Is this 9/11 nonsense going to ever go away? ZERO eveidence but still pushing on!

Originally posted by GoldenFleece

Originally posted by jfj123
OK so what evidence would satisfy you?

Before you fill up this page with posts, just to start, how about a video or photo of WHATEVER HIT THE PENTAGON?!

How about any of the FOUR WTC BLACK BOXES?!

How about an EXAMINATION OF THE TRUSSES, BEAMS AND MAJOR STEEL COMPONENTS WHICH WERE QUICKLY SHIPPED OFF TO CHINA?!

How about pointing me to JUST ONE STEEL-FRAMED HIGH RISE BUILDING IN THE WORLD THAT COLLAPSED DUE TO FIRE?!

Can you show me any of the above? If not, why not?

How about answering the questions I posted?

Who has said that any of the WTC's collapsed ONLY due to fire?

I thought that was the Official Fairytale????

2nd line............

Originally posted by NWOPrimate
I'm not an extremist.

That's normally what extremists say
"convictions are more dangerous foes of truth, than lies" Nietzsche

I didn't start this thread, nor have i started any 9/11 threads. I just had to provide my opinion because I don't want anybody think that you guys have the majority,

You mean the people who believe in reviewing factual information to decide what happened?

because you don't! The majority, IMO is behind the 9/11 truth movement.

But there is really no truth movement. There are a bunch of conspiracy theorists who believe that somebody, somewhere other than islamic extremists, caused 9/11. None of you really agree on who? why? or how?
Some of you think that the buildings were blown up with anti-matter bombs.
Some think the buildings were razed by energy weapons.
Some think the buildings never existed but were some type of hologram.
Some think the buildings were transported from the sites.
Some people think that holographic planes hit the buildings.
some people...well you get the idea......

Also, I am no more an extremist than any Christian or any one else who blindly believes in a God Almighty.

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Anyone can be an extremist including a christian.

You have decided that no matter what factual evidence has been presented to you, you will not believe those facts over your own convictions. That is an extremist view.

I also notice none of you "truther's" will answer my questions.
I've stated that since all of you seem to want a new investigation, how would that happen?
Who would perform the investigation?
What would they investigate?
What would you say if, at the end of the investigation, the investigators came to the same conclusion as the "official story" ? Would you then drop it ?

reply to post by L1U2C3I4F5E6R


Well done, L1U2C3I4F5E6R! You jumped on the bandwagon with a topic that has frankly been talked to death over the last 2-3 weeks and earned yourself a number of flags and (to date) 19 pages of replies. The only price has been branding yourself as someone who can't or won't see what has been painstakenly provided by the so-called "truth movement!"

These days, when you say "There's no proof," you're actually saying "I don't want to know the proof!"

As has been mentioned numerous times already, the evidence is overwhelmingly there, but nothing's going to happen because JUSTICE IS DEAD in the USA.

We won't get anywhere until we have a real "change of administration."

Thank you and good night!

Originally posted by L1U2C3I4F5E6R
I think it is a bit insane to draw absurd conclusions with only 20 mins of manipulated footage to support these claims. For every poorly constructed theory I have heard or seen and even read here on ATS (yes I read all the stuff on ATS about 9/11 before commenting) I have not heard one piece of ACTUAL EVIDENCE.

Originally posted by filosophia
reply to post by jfj123

 

I'm pretty sure no one in the truth movement would ever say we don't need constitutional rights, so at least that's not something to worry about...however, the people in government do often say we don't need constitutional rights, kind of like after 9/11 with the patriot act. So...who's the real threat to the constitution? Independent investigators or Bush who said the constitution was a g-d piece of paper?

Please don't get me wrong. I believe the bush administration made every attempt to shred the CONSTITUTION (the single most important document in human history).

My point is that "truthers" keep asking for a new investigation but they really don't want one nor can there ever be one that would satisfy the truthers. They already have decided what the truth is for them, so unless the investigation turns out to show exactly what every truthers believes (simply not possible), truthers will not believe any investigation. Have you noticed that none of the truthers will answer my questions about beginning a new investigation?
Who should run the investigation?
Who should be involved in the investigation?
Ultimately what if the new investigation shows what the first investigation showed?
They don't want to answer those questions because it would ruin their fantasy.

Originally posted by filosophia
reply to post by jfj123

 

if there were no evidence of inside job, that theory would go away, since it hasn't, what does that tell you? It means there is evidence. Simple logic.

There is no evidence to support many ideas yet they still exist.
There is no evidence that the moon landing was hoaxed.
There is no evidence to support the lochness monster.
There is no evidence that leprecauns are real.
There is no evidence to suggest faries are real.
etc....
yet we stilll have people talking about all these things?
Unfortunately, your simple logic is not logical at all.

Originally posted by Alfie1

Originally posted by Neo 1960
reply to post by Alfie1

 

Don't you think it's just the tiniest bit strange that NINE YEARS after causing the greatest ever terrorist outrage, probably never to be exceeded, (unless they get hold of a nuke), that no other attacks have occurred in the US, to them the great Satan?
Are we really supposed to believe that Bin Laden has spent the last NINE YEARS trembling in some cave, apart from making his few home movies? The IRA with far fewer numbers and resources never let up their bombing campaign and while they would happily kill for their cause they (unlike Al Qaeda), would not die for it.
There has not even been any foiled attacks! Also how on earth, in 2010 does anyone, let alone someone as well known as Bin Laden keep hidden for NINE YEARS (no apologies for capitals). He would have found years ago or even betrayed, bearing in mind the huge bounty on his head.
Sometimes it's not what happens that arouses suspicion, it's what doesn't happen.

What do you mean there haven't been any " foiled attacks " ? What about Richard Reid ( the shoe bomber ) ? What about the Detroit bomber ( he of the exploding underwear ) ? What about these guys ?

www.telegraph.co.uk...

And dont forget the Times Square Bomber...Do you not ever wonder why those guys were unsuccessful in their "terroristic" attempts? Well, I did, heres what I came up with: Those guys were CIA patsy's. Thats right, and they were not supposed to be successful. If they were, we wouldn't have known that the "tragedy" was pulled off by a "terrorist" (meaning Muslim extremist). Well, there could have been some claim made from some supposed faction of some supposed terrorist organization, but, isn't catching someone red-handed way more convincing? So the shoe bomb did not go off as planned, but we have a plane full of witnesses to testify that the retarded guy was trying to blow it up. So the underwear bomb did not go off, but we have a plane full of witnesses to answer reporters questions about another retarded guy trying to light his panties so as to blow the plane up. So the truck did not blow up, but there were scores of people who witnessed the event of the truck smoking, after yet another mentally deficient guy parked it and left it there. All three "bombs" fizzled, but the sensationalization on the MSM's part was not wasted, and the full body scanners at many airports, and probably soon to be just about everywhere, are installed and operational, taking high definition pictures of you, your spouse, your granny and gramps, and your children, including your teenaged sons and daughters NAKED!.

Originally posted by Cobra.EXE
what a bunch of idiots.

you all think somebody in the mountains with a towel on his head financed the most elaborate attack on the greatest nation known to man that has no fly zones.

and you cant find him?!

crazy, i say just crazy.

&thats just an understatement.

The reality is that people don't want to believe the truth because that makes us incredibly vulnerable. If we, the strongest military power in the world, can be successfully attacked by a group of mountain people, we have no security. People would rather believe that it took a massive conspiracy to bring down those buildings.

Here is something that none of you want to hear. If someone wants to attack us bad enough and are willing to die to do it, there is almost NOTHING we can do to stop them.

Originally posted by L1U2C3I4F5E6R
reply to post by illumin8ed

 

I was asked to given an explanation. So I did. I did what I was asked. Plain and simple. You just choose to ignore my answer because it offers that sounds are not very reliable.

The Us gov could quite easily just shut down all websites to do with the truthers and have all video pulled from 9/11 on You tube. Easy. Make your truthers job a bit harder. But they DONT. you know why. Its not the how the attack or who they are trying to cover up its HOW THEY MISSED IT and how they were caught with their pants down.

We have the OS story and you are not happy with it. Which I have never said I was happy with. (None of you truthers ever read anything properly, maybe thats your problem, a lack of intelligence) I am not willing to except the fact that the US gov killed its own citizen en masse.without some REAL proof. So if it EVER proves that explosives brought it down, explosives being bombs - the exact weapons of choice by many terrorist organizations from Islamic to IRA you still have NO proof it was the US gov or anyone beside the Islamic terror groups. End OF. Back to square one for you lot!!!!!!

The US Gov could quite easily shut down all websites to do with the truthers and have all video from 9-11 pulled from you tube? You clearly use your anus as a mouth. I have read a great many posts in this thread, the majority of them are written intelligently, concisely and respectfully, however, none of those seem to be from you. Someone suggested that this thread might have been parody or some kind of exercise in sarcasm, but I think this thread was started so you could get your jollies by seeing how many people you could engage in this mindless drivel. I had a long debate with a friend of mine a few weeks ago, no matter how many times I gave him factual information and the source so he could go verify it for himself, all he did was attempt to invalidate what I had said. I called him out on that tactic and asked him to look at the evidence. He then began to make comments about my character. I was kind of surprised at this, I have known this person for 20 + years, and never had any kind of argument with him, so, I mentioned that what he was doing was a classic left wing media tactic, if you cannot refute the evidence, then attack the messenger. After several hours of this over the internet via a discussion board, (comments section), I realized that it mattered not in the least how much information I offered him, he was not going to consider anything anyone else proposed to him. The ONLY way he was going to get any kind of clue that he indeed had no clue, was going to be by accident, and on his own.

I see close similarities between you and my friend. Antagonistic, arrogant, obtuse, ignorant, oh I realize that YOU think you are intelligent, but, it is abundantly obvious to many readers here that you are NOT nearly as "intelligent" as you seem to think you are. Condescending, dismissive, rude, that's my perception of you. You cannot refute most of what people posted as evidence, so you try to invalidate it with speculation and conjecture. Sorry, you FAIL. Utterly. And whats more, is that you have shown anyone who cares to look, what a contrary and fecetious a-hole you are.

Oh yeah, the US gov cannot easily take those sites down, or pull the 9-11 videos from youtube. Again you display your abject ignorance. The US Constitution has not yet been ripped to pieces,and as long as there is even the illusion that it is the Law of this land, Freedom of Speech and the Right to Assemble shall endure! Along with all of our other Inalienable Rights!

i was watching a video on you tube which thought it showed bombs detonating as the towers fell, but if you think about it if a tower is falling in on itself its going to create alot of pressure, which would blow out windows and walls beneath it making it look as though a bomb had gone off, this is just my opinion but I think you could look through every video claiming to be something out of the ordinary about 9/11 and find a perfectly rational explanation.

reply to post by highlyoriginal


Bravo! Well said!

The OP does NOT want the "9/11 nonsense to go away." The proof is in the hundreds of posts here.

It's just abusive and evil. I don't think you care at all for the victims or their families or the truth. You took advantage to write a post during the anniversary of 9/11 to piss people off. What's even worse is that you demand proof when the government has gone above and beyond to hide the truth from the people. A government that controls all information and media. But they couldn't hide everything. The truth is leaking out bit by bit. Even other countries and governments share the belief that 9/11 was an inside job.

You are doing nothing more than making the topic of 9/11 even more important and it will not go away.

I'm sorry, I just don't get it. You talk about the importance of the victims and families of 9/11 tragedy and YOU ARE A LUCIFERIAN! Somehow, caring and Lucifer don't go hand in hand. I'm missing your point here....
Go and troll somewhere else. You've had your few days of attention-seeking. And thanks for making us "Truthers" more powerful and for giving us more reason to get the truth out!

Originally posted by spookymulder
i was watching a video on you tube which thought it showed bombs detonating as the towers fell, but if you think about it if a tower is falling in on itself its going to create alot of pressure, which would blow out windows and walls beneath it making it look as though a bomb had gone off, this is just my opinion but I think you could look through every video claiming to be something out of the ordinary about 9/11 and find a perfectly rational explanation.

Quite right. Also, in a controlled demolition the detonations precede the collapse. Charges going off while the building is already collapsing would be pointless :-

www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by L1U2C3I4F5E6R

Originally posted by Banjamin Jefferson Madiso
reply to post by L1U2C3I4F5E6R

 

Please, you have to be joking, insane or unbelievably ignorant. There is PLENTY of evidence, physical evidence in support of the movement to attain the truth.

Well thank you for your insight. I am neither ignorant nor insane (ask my psychiatrist). Secondly, you state with authority that there is plenty of Evidence. What evidence are you referring to? Mind you i am talking about real actual evidence. Not some video clip of a building falling. Like someone said. The buildings are gone. The video tape is most likely destroyed and the truther experts are hardly convincing right now. So where is YOUR evidence my friend. Have you any original work of your own to back up your statement. No because all the work was done by a few people on each side of this fence. The rest just use it believing it to be true. However, no Laws of Physics have been broken. And you have no proof they have.

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Oh so I was supposed to go to New York City just after the "attack" and roam around the crime scene collecting "Evidence" on my very own? I shall reiterate, you MUST be either insane or a troll. Your arguments are weak and totally unsupported, you have no "evidence" yourself, so you are also a hypocrite, you miserably FAIL to properly utilize logic and/or reason. Even worse, you neglect to research any information presented to you, and like a fool, hold on to your "beliefs" no matter how baseless they happen to be.
I do not believe in the least, that: You are educated, that you have a psychologist, that any head shrink would give you a favorable assessment concerning your sanity, that you have any clue about 9-11 on ANY of the various issues in contention, that you "know all there is to know" about various points of contention surrounding the 9-11 WTC and Pentagon "attacks".
I am convinced now, you are one of the following, 1), a troll, 2), a pathetic individual who gets off provoking and antagonizing others, 3), the next CIA patsy who will be used to carry out the next false flag terror "attack" on the American popluace, in order to get some other unConstitutional piece of garbage legislation passed and imposed on us so as to further restrict our "Freedoms". Last one makes sense doesn;'t it? I assume that you would gladly participate if it meant that we would all just forget 9-11 and focus on the latest "terrorist act", yours!

I would like to know ,why, in the Kangaroo Court of L1U2C3I4F5E6R that video evidence is inadmissible. Video evidence is good enough to be admissible as evidence in any court that I have ever heard or read about. Seeing that video, as long as it is authentic and not manipulated, is a true and exact reproduction of past a event(s), I fail to understand how L1U2C3I4F5E6R preemptively excludes the video record while demanding "proof" and "evidence".

Heres another point of FACT, IF the O.S. were true and the twin towers came down as a result of weakening structural steel and thus "pancaking", then it would have been impossible for them to have come down at freefall velocity. To accept the pancaking theory, one would have to also accept that there would have been resistance from each floor being wrenched from its trusses and supports by the weight of the upper floors impacting them...So theres yet another POINT WITH FACTUAL BASIS, aka, EVIDENCE. But I already know that you are going to claim that there was not enough resistance to thwart the freefall. All I ask is that you present me with irrefutable evidence, otherwise don't even bother posting your inane nonsense anymore.

Don’t fall for this obvious attempt to “rattle your cage”.

This post first line should have been “Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, Nothing to see here, just move along” “Don’t confuse me with the facts, my mind is already made up”.

Nine years after 9-11 and still believing the OS is the definition of “Sheeple”.

The one fact that the Sheeple seem to over look is that even the conclusion of the official 9-11 commission is that they were NOT supplied with all of the evidence requested. Bottom line a Complete, Open and Through Investigation has NEVER been done for the largest event in our time. Sounds like “Cover-up” to me How about You?
Now you want fact, proof from official sources, Explain this away.

Three Israelis Arrested on the George Washington Bridge armed with a Truck Bomb on 9-11-01. Held for about 6 months by the FBI and released without charges and allowed to return to Israel.

Originally posted by L1U2C3I4F5E6R


And as far as an attack on members. I do no such thing. I have a different story and my story is the same as the one most people on this planet believe. Islamic Terrorists did this.

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Hmm, I think you are wrong here my friend. I have a feeling that if you ran some various polls through, it would show that most people do NOT believe or support the official story anymore. I think you are in the minority here. I know for myself that if I did a random poll on all the people I know personally, the results would show that most of them don't believe the official story. You're like the one of few left that don't believe we're not alone just because there is yet still, no solid proof, however, the majority of us know otherwise regardless of the lack of real solid proof. Press on.

Originally posted by Alfie1


Quite right. Also, in a controlled demolition the detonations precede the collapse. Charges going off while the building is already collapsing would be pointless :-

www.youtube.com...

REALLY?!?!?! So please tell me exactly how many 110 storey buildings have you witnessed being brought down with explosive demolitions? I would wager the number is, ZERO! So you really would not have any reasonable idea of the sequence of the charges being set off while demolishing a skyscraper. Actually when demo-ing a building, the charges go off, and instantaneously, the structure comes down, at free fall. AND, yes, in some cases the structure begins to collapse while charges are still going off. You see, the freefall part is the dead giveaway that explosives were used on 9-11. Especially pertaining to WTC Bldg 7. It is pointless to argue with L1U2C3I4F5E6R, and even more pointless to agree with her...

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Chomsky is a fool. He questions why anyone would care who killed JFK and dismisses it with some throw away line about plenty of people get killed everyday so why should this matter.

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You are quite right , I have never seen a 110 storey building brought down by cd.