended to cover care that is preventative and medically necessary. Arguments to cover Viagra are a stretch, but covering infertility or voluntary abortions are a personal decision that are not medically necessary.
Many insurance policies do not even cover birth control pills, not because they would rather pay for a pregnancy but because it is not medically necessary. They will usually cover male and female sterilization, but not the reversal. Again, because the latter is not medically necessary and the former costs the insurance company less than a pregnancy costs.
We need to have LESS govt involvement over what insurance companies must cover so the premiums are affordable for all.
The only things that are truly necessary are preventative care and trauma/injury. If you get regular physicals / dental care / vision care, exercise and eat healthy there is a really good chance you won't even need to see a doctor with the exception of injuries.
Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
Good luck with that one. The time it takes to go through a court preceding, convict a rapist (in which monetary awards cannot be given), and then take them through a civil trial to cover the cost of the abortion, is typically longer than the human gestation period. Also, what do you do if the rapist simply doesn't have the money!
So, you've never made a mistake and forgotten to take your medicine one day? What about women who take antibiotics, not knowing that certain antibiotics can interact (and negate) certain types of birth control? I can't blame the patient for that.
What about women who are drug addicts or alcoholics? Most of them certainly can't afford an abortion. Why shouldn't there be a stopgap for those sorts of situations?
So, because YOU don't think it's a medical necessity (having never been in the situation), you think it's okay to make a blanket statement that affects 49-50% of the population?
Do you understand what a physical and emotional toll a pregnancy, even when wanted, is on a woman? Can you even fathom what it would be like to have to give birth to a child you don't want, or who was forced upon you, simply because you can't afford an abortion?
Most insurers cover birth control with a small copay of usually $10-20 for a several month prescription. Get your facts straight.
Less government oversight causes insurance companies to dump cancer patients because they "felt they should have known" they had cancer (I've seen this several times), causes them to refuse new treatments because "they feel the old therapy works well enough" (this is common), and refuse to treat children with congenital conditions because they were diagnosed prior to birth, when coverage begins.
Why does that sound like a good system to you?
All of these can occur even with the best diet, best preventative measures, and an excellent exercise program. To say otherwise is absolute and complete ignorance of human biology.
Originally posted by Phlegmi
Abortion is a legal medical procedure, there is no reason why it should not be covered by insurance.
Originally posted by Nivcharah
That's the nice thing about Planned Parenthood. They are more affordable. And if a woman doesn't want a child she will not wait until she actually receives restitution for her medical bills to get the abortion. If you incur medical bills as a result of sexual assault (broken arm, concusion), you CAN sue the assailant for those bills. However, because it is an injury, some health insurance companies will cover the Morning After pill (it's usually called the Supplemental Accident Benefit and may not limited to the exclusions of the policy but a set dollar amount).
So you think the insurance company should pay the costs of an abortion because the policy holder was negligent to take her medication as prescribed or the physician/pharmacist didn't tell her about drug interactions?
Or if she chose to participate in illegal activities and can't afford the abortion the INSURANCE COMPANY should be responsible for covering an abortion?
If a woman does not want to get pregnant, she will be certain to use whatever is necessary to prevent an unwanted pregnancy. It is a woman's responsibility to inform her physician she is taking BCP (if that is what she is using) and then it is the physician's responsibility to inform her that the medication being prescribed with cancel out her BCP's. There are even pharmacies (if you use the same company for everything) that have systems in place to tell the pharmacist which drugs you are prescribed may/will interact adversely with other drugs on your file.
The "stopgag" to getting pregnant is called celibacy or sterilization. No one else should have to pay for another woman to have an abortion because she got pregnant through negligence or risky behavior.
elective abortion is NOT considered medically necessary by insurance companies (check out your policy limits and exclusions)
If a woman does not want to get pregnant she should keep her legs together.
If she was sexually assaulted, she can usually request the Morning After pill which is quite affordable.
While I put myself through graduate school working for my doctorate, I worked for an insurance company as an Expert Medical Analyst (processing claims, reviewing for pre-existing and medical necessity). Not ALL of the policies covered BCP's. There are policies employers may choose from. I have worked for companies with policies that DID and did NOT cover various methods of birth control. You should check your facts and know who your audience is before telling someone to get their facts straight.
This is not caused by less govt oversight, because not all insurance companies are this horrible. This is caused by unscrupulous, greedy business men with no morals who want to pad their already deep pockets w/ more lining.
There are flaws in every system that need to be worked out. The company I worked for, and the companies I have been insured by, have never denied congenital conditions on children or new borns. If a new treatment is denied because it is considered 'experimental' or there is something just as effective but costs less, then I agree with the insurance company.
I find it laughable that you are calling me ignorant of human biology considering I have taught human anatomy at a college and helped med students to study and pass USMLE steps 1 & 2.
While some of the dis-eases you list are not easily (or at all) curable, the number of people with these conditions are rare compared to the vast number of people who are covered by insurance and the costs would easily be absorbed by the group premium.
As for Cancer, pneumonia and the flu? Well, I've had all three of those and them some (pneumonia chronically) and when I stopped getting the vaccines and started eating better (2 kiwi a day took care of all my viral issues, including asthma) it all went away. How we age is related to how healthy a life we live (diet, exercise & meditation). We can't stop the aging process but we can do it better.
What you've done is argue insurance companies denying medically necessary treatments with elective services. In the case of unwanted pregnancies, abortion is an elective treatment (like breast implants) and insurance companies should not be forced to pay for them.
Most abortions that are medically necessary are actually planned or wanted babies. I've only seen one situation where an unwanted pregnancy became a med nec abortion because the woman needed to have surgery (in which case, I paid the claim for the abortion).
Originally posted by calstorm
If a woman willing spread her legs,
Originally posted by Xiamara
It should totally be covered... Why shouldn't it is the reason and if you say the bible anywhere in your post, its a womans choice. Secondly if you say its a womans job or her fault may i point out rape and men who think its funny to pop holes in condoms, as a prank. A stupid one... Also Accidents happen, I am an accident Doubling up on contraceptives even fails so abortion should be covered.
Excluding abortion from coverage sends us down a slippery "moral" slope. "Government policies that are based on the theory that private policyholders should not be forced to see their premiums used to cover things they consider immoral would result in a return to the days when contraception was not covered in individual plans for unmarried women and pregnancy was excluded in individual insurance plans and only covered in 'family plans,'"
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Should people who oppose sex outside of marriage determine who gets covered for childbirth? By the same argument, we could also -- for example -- exclude coverage for HIV and AIDS if contracted through homosexual conduct." To which Katha Pollitt adds: "That many people disapprove of abortion is irrelevant. In a democracy, every citizen sees their tax dollars go for things they think are wrong."
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"Why should abortion be covered? Because sometimes abortion is medically necessary, and the government shouldn't be writing regulations from Washington that tell a woman in Kansas when that is.
Again I want to point out that I am talking only about cases where the woman willing opened her legs.
If a woman willingly has sex fully aware of the consequences, know that the condom could break birth control pills could fail, ect. than it is an elective procedure. By making an informed decision to have sex she agreed to consequences of her actions.
Originally posted by calstorm
Again I want to point out that I am talking only about cases where the woman willing opened her legs.
If a woman willingly has sex fully aware of the consequences, know that the condom could break birth control pills could fail, ect. than it is an elective procedure. By making an informed decision to have sex she agreed to consequences of her actions.
Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
Originally posted by calstorm
If a woman willing spread her legs,
Well, since apparently women are able to produce an abortion simply by spreading their legs, without any willing male to assist in the act, I suppose you're right.
Oh! Wait! Every pregnant woman has a willingly involved male counterpart! I keep forgetting, since pro-lifers keep reminding me that women are whores, baby killers, and incompetent.