Is this 9/11 nonsense going to ever go away? ZERO eveidence but still pushing on!

reply to post by L1U2C3I4F5E6R


Where is the substantial evidence for accusing the supposed hijackers of murder? How did the government know exactly who did it before any investigation? Do they have psychic powers?

I wouldn't/couldn't say whether or not explosives were used to bring down the WTC Towers, however I do know that in the history of the world, there have only been two buildings that were reported to collapse straight downward from fire damage; Tower 1 & Tower 2. While that doesn't say definitively that explosives were used, it is a detail worth mentioning. Personally I could give a damn about how the buildings fell. The important thing is; who brought them down? Based on previous plans and contingencies created by the Department of Defense and the CIA, I'm more inclined to believe that our own government manufactured the attacks, not terrorists with incomplete cessna training, armed with box-cutters.

Originally posted by Dudewtf
So let me get this straight:

Bunch of high govt official in a room, one guy says "we gotta start the war on terror, and push through this patriot act thing"

" let's hear some ideas...."

"ok boss, we wire up the twin towers as the biggest controlled demolition ever, crash planes in each as a diversion, push the plunger and hopefully the wiring works and down they go"

"can't we use holographic planes, because I kind of doubt that will work"

"no one will believe we actually thought this would work"

"there's no way it would work, that's the beauty of it"

"we only have 2 planes"

"just shoot a missile at the pentagon"

"then we 'say' one crashed in PA, and just say we cleaned it up quick"

"what about the 'truther movement' which will most likely arise when they see we are short on planes and the buildings come down perfectly? We better make plans for some accidents"

"nah, we'll just spread around that stupid hologram idea, and call their movie 'bukake of stupid'

"we're gonna get rich - go for it"

"better sell my stock in the airlines, hehe"

Somehow, I find the os MORE believable.

Witty, yet you make your point very well. Reading this makes there thruther story seem even more ridiculous. But that is how it must of happened if the truthers are too be believed.

Some people will not see common sense. Thanks for the much needed enjoyment factor.

9/11 was just a mere accident of two towers that got in front of two airplanes that were flying freely through the skies of New York.

the same @ the pentagon...again the building got in the way of an airplane that was just flying around.

how could anyone think about an inside job just to justify the afghan and Iraq wars later?

If that was an inside job, we would never be able to capture and hanged Osama as we did...or was Saddam?? never mind.

the point is that it was just an accident...it happens all the time, so move on conspiracy theorists!

Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross
reply to post by L1U2C3I4F5E6R

 

Where is the substantial evidence for accusing the supposed hijackers of murder? How did the government know exactly who did it before any investigation? Do they have psychic powers?

It called Intel. As I said the gov may of been informed hours before the event that took place but were not informed of the location of the possible attack. Just that an attack of immense size was about to be undertaken.

I explained the two choices that George Bush and his people had in those few moments. Inform the entire US that a massive attack is about to happen for REAL but they dont know where or how but maybe know who some of the people could be. OR Just hope that the US as a country can come through this together and seek justice later. It was either panic an entire nation of 250,000,000 that could of caused an even bigger catastrophic event or deal with the aftermath and avoid the embarrassing and degrading moment when people realize the Intelligence agencies screwed up big time and missed the biggest attack on US soil in forever.

This is very possibly the way it panned out. The US could of been neglectful and ignored the intel thinking that it just could not happen in the US. they were warned of an attack of large proportions weeks before but put that on the back burner thinking it was bunk intel. The cover up is about their incompetence and their part in the deaths of 3000 people indirectly. No President wants that on his hands. Obama went into panic mode over the oil spill and didn't know what to do ro who to call. Remember how long it took him to make a decision. These things that effect lives are easy to decide on in practice but in RL not so easy.

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Actually there is "no proof" that Muslim Terrorists were involved. 19 Islamic people were onboard (so says the passenger manifest), but they (the news) could've flashed the faces of 20 Chinese passengers, and the world would be pissed at China right now. I don't recall any of the "terrorists" talking to anyone, or making any comments via radio. No Islamic radicals stepped up taking the credit. If I were a terrorist I would jumping at the bit to claim those attacks.... whether I actually did it or not.
There just aren't enough facts to support conspiracy or truth. I can only go on what I know, and I know Bush had a personal vendetta against Iraq, and I know the government cooked up the idea to fly planes into buildings in order to kick start a war with Cuba back in the 60s. I'm not saying that Muslims weren't behind the wheel of those planes, but I'm also not saying that Osama Bin Laden isn't still working for the CIA. Nothing is a 100% in this world, but things can definitely lean left or right.

Originally posted by Mactire
reply to post by pluginkid

 

Actually there is "no proof" that Muslim Terrorists were involved. 19 Islamic people were onboard (so says the passenger manifest), but they (the news) could've flashed the faces of 20 Chinese passengers, and the world would be pissed at China right now. I don't recall any of the "terrorists" talking to anyone, or making any comments via radio. No Islamic radicals stepped up taking the credit. If I were a terrorist I would jumping at the bit to claim those attacks.... whether I actually did it or not.
There just aren't enough facts to support conspiracy or truth. I can only go on what I know, and I know Bush had a personal vendetta against Iraq, and I know the government cooked up the idea to fly planes into buildings in order to kick start a war with Cuba back in the 60s. I'm not saying that Muslims weren't behind the wheel of those planes, but I'm also not saying that Osama Bin Laden isn't still working for the CIA. Nothing is a 100% in this world, but things can definitely lean left or right.

yeah, there's no evidence that the incident was not committed by airline's pilots in protest for higher salaries neither.

Video footage from service station accross the road from pentagon confiscated after alleged plane crash and has never been seen by public.

It's been out for years.

Flight 93 vertical insertion into terain.

The tail section of a Boeing 757 is mostly of carbon fiber. If you are looking for the tail this is what you should be looking for.

I like this conspiracy theory. It is what brought me to ATS. There are a lot of questions that have been raised in my mind, but I have not seen any smoking guns that clearly prove an alternate theory. At least none that I can fully understand in that I lack any real knowledge of demolitions, commercial aircraft, and the like.

I will always be drawn to the debate. I am suspicious of many of the hard core advocates of a particular theory. So much of the theories (including the OS itself) are based on deductive reasoning. So much of it seems to start with an axe to grind and reasons down (Bush did it, the Mossad did it, etc.) and then the points follow. Good understandable writings on the subject without any prior bias are darn hard to find, but thoroughly enjoyed.

Originally posted by L1U2C3I4F5E6R
I think it is a bit insane to draw absurd conclusions with only 20 mins of manipulated footage to support these claims. For every poorly constructed theory I have heard or seen and even read here on ATS (yes I read all the stuff on ATS about 9/11 before commenting) I have not heard one piece of ACTUAL EVIDENCE.

That's because in your world the only possible way there could have been a conspiracy is if it were controlled demolitions, no plane at the Pentagon, etc. Are you still stuck on Loose Change 2nd Edition?

I'll bet for you that there absolutely was no JFK conspiracy whatsoever just so long as Oswald was the only shooter?

That sort of logic dominates the James Randi forums, a place where supposedly everyone worships logical fallacy lists like the Bible. That's about the most fallacious logic out there, and to witness other humans perpetuate such is tragic and embarrassing. No wonder people want to be cyborgs.

How sad that I only had to read the first sentence of the first paragraph and your worldview was summed up so fast.

Now I will say that most truthers don't care for my methods, nor scale the importance of things the way I do. But you're no better by trying to stick it out focusing only on things like the Pentagon. It's like atheists declaring themselves above christians as smarter, while declare with absolute certainty that there is absolutely no higher power or anything supernatural whatsoever, as if anyone could prove or disprove such.

Let me guess: the easiest answer is absolutely the only one? Nope: planners couldn't utilize such 'logic'?

Let me guess: controlled demolitions debate is one sided and the other side has no legs to stand on whatsoever? Right. And all Liberals and Conservatives are absolutely correct about every aspect and issue related to them and the other guy.

Read the Bible much? There is ONLY good & evil... nothing in between.

reply to post by waypastvne


Besides Jack and $h!t, what exactly does that video show?

"Operation Northwoods" is the greatest bit of 9/11 evidence out there.

So I guess the fact that modified Thermite debris was found in the rubble and dust all around Manhattan means nothing? Don't know too many planes with thermite flying around. Also please explain the flight path being done by pilots who had not even enough skill to properly take off and land. NORAD doing War Game exercises the same day with a terrorist attack by airplanes. AAFB scrambling jets out over the Atlantic instead of intercepting the plane in D.C. Bush giving 40 million to the Taliban in May of 2001. Family of Bin Laden being in DC the week of 9/11 meeting with the President and safely being flown back after the attacks. Guess none of that is any evidence of foul play.

33 flags and 45 stars for Lucifer Lucy's "ZERO evidence" thread -- which except for the resident debunkers -- could barely garner any support when her "show me the proof" diatribe erupted this morning? And now it's made it to the ATS front page as a top member pick?

Sorry, I just don't buy it. Not sure how it was done, but something tells me Lucy had a little help from her friends.

Originally posted by benoni
Well then I must be real dumb.....

My understanding of the thread was as follows....

The OP publicly embarrasses herself by attaching a video which, as pointed out prior, is the polar opposite of her trolling intentions.....

But, hey wtfhuh, maybe ive just brought down the IQ level a bit more.....



....or did you.....???

+1 on your understanding...

edit on 20-9-2010 by benoni because: (no reason given)

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Originally posted by L1U2C3I4F5E6R

That's because in your world the only possible way there could have been a conspiracy is if it were controlled demolitions, no plane at the Pentagon, etc. Are you still stuck on Loose Change 2nd Edition?

I'll bet for you that there absolutely was no JFK conspiracy whatsoever just so long as Oswald was the only shooter?


How sad that I only had to read the first sentence of the first paragraph and your worldview was summed up so fast.

Now I will say that most truthers don't care for my methods, nor scale the importance of things the way I do. But you're no better by trying to stick it out focusing only on things like the Pentagon.

Right, I NEVER once mentioned the Pentagon in my posts. I only mentioned the TWIN towers. So READ first then comment. Typical truther not willing to do the hard graft first.

Next point is, I have no interest and never have done in the JFK conspiracy. He was an American politician / President and I do not care about them one bit. So what, a man was shot years ago. WHO CARES? no one anymore. Life has managed to progress without this man. People are shot every day. Life is lost everyday. Just because it was an American President does not mean I will lose any sleep over it. Whether they have the right guy or whether more were involved I do not care. NO impact on my life.

I never watched Loose change. Most docs are biased towards the maker even though they supposedly try to not be biased. This loose change people mention is someones translation of something. Not my translation.

As for you. You failed to read my posts but still commented on the PENTAGON when I have made not 1 reference to it. So your view is invalid. Nil. Void.

Okay okay, Sarcasm

Originally posted by L1U2C3I4F5E6R

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Originally posted by L1U2C3I4F5E6R

That's because in your world the only possible way there could have been a conspiracy is if it were controlled demolitions, no plane at the Pentagon, etc. Are you still stuck on Loose Change 2nd Edition?

I'll bet for you that there absolutely was no JFK conspiracy whatsoever just so long as Oswald was the only shooter?

How sad that I only had to read the first sentence of the first paragraph and your worldview was summed up so fast.

Now I will say that most truthers don't care for my methods, nor scale the importance of things the way I do. But you're no better by trying to stick it out focusing only on things like the Pentagon.

Right, I NEVER once mentioned the Pentagon in my posts. I only mentioned the TWIN towers. So READ first then comment. Typical truther not willing to do the hard graft first.

Next point is, I have no interest and never have done in the JFK conspiracy. He was an American politician / President and I do not care about them one bit. So what, a man was shot years ago. WHO CARES? no one anymore. Life has managed to progress without this man. People are shot every day. Life is lost everyday. Just because it was an American President does not mean I will lose any sleep over it. Whether they have the right guy or whether more were involved I do not care. NO impact on my life.

I never watched Loose change. Most docs are biased towards the maker even though they supposedly try to not be biased. This loose change people mention is someones translation of something. Not my translation.

As for you. You failed to read my posts but still commented on the PENTAGON when I have made not 1 reference to it. So your view is invalid. Nil. Void.

Good work getting more than 30 stars and flags and a 16 page thread regarding nothing more than inane blather about your unsupported personal opinion about people ("truthers") who are genuinely seeking the truth and demanding an honest independent unbiased investigation about 911. Ho hum! zzzzzz!

reply to post by L1U2C3I4F5E6R


As I was summing you up by your first paragraph, I had to make it diverse.

My point was to sum you up via the first paragraph, and see how I'd do, as sort of entertainment.

Interesting that you didn't comment on my WTC comments, when supposedly that's all you're trying to talk about.

With a vastly limited worldview, of course you wouldn't comprehend the scale of importance of of a true anti-establishment president being assassinated in front of the world, in the most powerful nation in the world. I'm guessing you're a Chompsky follower. I really appreciate him, but don't follow along with everything he says.

Make a film about a complex issue, and cover every angle, and every side of every argument, and keep it under 6 hours: I dare you. Please PM with it when you do.

PS: There are endless hours of footage just from WTC alone. And then there's still shots. "20 minutes"? Nice try.

reply to post by L1U2C3I4F5E6R



Kennedy being shot did not effect your life one bit? You are very naive. His death changed American policies and shook the world. His death made a very powerful statement to ANY one who would try to be in a position of power and go against the establishment. Vietnam went on longer then because of his death. I am sure you know someone who was in that war or who had relatives in it.

There has been evidence brought up on the Twin Towers by me and others and you have ignored it. For a follower of the Angel of the Morning Star you sure do not seem to seek the light of knowledge.