China issues warning to Nobel panel

Originally posted by Ex_MislTech
reply to post by Jay-morris

 

Honestly all religions are cults, the bigger ones are just left alone because they
have massive power and influence because their members are often in the
government.

The lesser religions are persecuted because their beliefs are not accepted
by the others, but basically all religion is bunk.

Most religions practice genital mutilation of children, and it is accepted.

My point is Tibet has been Tibet for 600+ years, long before there was a communist China.

Tibet may have had higher mortality due to lack of science and medicine,
but it was their choice, they could leave.

In china they have organ harvesting of political prisoners.

The former regime of China ran and hid in Taiwan, and its funny the guy
in the video give the Tibetan peaceful leaders hell over it, but not the
former leaders of China, lol.

Cult and religon are different im afriad. These people worship this man. They don't worship jesus, allah etc. They worship a living man. This is a cult, just like amny Dangerous cults that have a leader. How anyone can see this a not a Dangerous cult is beyond me to be honest.

And find it amzing the lack of knowledge people have on tibet. When the deli lama ruled, tibet was a terrible place, and he was not a very nice person. But it seems that people don't want to even admit this, like its wrong to say that about the deli lama! it makes me sick!

All these people shouting "free tibet" most prob don't even know the history of tibet, and have their tounge so far up the deli lama *ss they don't even care.

I remember Sharon stone saying the earthquake in China was karma for how china treated tibet (another person who clearly does not know the history of tibet) and how great the deli lama is. Well, where was the "karma" when deli lama ruled tibet and the people were slaves and having horrible things done to them?

Oh, its great "karma", so great that the eathquake killed many children. A complete joke! People believe only what they want to believe.

Originally posted by Ex_MislTech
reply to post by trailertrash

 

Yeah the Chinese are beginning to be a real pain in the panda if you ask me. They showed up here in California a few years ago trying to influence local law makers not to allow that spiritual group which was kicked out of China. Can't remember the name. The Chinese guys were allowed to sit in on council sessions, given their fifteen minutes of fame and then told to go suck figs. They were last seen near Fresno looking for fig orchards.

Falun Gong:

Falun Gong (alternatively Falun Dafa) is a system of beliefs and practices founded in China by Li Hongzhi in 1992. The practice emerged at the end of China's "qigong boom", a period of growth and popularity of similar practices. Falun Gong differs from other qigong schools in its absence of daily rituals of worship,[1] its greater emphasis on morality, and the theological nature of its teachings.[2][3] Western academics have described Falun Gong as a "spiritual movement" based on the teachings of its founder,[4] a "cultivation system" in the tradition of Chinese antiquity,[5] and sometimes a new religious movement (NRM). Falun Gong places a heavy emphasis on morality in its central tenets – Truthfulness, Compassion, and Forbearance (Chinese: 真、善、忍).[6] Its teachings are derived from qigong, Buddhist and Taoist concepts.[5][7][8][9]

This picture of a woman is what they do to ppl following this religion:

upload.wikimedia.org...

The real China is not friendly even to its own ppl, and I can guarantee you they think
a whole lot less of anyone else.

The US shifting most of its industry there is to merely remove the industrial might that
helped the US help win WW2.

Ppl truly have no idea of the level of evil that is happening via the government in China.

www.weeklystandard.com...

If I did believe in religion I'd hope there is a VERY special place in hell for these ppl
who do this to other humans beings, and it reminds me of the Nazi Scientists from WW2
who had lamp shades made of human skin.

How we do business with these ppl is beyond me.

edit on 30-9-2010 by Ex_MislTech because: content & links.

The wikipedia article is hopelessly biased

You want to know what REAL FALUN GONG is really about?

Here is an interview from TIME magazine with Li Hongzhi the founder of Falun Gong

www.time.com...

TIME: And this expresses an inner energy?
Li: You probably know that some people have supernormal capabilities. They are unique capabilities that are created during the course of the cultivation practice. In order to reach a higher level, we require people to reach the perfection or completion of cultivation. In Chinese we call this attaining the Tao.

TIME: In your book [Zhuan Falun] you talk about people levitating off the ground but you say that they should not show other people. Why is that?
Li: It is the same principle that Western gods in paradise should not be seen by ordinary mortals because they cannot understand its meaning.

TIME: Have you seen human beings levitate off the ground?
Li: I have known too many.

TIME: Can you describe any that you have known?
Li: David Copperfield. He can levitate and he did it during performances.

TIME: You have said that this type of qigong should not be used to cure illness. Why is that?
Li: Healing illnesses belongs to the lower level of qigong. A person with an illness cannot practice to a higher level. One has to purify one's body in order to have gong. Healing and fitness are for laying a foundation at a lower level of practice.

TIME: Would you use qigong to cure an illness?
Li: I can do all of this, but I won't do it.



TIME: What is the final goal?
Li: The ultimate purpose is to enable people to attain the Tao and to complete their cultivation practice. In the end they can free themselves from the worldly state. I know that human lives are not created from the dimension that human beings think they know.

TIME: What happens after one attains the Tao?
Li: We have all heard about the Chinese deities. When one completes cultivation, one has special powers.

TIME: Why does chaos reign now?
Li: Of course there is not just one reason. The biggest cause of society's change today is that people no longer believe in orthodox religion. They go to church, but they no longer believe in God. They feel free to do anything. The second reason is that since the beginning of this century, aliens have begun to invade the human mind and its ideology and culture.

TIME: Where do they come from?
Li: The aliens come from other planets. The names that I use for these planets are different . Some are from dimensions that human beings have not yet discovered. The key is how they have corrupted mankind. Everyone knows that from the beginning until now, there has never been a development of culture like today. Although it has been several thousand years, it has never been like now.

The aliens have introduced modern machinery like computers and airplanes. They started by teaching mankind about modern science, so people believe more and more science, and spiritually, they are controlled. Everyone thinks that scientists invent on their own when in fact their inspiration is manipulated by the aliens. In terms of culture and spirit, they already control man. Mankind cannot live without science.

The ultimate purpose is to replace humans. If cloning human beings succeeds, the aliens can officially replace humans. Why does a corpse lie dead, even though it is the same as a living body? The difference is the soul, which is the life of the body. If people reproduce a human person, the gods in heaven will not give its body a human soul. The aliens will take that opportunity to replace the human soul and by doing so they will enter earth and become earthlings.

When such people grow up, they will help replace humans with aliens. They will produce more and more clones. There will no longer be humans reproduced by humans. They will act like humans, but they will introduce legislation to stop human reproduction.


TIME: Are you a human being?
Li: You can think of me as a human being.

TIME: Are you from earth?
Li: I don't wish to talk about myself at a higher level. People wouldn't understand it.

TIME: What are the aliens after?
Li: The aliens use many methods to keep people from freeing themselves from manipulation. They make earthlings have wars and conflicts, and develop weapons using science, which makes mankind more dependent on advanced science and technology. In this way, the aliens will be able to introduce their stuff and make the preparations for replacing human beings. The military industry leads other industries such as computers and electronics.

TIME: But what is the alien purpose?
Li: The human body is the most perfect in the universe. It is the most perfect form. The aliens want the human body.

TIME: What do aliens look like?
Li: Some look similar to human beings. U.S. technology has already detected some aliens. The difference between aliens can be quite enormous.

You want to know the TRUE FACE of Falun gong?

How about try reading the book written by Li Hongzhi himself? Check out the 1 star`reviews

www.amazon.com...=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1285861255&sr=1-1

Basically the premise of Falun Gong is that the leader of Falung Gong (Li Hongzhi) claims to be some sort of god, humans can gain superpowers through meditation. Aliens are invading the earth and replacing humans to disguise themselves in order to corrupt our spirit.

Sounds like Chinese scientology to me!

Originally posted by Jay-morris

Originally posted by Ex_MislTech
reply to post by Jay-morris

 

Honestly all religions are cults, the bigger ones are just left alone because they
have massive power and influence because their members are often in the
government.

The lesser religions are persecuted because their beliefs are not accepted
by the others, but basically all religion is bunk.

Most religions practice genital mutilation of children, and it is accepted.

My point is Tibet has been Tibet for 600+ years, long before there was a communist China.

Tibet may have had higher mortality due to lack of science and medicine,
but it was their choice, they could leave.

In china they have organ harvesting of political prisoners.

The former regime of China ran and hid in Taiwan, and its funny the guy
in the video give the Tibetan peaceful leaders hell over it, but not the
former leaders of China, lol.

Cult and religon are different im afriad. These people worship this man. They don't worship jesus, allah etc. They worship a living man. This is a cult, just like amny Dangerous cults that have a leader. How anyone can see this a not a Dangerous cult is beyond me to be honest.

And find it amzing the lack of knowledge people have on tibet. When the deli lama ruled, tibet was a terrible place, and he was not a very nice person. But it seems that people don't want to even admit this, like its wrong to say that about the deli lama! it makes me sick!

All these people shouting "free tibet" most prob don't even know the history of tibet, and have their tounge so far up the deli lama *ss they don't even care.

I remember Sharon stone saying the earthquake in China was karma for how china treated tibet (another person who clearly does not know the history of tibet) and how great the deli lama is. Well, where was the "karma" when deli lama ruled tibet and the people were slaves and having horrible things done to them?

Oh, its great "karma", so great that the eathquake killed many children. A complete joke! People believe only what they want to believe.

Under the rule of the Dalai Llama, while there may be some controversy

en.wikipedia.org...

en.wikipedia.org...

There is also a common misconception that many Tibetans did not want communism while the Dalai LLama ruled Tibet, he was fighting a constant Guerilla war against communists

en.wikipedia.org...

en.wikipedia.org...

The CIA officer, Bruce Walker, who oversaw the operations of CIA trained Tibetan agents, was troubled by the hostility from the Tibetans towards his agents: “the radio teams were experiencing major resistance from the population inside Tibet.” [14] The CIA trained Tibetans from 1957 to 1972, in the United States, and parachuted them back into Tibet to organise rebellions against the PLA. In one incident, one agent was immediately reported by his own brother and all three agents in the team were arrested. They were not mistreated. After less than a month of propaganda sessions they were escorted to the Indian border and released.[15]

Any claim made by the Falun gong members on live Organ harvesting, mass cremation, murder camps is BUNK

en.wikipedia.org...'s_Republic_of_China

Investigators sent by dissident Harry Wu to Sujiatun three days after the story surfaced found no evidence of the existence of the alleged concentration camp.[38] Wu dismissed the claims as merely hearsay, without the support of any paperwork or any detailed information.[39][40]

In April 2006 U.S. representatives visited the site twice – the first time unannounced one week after the report surfaced, and a second was made with official cooperation three weeks later – when no evidence was found that the site was being used for any function other than as a normal public hospital.[28][41] [42][42][43]

However China does harvest organ from EXECUTED PRISONERS

In December of that year, China's Deputy Health Minister acknowledged that the practice of removing organs from executed prisoners for transplant was widespread - as many as 95% of all organ transplants in China derived from executions,[27]

reply to post by Returners


Thank you for the great read!

Its good to read someone who actually knows what he is talking about what it comes to China, unlike 98% of the people on this site !

Originally posted by Returners
In December of that year, China's Deputy Health Minister acknowledged that the practice of removing organs from executed prisoners for transplant was widespread - as many as 95% of all organ transplants in China derived from executions,[27]

OK so now...

How many people are executed and for what reasons?
Just curious. Since I'm apparently part of that 98% that doesn't know.

reply to post by Jay-morris

Cult and religon are different im afriad. These people worship this man. They don't worship jesus, allah etc. They worship a living man. This is a cult, just like amny Dangerous cults that have a leader. How anyone can see this a not a Dangerous cult is beyond me to be honest.

Yeah and they were that way for hundreds of years. They didn't seem to mind it. If they did they could have easily overthrown him. They would have found it easy to do, there was hardly a standing army. That's why it was so easy for China to crush them.

And find it amzing the lack of knowledge people have on tibet. When the deli lama ruled, tibet was a terrible place, and he was not a very nice person. But it seems that people don't want to even admit this, like its wrong to say that about the deli lama! it makes me sick!

Terrible by whose standard? Yours?
I'm glad you're sick. I for one actually appreciate you posting your opinion on the situation however this still doesn't make you right and everybody else wrong.

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by Returners
In December of that year, China's Deputy Health Minister acknowledged that the practice of removing organs from executed prisoners for transplant was widespread - as many as 95% of all organ transplants in China derived from executions,[27]

OK so now...

How many people are executed and for what reasons?
Just curious. Since I'm apparently part of that 98% that doesn't know.

en.wikipedia.org...

en.wikipedia.org...

By the confirmed numbers, the rate of executions in China is higher than the United States and Pakistan, though Iran executes more prisoners per capita. The Dui Hua Foundation declares that the true figures were higher; they estimate that China executed between 5,000 and 6,000 people in 2007, down from 10,000 in 2005.[1]

In 2009, Amnesty International estimated 1718 executions took place during 2008, based on all information available. Amnesty International claimed that the figure was likely to be much higher.[9]

Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by Jay-morris

 

Cult and religon are different im afriad. These people worship this man. They don't worship jesus, allah etc. They worship a living man. This is a cult, just like amny Dangerous cults that have a leader. How anyone can see this a not a Dangerous cult is beyond me to be honest.

Yeah and they were that way for hundreds of years. They didn't seem to mind it. If they did they could have easily overthrown him. They would have found it easy to do, there was hardly a standing army. That's why it was so easy for China to crush them.

www.time.com...

Can you try to read the TIME interview with the leader of Falun Gong?

This man is clearly insane and so are his followers. Most people in China would not want to live around people with such nutty beliefs.

And find it amzing the lack of knowledge people have on tibet. When the deli lama ruled, tibet was a terrible place, and he was not a very nice person. But it seems that people don't want to even admit this, like its wrong to say that about the deli lama! it makes me sick!

Terrible by whose standard? Yours?
I'm glad you're sick. I for one actually appreciate you posting your opinion on the situation however this still doesn't make you right and everybody else wrong.



en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...

en.wikipedia.org...

Robert W. Ford, a British radio operator who stayed in Tibet from 1945 till 1950 and was sent by the Tibetan government to Chamdo in 1950, reported in his memoirs that "all over Tibet [he] had seen men who had been deprived of an arm or a leg for theft," adding that "penal amputations were done without antiseptics or sterile dressings."[18]

Note Testimonies from British soldiers on Tibet during the 1950's that support the chinese point of view, you can find many on google

reply to post by Returners


So in one reply you show huge amounts of executions in China but give no reasons for them, then in another you post how bad it was in Tibet by quoting a 60+ year old report?

Interesting

Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by Returners

 

So in one reply you show huge amounts of executions in China but give no reasons for them, then in another you post how bad it was in Tibet by quoting a 60+ year old report?

Interesting

The point of the report was that Tibet during its independence phase was rife with slavery, child abuse and mutilations along with a caste system and a forced religion. The reports chosen 60 years ago give a picture of how tibet was before the communist takeover.

The Tibetan communist party waged a active guerrilla war in Tibet to free the people and the CIA rebellion in Tibet failed miserably because every CIA Tibetan infiltrator was immediately ratted out by other Tibetans the moment they set foot in Tibet.

There is a lot of evidence that a large population of Tibet supported the communists and reintegration into China.

If a lot of Americans supported annexing Mexico and most mexicans wanted to be part of the United States then why should Mexico and the USA not be one country?


Here is a list of crimes warranting execution.
en.wikipedia.org...

Yeah and they were that way for hundreds of years. They didn't seem to mind it. If they did they could have easily overthrown him. They would have found it easy to do, there was hardly a standing army. That's why it was so easy for China to crush them

reply to post by SLAYER69


Er, whats that got to do with FALUN GONG?

Terrible by whose standard? Yours?
I'm glad you're sick. I for one actually appreciate you posting your opinion on the situation however this still doesn't make you right and everybody else wrong.

Its not opinion, its fact! Have a history lesson on tibet and you will see that my opinion is fact. I am not Saying China have been perfect, far from it, but don't be ignorant on the other facts please.

Originally posted by Jay-morris
Its not opinion, its fact! Have a history lesson on tibet and you will see that my opinion is fact. I am not Saying China have been perfect, far from it, but don't be ignorant on the other facts please.

Ignorant?

Only an ignorant person would have such a myopic point of view on the subject. You posted a 60 year old report by one source at the time and that is supposed to condemn the whole country and it's entire history?

I noticed how you left out China's not so pleasant treatment of the indigenous populous since their acquisition of the territory.

You can try to paint it anyway you wish.
Doesn't mean the world has to believe it.

Originally posted by Returners
Here is a list of crimes warranting execution.
en.wikipedia.org...

Excuse me but Wikipedia isn't a great reference. You keep posting links as if it's credible. Give me a few days I'll find my wiki password and rewrite it for you.

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by Jay-morris
Its not opinion, its fact! Have a history lesson on tibet and you will see that my opinion is fact. I am not Saying China have been perfect, far from it, but don't be ignorant on the other facts please.

Ignorant?

Only an ignorant person would have such a myopic point of view on the subject. You posted a 60 year old report by one source at the time and that is supposed to condemn the whole country and it's entire history?

I noticed how you left out China's not so pleasant treatment of the indigenous populous since their acquisition of the territory.

You can try to paint it anyway you wish.
Doesn't mean the world has to believe it.

When did i post a "60 year old report" Again, you have not answered my question. Ok, i will make it simple for you.

What was tibet like before China went occupied?

reply to post by Jay-morris



You're absolutely right Returners posted a link.
You just made a claim and posted your opinion.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by Jay-morris

 

You're absolutely right Returners posted a link.
You just made a claim and posted your opinion.

You still can't answer my question lol Are you one of these haters who feels threatend By China?

Is there anything you like about China?

Terrible by whose standard? Yours?

Originally posted by Jay-morris

Its not opinion, its fact! Have a history lesson on tibet and you will see that my opinion is fact. I am not Saying China have been perfect, far from it, but don't be ignorant on the other facts please.

You still haven't answered my question.

Terrible by whose standard?

Yours?

Originally posted by Jay-morris
You still can't answer my question lol Are you one of these haters who feels threatend By China?

Is there anything you like about China?

Yes. I love the people, the Ancient culture the beautiful countryside and etc etc etc...

What does that have to do with the way the Chinese Government deals with people they have conquered and taken their land from them? Then to simply declare its "Better" now because it was "Terrible" then. AGAIN by whose standards?

reply to post by Jay-morris



Jay-M - Don't worry dude...You are the only guy on this whole thread who knows what they are talking about.

Deny ignorance.

It's hard on a site like this where people like to championship 'knowledge'...yet are too ignorant to face the fact they have been fed X amount of bull# over the years.

Hey...wow!! Dick Gere is one of those trendy buddhist types!! Hey the Delai Lllamma (dui, sic) must be the biz!

Lol.