You don't mutilate your daughters - why do you mutilate your sons ? (Discussion concerning human se

reply to post by Accountant


I don't think your message came across as intended. If you don't do any hanky panky with your junk, then yes it would be impossible to spread any disease as hanky panky is necessary for contact with pathogens. Also if you never perform any hanky panky with your junk there won't be 300 million of you for long. I am so very sorry you don't do hanky panky as this is what junk is built for. My condolences. (It's 4am here, and I'm being humorous to stay awake, and finish my shift, no ill intent.) I think you are referrencing circumcision with "hanky panky" am I correct? It just sounded humorous to native english speaking, and I had to have fun with it.

I just wanted to say that as a Brit, the almost routine circumcision of male American babies both confounds and appalls me. The foreskin is there for a reason - it is NOT a defect and was put there by mother nature. How arrogant though for people to think they know better than nature. The arguments to justify this mutilation are pathetic. "It's more hygenic", "It just looks better". Absolute crap. We all know the reason why most babies have their penis mutilated - it's because their father had his done and Daddy wants junior to be just like him. It's pathetic, selfish, cruel, and tantamount to child abuse.

The problem will never go away though - circumcision in the US is just way too entrenched in American culture which is a great shame.

Also, just to address the dumb-ass notion that uncut males are more susceptible to infection - I'm 40, uncut, and have never had a UTI in my life. Do you have showers in America? Also, the old chestnut that circumcision causes the penis to be more sensitive is absolute rubbish too. Think about what you're saying for God's sake. The glans of the penis, uncovered and exposed to daily rubbing against underwear etc is only going to become desensitized over the years, not more sensitive.

Originally posted by christinaV
It should be up to the father, he knows whats best for his son.

My God. are you serious?

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Circumcision is nothing more than a sadistic and cruel mutilation which causes irreversable damage. Mutilated boys thus grow up with destabilised mind, a warped view on life and will always house a deep, hidden resentment towards others. I won't mention the violent tendencies etc. as I could go on for ever. Most Israeli and North American males get the cut and look what a sad, sorry state they are in. Case closed!

To say that it is criminal is so inadequate I could laugh.

It is PURE EVIL!!!!!!!!!!

If you are snipped. you are the property of the Alien agenda dark side.

God doesn't make mistakes. Alien false-Gods do!

Wake up people.

Listen to Phil Schneider.

Must dash.

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I havn't been circumsised, evolution put that extra skin there for a reason you know.

Originally posted by Blarneystoner
It's hardly mutilation.

Many of the benefits include:

~ Prevents Penile Cancer. Virtually eliminates the risk
~ Helps prevent Urinary tract infections
~ Lowers risk of contracting STDs.
~ More Hygienic

How? Ive had foreskin all my life, well im 18 so 18 years infact.

It's easy ya know, just pull back and clean, not really hard work.

People who get infections are just lazy and don't clean.

I may also like to point out, on a mountain bike accident i went head first down a rocky edge with the bike stuck to me, one of the gears which had snapped sliced into my foreskin, nothing major, but if that foreskin wasnt there my penis head wouldnt of been so lucky, and i would of been in a LOT of pain.

Ugh - do not mutilate anyone.

And I have to question the faith that mutilates anyone.

People are sent here, with all their body parts - DO NOT CUT THEM OFF! That is what I believe. Those parts are there for a reason.

I would just like to add.

If someone came in the night whilst you were asleep and took out your appendix (Which are completely useless organs) would you be ok with that?

Removing any part of you without your consent is mutilation.

reply to post by ofhumandescent


Thanks for this discussion, I will sya I have not circumsiced my son at all. He is 13 years old and he doesn't have any problems with his area, nor has he. He is healthy down there , never had infections, bladder infections and he certainly doesn't have Cancer. Many women who have found out considered me to be stupid for our decisions, my husband who is circumcised is behind me in this. I found the thought of it to be cruel, and unecessary. He has never been picked on at school, as changing in front of boys he has never taken off his underwear, he just changes into shorts and a T-shirt, so they have never seen him naked. It doesn't bother him at all, he has never questioned why he isn't. I feel if he wants to do the procedure when he is older it will be his choice. I feel the same way about Baptism as well, non of kids are Baptised. If they want to be when they are adult they will choose so.

"I may also like to point out, on a mountain bike accident i went head first down a rocky edge with the bike stuck to me, one of the gears which had snapped sliced into my foreskin, nothing major, but if that foreskin wasnt there my penis head wouldnt of been so lucky, and i would of been in a LOT of pain."

Maybe someone should start a line of leather protective-gear made from all the discarded foreskins. Or maybe coin-purses that turn into large hand-bags when you rub them.

reply to post by Haydn_17


Hi, Haydn,

I have a funny feeling that the appendix is there for a reason - otherwise why would it be there?

How about a botched circumcision? I know a person (in his 20s), because of what happened he was raised as a girl...and he is not happy about that for many different reasons now that he knows it.

Originally posted by gimme_some_truth

Originally posted by ofhumandescent
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No your memory has surpressed the trauma.

A trauma to a baby is still a trauma.

With all due respect that is flat out bull....

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I remember when i was 1 and a half, i was at the beach, i was with my dad who was holding me in the water, he let me walk around in the shallow water, and to this day i still remember tripping over a pebble and having my head covered in water so i couldnt breath, i was literally drowning in the shallow part of the sea, untill my dad picked me up again, ( i was only underwater for seconds but to me it felt like a long time)

I am still traumatized my the experience 17 years later and refuse to go into the deep end of the sea to this very day, the experience effected me so much i have never learnt to swim because im afraid of deep water.

So i can remember.

reply to post by Kailassa

Personally I've repaired legs and feet perfectly with urine

Well, thankfully I've never been in a situation where I've had to go that far! Still, people have been using urine for all sorts of things for thousands of years.
Its just that this idea that we need to remove a piece of our body to be hygienic is utterly ridiculous. We have to teach our kids to wipe their backsides @some point, eh? Then to make sure they wash them assiduously.
I dont remember how my parents drummed crotch hygiene into me, but my son was in his "why" phase when I began showing/telling him what has to be done. It led to a pretty funny conversation about what germs are, why you cant see them, the differences between girls & boys & the fact that, when I'd been away working for a few days, pretty much the 1st thing his mum would say to me when I got back was "get in the bath, you stink!"
Strange really, if having a foreskin is so dangerous, because I've lived in some fairly unsanitary conditions every now & then, but somehow I've managed to get away with nothing more than a little soreness after extended vigorous sex. There again I'm 42 so perhaps I'll get the galloping knob-rot in the future... If I do, perhaps it'll be time to get cut then. At least I'll have had decades of full use out of the thing to look back on.

Who wants to see porn with foreskin?

Who wants to see porn with Skin bridges?

On a more serious note, I don't think this is the most important issue because I'm sure you'll be hard pressed to find a man that isn't happy with how they are... it seems somewhat pointless to me - if it was better then it would be logical that we would have evolved that way. We did not.

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No one remembers everything, particularly early events, however everything that has ever occurred to you is imprinted upon your psyche.

Now couple that last bit of known information with the fact that you cannot explain to a baby why this unnessary procedure is being done.

All the baby knows is that he was dark, warm and comfortable, then felt contractions (if you have ever had 18 hours of hard labor you know how fun this is) and then pushed out into a world where it is bright, cold and strange.........meanwhile the baby does not have the intellegence yet to even begin to understand what in sam heck is happening to him and then he is tied down and feels pain (the cut).

I repeat, our brains are wonderous, we store every piece of information, every incident that occurs from a little before birth up to our death. Just because you don't remember it, doesn't mean the experience isn't deep within you and has been a small part of shaping who you are.

Domains of the Psyche

It is perhaps unsurprising that, from the point of view of the expanded consciousness at work in NOSC, our understanding of the psyche might itself become expanded. Two additional domains beyond the Biographical loom large in breathwork and may help clarify how healing can occur in NOSC:

1.) The Biographical

The Biographical Domain begins at birth and extends to the present. It is a trove of information, available from memory for cognitive analysis and interpretation. Material that is intractable to recall may be encouraged to reveal itself through various techniques, perhaps most notably hypnosis and dream analysis.

2.) The Perinatal

Sigmund Freud proposed that the psyche of the newborn is a Tabula Rasa. This posits that the earlier imprints were made chronologically on this “clean slate”, the greater the impact upon the emerging psyche and non-ordinary consciousness work confirms and extends this view. The publication of “The Trauma of Birth” by Otto Rank in 1924, however, challenged Freud’s assertion. Grof’s observations amplify Rank’s hypothesis that the process of birth can create imprints which carry forward into life, creating behaviors that may confound when viewed from within an exclusively biographical framework.

The Perinatal Domain includes the entire birth process, from conception to emergence. Within this Grof has identified four distinct stages he calls Basic Perinatal Matrices (BPM) that comprise the Perinatal Domain.

Source and rest of article:rebecoming.org...

Originally posted by InterestedUK

Originally posted by christinaV
It should be up to the father, he knows whats best for his son.

My God. are you serious?

I know! When I saw that post I thought "you obviously haven't met my father!"

Originally posted by Kailassa
I believe it was also an anti-masturbation thing, so that boys would be less likely to touch themselves, and therefore be less in touch with their own desires and easier for religion to manipulate.

"Jacking off" is moving the skin that is around the penis up and down along the shaft. Having more skin makes this thing easier. And the hood also protects the skin of the tip of the penis. The most sensitive area. This means the tip will never rub against fabrics and stuff, thus the body will not grow as thick skin there. Making it more sensitive. Masturbation is a gift nobody should try to take from others.