Christianity does not allow for the existiance of alien lifeforms - despite the attempts to promote

I'm a Protestant Christian and I don’t think there are Aliens,, I know there are.

It’s ironic how you tied your NWO theory to my opposing views of the same situation here. www.abovetopsecret.com...

I agree that the church doesn’t take much notice of this subject; however I have studied Bible philosophy and UFOlogy long enough to see the connection, especially given the facts in Revelation and other areas of study. I’m curious if you believe in the rapture and what excuse you think the government will have when millions of people vanish in thin air or how these false miracles will be achieved with the Anti-Christ. He will most likely come bearing fleets to decieve the masses.

Many Christian researchers feel the UFO phenomenon is a lying sign and wonder and a powerful DELUSION, which will be embraced by those who refuse to believe the Bible. This powerful delusion having global impact is exactly what Christians were warned about 2,000 years ago. We must to prepare for, as part of the final rise of the Anti-Christ. Not to be deceived and in awe of such incredible false miracles in the sky.

i think those who do not want to believe there is a god, will of course be forced to believe that the correlation between extraterrestials and christianity is non-existent.

i think when a christian - free of the fragrance of man-made religion, who is open-minded and intelligent, free of artificiality and hypocrisy - talks about these seemingly "un-christian" subjects, it makes god-haters, nonspiritual people, etc very uncomfortable. for if they were to consider the compelling arguments brought forth by these particular christians, it would mean they would be that much closer to realizing the authenticity of the bible - and that would just be simply intolerable!

so...in desperation, they are forced to close their mind completely to the possibility. and they are the ones who say christians are close-minded. oh, the hypocrisy!

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May I ask a personal question? oops,, Do you believe in both God and Aliens? Have you seen my take on things with the Christian Symposium at the Roswell Fest? I agree many Christians would freak out to learn there are Aliens, most citizens throughout the world would freak. I would if I encontered one. I also wouldnt try to get a lift believing "We come in peace" I am content in knowing they are here and to stay away from them. I know this is WAY off the beaten path of UFO enthusiests and isnt meant to throw a wrench in to this puzzle. I think all apsects should be considered. If we take a serious look at the alien messages to abductees we see it is right out of the Bible. Many, many more comparisons.



I'm also interested in the traditional research like the Gilliland Ranch info. It's great to read!

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When you word it Alien "lifeforms" I would agree. These can manifest to anything they wish and will only be seen when they wish. I dont believe they are alive in a physical sense only supernatural entities, with great powers and deception.

Originally posted by palg1
This does not go against any of the RC's doctrine. Go to the link and see for yourself.

RC Church Position[/url][url=http://www.cin.org...]

By deductive reasoning of the bible it certainly does go against Christinity in general.

Unless Christians deceive themselves and try and say everything from creation to human origin are simply allegories and metaphors than it is highly improbably intelligent life will agree man is the center of creation and back up all the other things in the bible.

Originally posted by wonderworld
May I ask a personal question?

sure

Originally posted by wonderworld
Do you believe in both God and Aliens?

I believe there's life beyond our planet. I don't believe that there's a dude who created everything, who resides in the clouds, who controls our fate, unless that guy happens to be some alien who created us and has been portrayed, over the centuries to be the various gods that have been worshipped since the dawn of man.

Originally posted by wonderworld
Have you seen my take on things with the Christian Symposium at the Roswell Fest?

No, I haven't. shoot me a link and I'll gladly check it out.

Originally posted by wonderworld
I'm also interested in the traditional research like the Gilliland Ranch info. It's great to read!

It was an incredible trip and, apparently, a photo from it was recently published in a certain musician's book.

We're always looking for new investigative excursions but, sadly, we've yet to come up with one that we feel is worth the time, and effort.

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Congrats on the Ranch research! Yes here is the thread on the Christian Symposium at Roswell. There is no doubt that they are here. I try to also answer the "why" question. This is where my philosophy comes in.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by wonderworld


It’s ironic how you tied your NWO theory to my opposing views of the same situation here. www.abovetopsecret.com...

who are you talking to here?

Originally posted by Xcouncil=wisdom


But, based on the need for the resolution to the question of Gods sovereignty, and that He had to give His first creation as a repurchaser/redeemer/ransom sacrifice, it is inconceivable that He would have moved on and continued creation of sentient lifeforms in this universe.



Why always the attempt to ignore basic bible truths and be popular.

According to the Bible, he created the heavens before he created man. The heavens consist of trillions of galaxies. If he could create all of that before creating man, who's to say that he didn't create millions of worlds with creatures or even humans on them before he created "Man"?

Maybe we're the only problem children in the universe that needed his intervention.

Maybe God has a few inclinations of his own that don't coincide with your ideals of inconceivable actions.

As far as ignoring Bible truths to be popular, if you haven't kept up on current events (and the Bible) the day is coming when Christianity won't be popular at all.

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I thought I replied to Xcouncil=wisdom. It must not have attached his name. OOPS,

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Yes God created the Heavens and the host. We are warned not to worship these hosts. Lords of the sky.

Dueternomy 4:19
"And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them..." Duet 4:19 King James Version

God gives explicit instructions not to worship nor be led astray from Him by the hosts of heaven!

2 Corinthians 11:14:15
"14) And no marvel, for Satan himself is transformed* into an angel of light. 15) Therefore, it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."

It's obvious this passage is saying that even Satan's workers (human or angelic!) pretend to be ministers of peace and goodwill. In the case of humans, this may not be intentional deception, but simply people who are deceived, deceiving others - ie, "the blind leading the blind

Ephesians 6:12
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places

We see that the church is called to wage war not against deceived humanity when they disagree with us, but most directly against evil spiritual forces responsible for deceiving people. The word "powers" as used here, is the same Greek word found in 1 Peter 3:22, specifying "angels, authorities and powers" and as in Colossians 3:10, "...the principalities and powers in heavenly places."

I never said anything about worshiping them by the way. There is a big difference between believing in the possibility of other life forms and worshiping them.

"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them."

This what most bibles say. In english it makes no sense, other than that God was a plural entity, perhaps two thirds of a trinity and maybe the angels the last third. So how far would you want to take that idea. Why should there be "fallen" angels...spirits, plus a couple of innocents like A and E getting it wrong also. It's not just the symbolism, it is the reality, Adam and Eve are our singular progenitors as we are led to believe and that cannot be so. Christianity, on the other hand is an understanding of a historical person, at least as we know of it.

Sorry for not getting back soon today was a long day.
And unfortunately most of the arguments I saw were repeats of what I originally tried to point out.
First of all, due to member input, this thread has been all over the forums, from conspiracies in religion, to grey area, then to general conspiracies.
So, I must point out, that as I uderstand it, the bible...main theme, the main theme of Jesus teachings as well: Gods Kingdome.
Gods Kingdome is the only thing that can save mankind from himself and Satans evil rule.
I made note of Satans questioning Gods right to rule, his sovereingty.

This is the conspiracy...when churchs as some postes have said accept that aliens could exist...then they are overlooking the this ultimate question of Gods soverienty...are these aliens already perfect?

If the Aliens are Perfect then there WAS NO NEED for Satan to be Allowed to Mislead Mankind.
There would be witnesses to the fact that staying under Gods rule was the right way to live...

It may only sound simple to me...but also it is obvios to me, that it is a concerted effort to distort/ignore the basic bible truths to allow us to be misled and forget the important things.

If and when demons pose as aliens...and christians say...oh...ok....oops...lets do what they say...what do they say about God...then we will truely be misled.

I would so like to write more, but it has been a long day.

Tomorow
X

One other note I really meant to make...I did appreciate there were a few positive comments in these three pages.
It was very much appreciated.

Originally posted by badgerprints
According to the Bible, he created the heavens before he created man. The heavens consist of trillions of galaxies. If he could create all of that before creating man, who's to say that he didn't create millions of worlds with creatures or even humans on them before he created "Man"?

Yet he forgot to tell us (his most cherished creation) about those aliens who are vastly more intelligent who probably offer a worldview different from what is stated in the bible.

They might not even know who Jesus is.

Originally posted by igor_ats

Originally posted by palg1
This does not go against any of the RC's doctrine. Go to the link and see for yourself.

RC Church Position[/url][url=http://www.cin.org...]

By deductive reasoning of the bible it certainly does go against Christinity in general.

I find your reasoning is flawed. You fail to deduce anything in your statement and bring no scripture to the table to prove your point. My statements are speculative based on what is written (and not written) in the bible. Show me where in the bible that God / Jesus or any other prophet speaks of or against the possibility that God created man uniquely on earth..

Originally posted by igor_ats

Yet he forgot to tell us (his most cherished creation) about those aliens who are vastly more intelligent who probably offer a worldview different from what is stated in the bible.

Why do you think that God needs to tell us everything he knows. Adam and Eve (man) went against God and (figuratively) ate from the tree of knowledge and from that point on we were intellectually on our own. God reveals his plans on his own terms not ours. To presume knowledge of these plans (other than what Jesus and the prophets have already shared) is kind of like taking another bite from the apple.

Originally posted by igor_atsThey might not even know who Jesus is.

They may or may not know, but what does it matter.

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There really isnt anything in the Christian bible that suggests that earth life is the only existing life anywhere.

Scientists believe they have found ancient bacteria on mars.

Source

The Vatican has also stated this.

Vatican astronomers have said in recent years that there is no conflict between believing in God and in the possibility of "extraterrestrial brothers".

Source

However, I do believe Christians feel that talk of aliens and their "worship" are a distraction from God.