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reply to post by wolfwood290


If you treat all others as you wish to be treated, yes, such words can change someones perspective, can get them to look within more at their own behaviors. Even if its just one person today that you become more aware of your behavior towards them....then there has been one more moment where a being has treated another as they would wish to be treated. There can indeed be a trickling effect.

Why should someone else come clean up our mess.

Only by cleaning up one's own mess will one learn to be more careful and observant of their choices.

All that is being said is that cause and effect is real....we have our causes, there are effects...and if we are not more careful, we may not have the chance to fix it.

Just being an example to others of a more humble way of 'being' can be contagious. It can make them observe their own actions and behaviors more.

reply to post by LeoVirgo

But like suggested, can you really look into the eyes of another life form and not see something of familiarity with it that is also with you?

Yes. Almost more "me" than I am. As if they are trying so hard to tell me something I should already know.
Thanks.

[snip]
Hello my friend,

My post is the result of deductive reasoning and logic. It is the answer to the question I proposed to my self. How can 6 billion people all with free will peacefully co-exist on one planet of limited resources?

The answer I came up with is love. That is the only way. Any other way would limit the free will of each other and cause fighting for resources.

Now, if you can think of another way let me know.

Also, I am not pretending to be anything other than who I AM. Take some time to read through the thread a bit and you will see that no where did I try to sway any one from their own idea of the truth. Each is entitled to there own version.

As for people not listening on an internet forum, well you took the time to hear me. You were the only one I was trying to reach. All the others were a bonus.

Was I chosen? Yes I was. If I was not chosen to convey this message, at this time, in this fashion, then I would not have done so. Just as you are now chosen to reply.

Here are some other threads you may enjoy. Enjoyment does not necessarily mean agreement.

The Plan
Heaven
You are the Conspiracy

With Love,

Your Brother

Originally posted by Death_Kron
How on Earth is this thread still going????

It continues through the efforts of wonderful posters like yourself. Thank you for keeping it alive!

It is much appreciated.

With Love,

Your Brother

reply to post by IAMIAM


But all you have done for 57 pages is repeat the same non-sense, I appreciate the paradoxical nature of my comment in the sense that posting to this thread asking why it continues to carry on only adds to the length of its existence but there you go....

** ATTENTION **

Join the discussion or don't post.

Thank You.

Originally posted by Death_Kron
But all you have done for 57 pages is repeat the same non-sense,

I know, it's crazy isn't it!

In all fairness though, many times I post the same "non-sense" because someone did not read through the thread to find the answer to their question before they asked. I don't like to leave anyone hanging you know. So, I often have to repeat myself.


All the same, this "non-sense" is as good as any other "non-sense" really. Id' rather see this repeated than say, "let's torture more kittens" or something to that effect.

Pair-a-ducks complete.

With Love,

Your Brother

reply to post by IAMIAM


You see, that's what I really don't understand about you or this thread, you seem to be quite emotional intelligent under the surface. I do understand the message your trying to spread but it seems a little too much like preaching for my liking...

Originally posted by IAMIAM
Ask yourself, who are you? Are you that name given to you? Is this who you really are at your very core? Are you the clothes you wear, the car you drive, the house you live in, and the money you have in your pocket. If you believe this is who you are, you have been deceived! Look deeper into yourself, past the pain of this existence. Are you not beautiful and pure? Are YOU? Yes! Yes you are and I weep that you do not see it yourself.

Let me get this straight. I'm having a caniption here.

So, if I just get rid of all those things that I buy to have a nice leisurely life, I'll find my true self, right?

Get rid of the car, get rid of the house but don't sell them because I need to get rid of all my money too. Then, finally, when I'm sitting under a bridge staying out of the rain, I'll somehow fell at one with the universe. Yeah, I'll get right on that.

Does that mean I should divorce too? Send the kids out to do the same?

How long do I need to be a vagrant before I can be sure I know myself enough to begin having some of those luxuries, like a roof over my head, back again?

Oh, and please don't weep. It's an embarrassing public spectacle. Pull yourself together and be a stalward stoic.

Originally posted by momoney
So, if I just get rid of all those things that I buy to have a nice leisurely life, I'll find my true self, right?

Get rid of the car, get rid of the house but don't sell them because I need to get rid of all my money too. Then, finally, when I'm sitting under a bridge staying out of the rain, I'll somehow fell at one with the universe. Yeah, I'll get right on that.

Does that mean I should divorce too? Send the kids out to do the same?

Will you cease to be you if you suddenly lost those things my friend? Some, regrettably would. This is because the attachment to these things is greater than the attachment to the family of Man. Without those things, their lives are meaningless, by their own estimation.

Originally posted by momoney
How long do I need to be a vagrant before I can be sure I know myself enough to begin having some of those luxuries, like a roof over my head, back again?

That my friend, would be entirely up to you.

Originally posted by momoney
Oh, and please don't weep. It's an embarrassing public spectacle. Pull yourself together and be a stalward stoic.

It may be embarrassing to you my friend, but not to me. So, don't weep in public, I'll do it for you. Maybe in time, the trend will catch on and you will feel more comfortable being part of the weeping in public crowd.

With Love,

Your Brother

Originally posted by Death_Kron
You see, that's what I really don't understand about you or this thread, you seem to be quite emotional intelligent under the surface. I do understand the message your trying to spread but it seems a little too much like preaching for my liking...

My friend, I try not to come off as preaching. I really truly do. However, I can't seem to get it right. My attempts at not preaching come off as preaching to the non-religious, and to the religious it comes off as blasphemy. It's not just this thread, but every post I make. Well there is a realm inside a portal where this is not the rule, but that is a special place.

I have a love for this existence, this whole creation, what I call God, that is beyond words and it is what drives me to share in these posts. It is very hard to discuss such a subject without some degree of preachiness I guess. It's kinda like trying to talk about farts without smirking.

With Love,

Your Brother

reply to post by IAMIAM


Your a weird one IAMIAM, one minute I'm annoyed with you and the next I'm almost placated by your posts.

Oh well, keep doing what your doing fella, I suppose as long as your not hurting anybody then I can't complain...

reply to post by momoney


Sometimes the concept of knowing the true self within is too much for some and they cant fully grasp why they need to shed all things of Earth away.

Not literally...but mentally, for a moment. Know that all things outside of you, create this 'self' you think you are...the body, the house, the kids, the car, job, money....it is all a part of the 'self'.

The spiritual side of this is that you are more...then this 'self' of flesh and of Earth.

Passing from Earth...leaving all things of material behind, even the body complex..then one see's what their true self is..which is a perfect Spirit without beginning or end and that it was but in a phase...of life...with other phases...of life. And we love those others...kids, family, ect...that is OK...we love them for being a part of the self that we think we are but we can also love them for being a part of the Spirit that we may not recognize them as...until, we seek a little deeper.

When the IAM in you see's itself....in your children...then no, you defiantly wont be leaving your kids or divorcing your wife or advising anyone else of such things.

But it a common path in things of Spirit, mentally, to shed away all the things that we THINK makes us who we are...including the body complex....to see what is really at the core of us.

Its a practice, like meditation. A practice of thoughts and observance.

Originally posted by IAMIAM
Will you cease to be you if you suddenly lost those things my friend? Some, regrettably would. This is because the attachment to these things is greater than the attachment to the family of Man. Without those things, their lives are meaningless, by their own estimation.

I have visions of great numbers of refugees from war and catastrophy gathering in tent cities all over the world suddenly finding their true selves. Millions in Pakistan, Haiti and the Sudan are all experiencing Nirvana.



No thanks... I'll keep my car so that I can earn money and I'll keep my house so i don't require plastic sheeting to stay dry while I sleep. I MAY one day wind up as you say... some poor homeless person, hungry, cold and devastated by loss and injury. I'll hold you to your promise of happiness then.

It may be embarrassing to you my friend, but not to me. So, don't weep in public, I'll do it for you.

Here's a kleenex. Put that filthy rag back under that rope belt you're wearing and dry your tears with something clean instead.

Maybe in time, the trend will catch on and you will feel more comfortable being part of the weeping in public crowd.

You mean like in the refugee camp, right? I'll wait for the Fates to intervene, thanks.

Tell me... why do you insist that the material tools we use in a material world are so detrimental to the human psyche?

Originally posted by momoney
Tell me... why do you insist that the material tools we use in a material world are so detrimental to the human psyche?

It's not the material tools my friend. It is our attachment to them. If they are the source of our happiness when we have them, we will be devastated when we do not. If we are happy without them, then we will be happy with them, and put them to more noble uses.

We all came into this world with nothing, and so shall we leave it. Material possessions are fleeting things to hold on to for joy and happiness, and truly inadequate to show love.

Which do you prefer a gold digger wife, or one who will stand beside through poverty or wealth?
Which do you prefer a friend who is there through thick and thin, or one who rides your coat tales in success, only to disappear when you fall.
Which do you prefer a child who loves you unconditionally, or a child who loves you as long as you keep the newest fashions on his body.

That which you prefer in others, is that which others prefer from you.

With Love,

Your Brother

Originally posted by IAMIAM
It's not the material tools my friend. It is our attachment to them. If they are the source of our happiness when we have them, we will be devastated when we do not. If we are happy without them, then we will be happy with them, and put them to more noble uses.

Material tools. Let's name some of them...

A shovel. Great material tool for tilling the earth so that you may grow a garden. Big shovels are mechanized for moving more earth, as in creating good foundations for houses (oops, mentioned another tool inadvertantly).

An airplane. A tool we use for travelling through the air as the black crow flies. It enables us to go very far and very quickly, although, in my own estimation, still not fast enough.

A bicycle. Oh, such a marvellous tool for visiting your neighbors or the local variety store. It's lovely, pedalling along with a big smile, waving at all the friendly motorists, the mailman or little Johnny, son of one of your Monday night poker friends.

A pocketknife. Ever watch Aunt Mabel frowning and struggling with the wrapper on her birthday present? Out comes your handy little 2 inch pocketknife and, woo hoo, Auntie says "Thank you, Bernie!" and giggles in anticipation.

I could name oh so many things that make life better.

But it's so sad, brother IAM, that these things all, unfortunately, cost *choke, sniffle* money (didn't want to say it too loudly in case another bout of weeping begins).

We all came into this world with nothing, and so shall we leave it. Material possessions are fleeting things to hold on to for joy and happiness, and truly inadequate to show love.

This is just not true. All of us came into this world with a mother overjoyed at your birth. Chances are, daddy will be there too. If you're lucky when you're born, you will have come into a world where there is a home for you as well, be it an apartment, a duplex, a condo or even, praise be to success, a detached home with a yard.

All things are fleeting, brother IAM, but some things fleet quicker than others. There are those in this world who suffer and it is up to others more fortunate in life to be generous to those less so. There is much joy and happiness in being able to provide as well.

But, enough of that preaching of mine.

Which do you prefer a gold digger wife, or one who will stand beside through poverty or wealth?

I prefer a companion who is true to their word when they swear 'for better or for worse' during the marraige ceremony. How this has anything to do with giving up wordly 'material goods' is quite lost on me. I'm certain I, at least, that I would prefer a stove to cook with and a refridgerator to keep my groceries in. Also, I think I'd like a nice bed, so we can cuddle on a cold winter's night.

Oh... don't get me started on all the things we need when baby comes along.

Which do you prefer a friend who is there through thick and thin, or one who rides your coat tales in success, only to disappear when you fall.

Yes. A great question at last. A rare person indeed. If one is really really really really lucky and finds a true friend then they are truly blessed and should hold them close always.

Which do you prefer a child who loves you unconditionally, or a child who loves you as long as you keep the newest fashions on his body.

I've had experience in that, having raised two children to adulthood. I've found that they generally go through phases and will be demanding or generous as they grow. The solution, for me, was to alllow some of their demands if merited while holding back a bit if it was not. They still love me... I know this to be true. They come home for birthdays and holidays and it's always a happy time when they do. They are caring. They are generous. They are healthy and beautiful to my eyes. I love them unconditionally and I believe it is returned to me in spades.

That which you prefer in others, is that which others prefer from you.

Is that a question or a grammatical mistep?

Wait... I've heard something like that before!!! Well, sort of. Isn't it quite the same as do unto others as you would have them do unto you?

Stay stoical, brother, as we plumb the chasm between us.

Originally posted by momoney
But it's so sad, brother IAM, that these things all, unfortunately, cost *choke, sniffle* money (didn't want to say it too loudly in case another bout of weeping begins).

I like your use of sarcasm my friend. It brings a bit of levity to the discussion.

Originally posted by momoney
This is just not true. All of us came into this world with a mother overjoyed at your birth. Chances are, daddy will be there too. If you're lucky when you're born, you will have come into a world where there is a home for you as well, be it an apartment, a duplex, a condo or even, praise be to success, a detached home with a yard.

No my friend, here you are factually in error. With the rare exception of conjoined twins, we all enter this world alone. Our eyes are shut, our ears are blocked with fluids, and all of our initial perception tells us we are indeed alone. The perception of others in our lives comes later. So to, we die alone.

Originally posted by momoney
All things are fleeting, brother IAM, but some things fleet quicker than others. There are those in this world who suffer and it is up to others more fortunate in life to be generous to those less so. There is much joy and happiness in being able to provide as well.

Here we find complete agreement, and the point behind the initial post.

Originally posted by momoney
But, enough of that preaching of mine.

No, by all means, preach on!

Originally posted by momoney
I prefer a companion who is true to their word when they swear 'for better or for worse' during the marraige ceremony.

I knew you would.

Originally posted by momoney
How this has anything to do with giving up wordly 'material goods' is quite lost on me.

No one is asking you to. Who has asked you to give up those things? The point of the initial post was to look beyond those things because they are not who you are. But then again, you are "MoMoney". So, who am I to argue with you. Perhaps you ARE MoMoney.

Originally posted by momoney
Yes. A great question at last. A rare person indeed. If one is really really really really lucky and finds a true friend then they are truly blessed and should hold them close always.

How much money is a friend like this worth?

Originally posted by momoney
I've had experience in that, having raised two children to adulthood. I've found that they generally go through phases and will be demanding or generous as they grow. The solution, for me, was to alllow some of their demands if merited while holding back a bit if it was not. They still love me... I know this to be true. They come home for birthdays and holidays and it's always a happy time when they do. They are caring. They are generous. They are healthy and beautiful to my eyes. I love them unconditionally and I believe it is returned to me in spades.

Bless you and your family my friend. Here it sounds almost as if you are getting closer to who you are. It is certainly more pleasant than talking about shovels.

Originally posted by momoney
Wait... I've heard something like that before!!! Well, sort of. Isn't it quite the same as do unto others as you would have them do unto you?

Precisely

Originally posted by momoney
Stay stoical, brother, as we plumb the chasm between us.

I do not see a chasm my Brother. I see us as one sharing a different perspective of this existence. Your perspective is just as beautiful as mine. It is different, that is all.

With Love,

Your Brother

reply to post by IAMIAM


You're very good at this, IAM.

My hat's off to you.

You are correct when you say we should look beyond material goods to what is truly important. Giving everything up to live within nature as a wandering Gnostic monk, eschewing all worldly goods, will likely get one shot by a deer hunter, but understanding that there is MORE to life than a Ferrari in the driveway is a truth I cannot deny.