Christianity does not allow for the existiance of alien lifeforms - despite the attempts to promote

- The bible gets a bunch of things wrong.

- So what if Christ died for 'the world'?? Who says it's only this world? 'World' could mean anything .. this dimension, this space, this existence, etc. I doubt the people, 2,000 years ago, had words for such things.

- Who says aliens need redemption. Perhaps they don't.

A general reply to those posting last night before I go to work today.
For those that say Jesus and God and the Angels are aliens, please read my previous replys.
For those that say the bible is a myth...this thread was not intended for you.
And for the guy that brought up the trinity...please not this thread......

But...for those who may have at one time allowed the idea to creep in that "maaaybe weeell...it cooould be possible...due to all the sightings, and the universe is so vast...maybe there are other creations beside The creator and His spirit creatures..."
Use your head, step back and think about what it means to be a christian...to accept Christs sacrifice, ponder the purpose of our being allowed to suffer right now, as we have since the time Adam and Eve sinned....we have to be the first, otherwise none of these things would have been necessary it would have already been done and we would have been borne perfect...so to get caught up looking for other life, and waiting for it to show up is a distraction.

Here's the thing.... I just read Genesis again and nowhere does it mention that God made man first and only on this earth of ours. It is a presumption on our part that we are the only "MAN" created by God. I guess it boosts our little earthling egos to believe that. Read it again if you don't like what I'm saying.

GEN 26. 4 Then God said: "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. Let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, and the cattle, and over all the wild animals and all the creatures that crawl on the ground." 27. God created man in his image; in the divine image he created him; male and female he created them.

Even in the footnote 4(below) He gives man dominion over all creation. For me it stands to reason that he just might have put a few of us up there on a few of his other "lights in the dome of the sky". Why not and who are we to second guess Him? And who's to say that these other "men" don't also revere Him and know of his Son's coming? As some of our ATSers have postulated in other threads, these visitors may have been coming around for a very long time.

4 [26] Man is here presented as the climax of God's creative activity; he resembles God primarily because of the dominion God gives him over the rest of creation.

PS: I do have a little back ground knowledge on what the RC church teaches as I am currently doing my BA THO.
This does not go against any of the RC's doctrine. Go to the link and see for yourself.

RC Church Position[/url][url=http://www.cin.org...]

Originally posted by Xcouncil=wisdom
I propose that the human race is the first sentient species in the universe.

I am talking sentient lifeforms aware and with conscience.

Going by your own bible, I can prove your theory incorrect.

20 And God said, "Let the waters bring forth swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the firmament of the heavens." 21 So God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarm, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth."

Bolding by me.

Notice that Genesis 1:20-21 comes before Genesis 1:26.

Therefore God made dolphins before man. Unless you are saying dolphins are not sentient beings who are aware and conscious?

I do know that dolphins can pick themselves out between other dolphins. I would call that aware and conscious. Source: Video: "The Cove".

The talk about Gods, Angels, Great Messias and Angels being "Spirit beings", reminds me of when American and Japanese Soldiers and pilots during WW2 flew in over islands in the Caribbean Ocean, to set up colonies and build roads.

What happened? Well, the inhabitants on those islands, were CONVINCED that the arriving soldiers were actual Gods- and- Spirits coming down from the Heavens. What else could they have been?
They- the local texts from the event explains- could fly like birds in the sky, always had food although they never hunted, and they could make spirits inside a box speak and sing on command(The gramophone).
They HAD to be Gods and Spirits.

You know what else happened? Religions sprang out from this event, when "The Gods" descended from the Sky, and religious symbols and monuments was built. The religions that appeared, even hade the content of a Messiah named "John Frum"(One of the pilots), that, according to the religions, will also return one day.


Wonder if these Gods, Spirits and the Messiah and "their" religions, are considered as the "only right ones" for the inhabitants following their "teachings"? Surely everything that the religions states that came to be from this event, also has to be 100% true, right?

History indeed repeats itself.

yep i think you all need to watch Babylon 5, and get the meaning of it, there is good and evil in all things we were created, but why? and for what?

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Am a fiercely authentic Evangelical Christian.

I believe all the ET critters written about are fallen angels.

Guy Malone of

www.ancientofdays.net...

will guardedly allow that MAYBE there's a 1% chance that there are citizens of distant planets.

I just know that there's NOTHING in Scripture to preclude there being such.

And, Scripture does talk about ALL CREATION GROANS EAGERLY, YEARNINGLY, EXPECTANTLY, DESPERATELY FOR THE MANIFESTATION OF THE SONS OF GOD--EVIDENTLY TO HELP RELIEVE IT OF THE POLLUTIONS OF SIN.

Assumptions about such are hazardous.

imho.

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Originally posted by Xcouncil=wisdom
Despite some churchs comments to the contrary...for what purpose I can only imagine...maybe hearalding the NWO, looking to the UN to represent us as a global community, more than likely to appeal to a new generation in a vie to fill pews...just another tool to distort Gods purpose.

I propose that the human race is the first sentient species in the universe.

And if there is going to be any going out into the universe and spreading DNA that will be our purpose.
I base this statement purely on my bible based beliefs.

My beliefs do not discout the possibility of other life, or creatures. I will try to be as specific as possible.
I am talking sentient lifeforms aware and with conscience.

This belief is based in the teaching that (John 3:16) "God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son" (1 Peter 3:18) "Why, even Christ died once for all time concerning sins"

The main focus is the that the Christ died once...and that God sent his firstborn to redeem us...basic christian stuff right. ( Romans 6:10)“died with reference to sin once for all time.”

And many reading this are thinking..."yeah duh, and all christians think aliens are demons so what?"

I guess this threads purpose is to clear up the conspiracy(oh yes it is) that leads some who claim belief in Christ, to also think there could be aliens. This is a contradictory idea.

I used to think there was the possibility that, after God created his first children the angels, and then took to creating us, that he had plenty of time since then to work on other creations.

But...I wasn't taking two things entirely seriously...the issue of Gods sovereignty, and the sacrifice of his Son to allow us the opportunity to grow the perfection he originally intended for us.
Briefly....Gods sovereignty, that was challenged in the garden of eden by Satan...this issue was brought up infront of all the spirit creatures...basically everybody was watching...and man failed. So out of love God gave his first creation, sent him to Earth, had to watch him suffer at the hands of man, so that after this argument is settled there would be a balancing that would allow us, as I just said, to become perfect and have the potential to live forever.
Gods only going to do that once.

It is inconceivable that God would continue to create perfect creatures with free will, to just have his right to rule questioned again. This must be settled once and for all first. In my mind I can easily imagine that maybe after we are mature and recognize his authority and Satan is removed, maybe with our maturity will come the responsibility to spread out and enjoy the rest of his creation...his ever expanding univers with limitless potential paradises. Who knows.

But, based on the need for the resolution to the question of Gods sovereignty, and that He had to give His first creation as a repurchaser/redeemer/ransom sacrifice, it is inconceivable that He would have moved on and continued creation of sentient lifeforms in this universe.



Why always the attempt to ignore basic bible truths and be popular.
abcnews.go.com...

i agree with your analysis completely....

nice to see there are Christians that are thinking instead of going with the flow of humanistic religion of evolution..

I've thought that perhaps the "Aliens" seen were demons but in most instances that you read of demons....especially in the Bible...they are spirits seeking a body in which to possess so that they can further the evil designs...

now in the past...using extra-biblical sources like the book of Enoch...in conjunction with Genesis...

perhaps the watcher angels and for that matter of the host that followed Lucifer in his rebellion have been at work with interbreeding with the "daughters of man"... and with a few thousand years they may have been able to work out the genetic defects of the off-spring....then again perhaps the "grey's" and the "reptillian's" and "humaniods" are the offspring of them...there were many stories of pregnant women being abducted and the baby being taken...

as for the UFO's:

besides any technology that has been worked out by the governments via the imparted knowledge of the fallen angels( which imparted knowledge seems to be a method of operation, if you go by the book of enoch....it is held that the Watcher angels taught man all kinds of knowledge...both good things and evil things)

besides this, the Fallen Angels could be easily imparted with a strong ability to perpetuate illusions...

notice when satan took Jesus up on a high mountain...he showed him All the kingdoms of the world... now we know physically Jesus could not have seen ALL the kingdoms from that mountain....but Satan SHOWED him..

IMO i think this could easily imply that he was using "illusion" to SHOW him ALL of them....
another one... Paul said that

2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

so Satan also at times gives the illusion that he is an angel of light...

just my thoughts...

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Dolphins are Fish

i think they taste like Tuna

they are not mankind....

All animals are somewhat self-aware

we still have dominion over them...

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Originally posted by BO XIAN
reply to post by Xcouncil=wisdom

 

Am a fiercely authentic Evangelical Christian.

I believe all the ET critters written about are fallen angels.

Guy Malone of

www.ancientofdays.net...

will guardedly allow that MAYBE there's a 1% chance that there are citizens of distant planets.

I just know that there's NOTHING in Scripture to preclude there being such.

And, Scripture does talk about ALL CREATION GROANS EAGERLY, YEARNINGLY, EXPECTANTLY, DESPERATELY FOR THE MANIFESTATION OF THE SONS OF GOD--EVIDENTLY TO HELP RELIEVE IT OF THE POLLUTIONS OF SIN.

Assumptions about such are hazardous.

imho.

i think the groaning is due to the fact that before sin was allowed entrance into the universe it was perfect...no death/entrophy...the universe is in a constant death/renewal cycle and it groans for time when it will be restored to an everlasting living state when sin will be abolished and that last enemy will be death....

just my thoughts...

ET's.... i do give a slight chance that some sightings may have been Angels of the Lord, but generally they announce themselves as such... but i believe there is an angelic war being fought even right now..and in these latter days it will be even more intense...

for the most part though those that give personal audiences...i.e. abductions and such...fallen angels or their minions...

Christianity does not allow for the existiance of alien lifeforms:

herein lies the reason why disclosure might never take place. A large enough portion of the population are unwilling to accept the possibility of life beyond our planet, putting their faith in religion, instead of science and, to disclose the truth about aliens (assuming there is a truth to disclose) would shatter their reality and cause global chaos.



As to the poster, above, who said dolphin are fish - no, they aren't. They are air breathing, live birthing mammals.

like humans.

smarter too.

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I know they are mammals.... but we eat mammals too...

you didn't discount that they taste like tuna...

Also there will probably be Full disclosure....but it will be the Great Deception...sorry...

there wouldn't be that much chaos....you will have those that believe they are what say they are..

and those that don't... well if we are right....Jesus won't be too far away from coming back... and squashing the NWO

if we are wrong...then we learn to live with ET next door ...best guess... all i want to know on this one is will they be considered illegal Aliens...

Originally posted by tspark
I know they are mammals.... but we eat mammals too...

you didn't discount that they taste like tuna...

I've never knowingly eaten a dolphin and I do believe you called them fish, which they are not.

Originally posted by tspark
Also there will probably be Full disclosure....but it will be the Great Deception...sorry...

If it happens, it won't be at the hands of any government but, rather, in the form of a visitation that will be undeniable, unspinnable and without risk of deception - something along the lines of ships hovering for all to see.

Originally posted by tspark
well if we are right....Jesus won't be too far away from coming back... and squashing the NWO

if we are wrong...then we learn to live with ET next door ...best guess... all i want to know on this one is will they be considered illegal Aliens...

we don't all believe that Jesus is coming back or that he is a figure to be reckoned or, while we're at it, that he even existed in a manner in which is mentioned in the bible. Therefore, we can't all be right.

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Keep shining the light

The great Deception is close at hand, I believe....

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Originally posted by Crakeur

Originally posted by tspark
I know they are mammals.... but we eat mammals too...

you didn't discount that they taste like tuna...

I've never knowingly eaten a dolphin and I do believe you called them fish, which they are not.

Originally posted by tspark
Also there will probably be Full disclosure....but it will be the Great Deception...sorry...

If it happens, it won't be at the hands of any government but, rather, in the form of a visitation that will be undeniable, unspinnable and without risk of deception - something along the lines of ships hovering for all to see.

Originally posted by tspark
well if we are right....Jesus won't be too far away from coming back... and squashing the NWO

if we are wrong...then we learn to live with ET next door ...best guess... all i want to know on this one is will they be considered illegal Aliens...

we don't all believe that Jesus is coming back or that he is a figure to be reckoned or, while we're at it, that he even existed in a manner in which is mentioned in the bible. Therefore, we can't all be right.

you are right i did call them a fish...and i am incorrect about that...

the tuna taste was my attempt at poor taste joke...

i was speaking of those that do believe Jesus is coming back...and that "we are right" was for those of us who thought that the aliens were/are a Great Deception used by Lucifer and his bunch...

the other option..."we are wrong" is the christians that do believe they are not aliens...in which case we live will live with ET...

i didn't mean any offense if i gave any...

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no offense taken. your example is exactly what I'm talking about. if disclosure comes, there's going to be a lot of re-evaluating and some pretty upset folks. You spend your whole life believing something, devoting your life and, in many cases, a large portion of your time and money, to a belief, only to find out it that everything you believed in, the foundation for which you lived, is not, entirely as you thought it was.

Now, I'm not saying that any one thing is right, or wrong but, in the event we do, one day, get disclosure, we're bound to learn a multitude of things about our history, as a planet and, undoubtedly, there's gonna be some refutin' of the bible (yours, mine, theirs)

That's not an easy thing to swallow, for anyone.

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Very good points, and i do hope to explore the universe....


I wouldn't see any real issue in the reasoning that angels could have visited other planets....not for sure why...but they have....

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Too true

if the scenario turns out that the aliens are real... then many could fall away from the faith....jaded...

others i would foresee that they would end up "spiritualizing" everything in the bible...religion hates a paradox...

but i might add..

Paul does say in the latter days many will depart from the Faith giving heed to seducing SPirits and doctrines of devils....

makes you wonder if he didn't foresee the Great Deception sooo long ago...

Angels could very well be ETs.

We are talking about a group of people who lived a very long time ago that did not have the technology we possesed now. They could have seen these beings and presented it in the bible the only way they could possibly explain it.

If one was able to travel back to that time period and do a helo jump from a plane it would look as if that person is an angel descending from the heavens. We could also look at the text in the bible describing fiery chariots in the sky. That could be describing a UFO and the person who witnessed it did not have the ability to really describe what he saw and described it using only his limited knowledge.

The Church should be able to review the bible and using the knowledge we know have, try and hypothesis what actually happened. I actually like seeing them doing this. It shows they are willing to progress and accept things that they would not have years ago.