Feminism: Destroying the Male and Female Relationship

Funny...I seem to be getting along just fine with my b/f....and he's a feminist...a very manly one of course. Perhaps all these people whining about how feminism ruined their relationship are just looking for a scapegoat and have underlying resentment for females because of personal traumatic events....?

Has'nt this thread gone on long enough.....are'nt you whiny boys old enough now to grow in to real men and take responsibility for your own lives?

reply to post by laiguana

Umm nope not at all. Look at the three issues i brought up in my last post. Address those concerns and then we can talk about wether or not I resent women. If you are unable to address those and the other issues without attacking the person instead of the arguments then you bring nothing of real worth to the issue nor debate.

reply to post by bluemirage5

Originally posted by bluemirage5
Has'nt this thread gone on long enough.....are'nt you whiny boys old enough now to grow in to real men and take responsibility for your own lives?

And I can say the same about women who fought for equality, can I not? Oh but if I do I will be misogynic wont I? Shaming will not get me to stop asking truly valid issues, which to yet no one seems willing to answer, Call me whiny all you want, doesn't matter to me, if/when you can answer the questions then you have room to talk and call someone names. Attack the argument and not the person.

In addition as for being a real man, I am one, and know plenty more. Just as I know a bunch of women who aren't real women or mothers either. It goes both ways.

Originally posted by bluemirage5
Has'nt this thread gone on long enough.....are'nt you whiny boys old enough now to grow in to real men and take responsibility for your own lives?

Funny. As I recall that's EXACTLY what women did to take over the world. Whine and cry out in the streets and bit*h and complain while bouncing signs. You were the biggest crybabies in history and it's well documented. Easy for you to challenge the manhood of everyone who disagrees with you, and that is exactly the tactic that someone threatened to lose what they have gained would do. Men oppress women and you guys cry and get the world handed to you by Oprah and Nazi Headhunting Lesbians and it's ok, but when you guys start taking all of the jobs of Men, divorcing for alimony and even lying to men about the "pill" and trapping them into fatherhood.....just to divorce them and take them to court and let your daddy "The Government" give you enough money for child support to wipe your butt with, we men are supposed to just lie back and let you women walk all over us.....and for what? Because you are the fairer sex? No longer is that true. You women should have to dint tooth and nail for what you get the same as we men and that's without the full support of government simply because they have the agenda of emasculating men so there will be no one left to fight them on the day of reckoning. You women are nothing but pawns in a dangerous game, benefitting now, but sealing your own fates in the process. You are sacrificing women and men for your own selfish desires and materialism. Don't say I don't know you, you are a woman living in this world today and you are one of THEM! You and everyone in this world who resembles you, make me sick. Your free ride will soon be over women. Men everywhere are waking up to the fact they are no longer needed in your arena, and when that happens.......you will fend for yourselves...even when danger arrives because you are killing the chivalry that once protected you from other bad, bad men out there. Just because a small few of you out there have a "good guy" or one that agrees with feminism (or whipped) doesn't mean that the statistical whole is that way.....in a world of resentful women shouting the feminist war cry, men are turning the other way when women get assaulted or worse. Good luck!

reply to post by peck420


Well are you making veiled comments about Islam? Or is it black people (i.e. non-Caucasian) or what?

All that something like 51% of humanity needs is equality of opportunity to be. That 51% is female. If they choose to take the more traditional role fine if they choose not to take the more traditional role that too is fine. If you had a daughter wouldn't you want her to be free of all manner of inequality based on gender? Especially when the USA and the West has lost their big manufacturing or manual labour industries?

Again human brain scanning is indicating that a significant number of men and women have brain patterns that are different from these perceived genders. This seems to be indifferent to their sexuality. The idea of mens work and women's works seems to be weakening in the face of human science.

All that I can see is that there is a lot of suspicion and fear is occuring in a fearful time. The feminist movement has died down considerable but there are still some men who seem to be putting the blame onto a dwindly breed called feminists. What do you people on ATS make of the post feminists???

Also the pendulum at the heart of society will swing the other way and any minor (in terms of numbers) incidents of feminist excess will reduce over time. however at that same momnet I hope that a lot of the old school sexism which is sadly alive and well in 2010 and ATS will take a (well deserved) drubbing.

Originally posted by mayertuck
Gender feminism is supposed to be for equality, but yet will not fight to have women be drafted like men, does not support shared custody, male victims of domestic violence, etc.

Men aren't drafted anymore, and honestly I don't see why you all still have to register for it. Women join the military every day of their own free-will, and as much as I'd like to argue that we should be able to be in the infantry if we so choose there are legitimate reasons why it's a bad idea. I don't like it, but I accept it. Instead of having women register for a potential draft that will most likely never happen, I'd rather see the registration requirement on men abolished. There's no need for it anymore.

Were more men willing to step up and take responsibility for their children, I'd be tickled pink. Sadly many don't want that responsibility. As far as shared custody, it depends on what exactly you mean. If by shared you mean the kids go back and forth between houses every few days or every other week, then no I don't support that. Not because men are incapable of raising children, but because it's not a very stable environment for kids to grow up in if they're bouncing back and forth all the time. Kids need stability and some structure in their lives. Whoever did most of the caregiving should continue to be the caregiver. Goes back to that whole stability thing.

Men who are the victims of domestic abuse need to quit worrying about getting called a wimp and turn the abuser in, and the police in turn need to take such reports seriously. I may never be able to cause the same amount of damage as a man my size or bigger, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't be held accountable for beating on someone. If a man was abusing me you can bet your butt I'd be calling the police on him and having his hind end hauled off to jail. I fully expect the same in return if I were to start abusing a man. Being female doesn't make me or anyone else above the law when it comes to domestic violence.

Edit: I inadvertently created a new post while attempting to edit this one. I have moved all my information into the new one and deleted this one. Please see my next post and disregard this one.

Originally posted by Dark Ghost
reply to post by Jenna

 

Men do report domestic violence but they are usually laughed at or not taken seriously. If they retaliate then they are the ones who get arrested and are assumed to be the aggressors. It's lose-lose in this regard. Feminism has definitely played a role in conditioning society to view Women as the victims and Men as the aggressors.

Incorrect. While I agree that is not fair that men do not get treated seriously by police.. it is not feminism's fault. Men who get beaten up by a woman have ALWAYS been laughed at and ridiculed.. it is not a sudden cultural change created by feminism.

Originally posted by Jenna
Were more men willing to step up and take responsibility for their children, I'd be tickled pink. Sadly many don't want that responsibility.

How do you define "responsibility" in this context? Do you mean refrain from having sex unless he can afford to raise a child? Being forced to financially support a child he never wanted? Do the same rules apply when the genders are reversed? Will the Women be "forced" to conceive a child she never wanted? Is having an Abortion facing up to her responsibilities? Why is the Man's sperm only a valid consideration when the issue of financial support is brought up?

Men who are the victims of domestic abuse need to quit worrying about getting called a wimp and turn the abuser in, and the police in turn need to take such reports seriously. I may never be able to cause the same amount of damage as a man my size or bigger, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't be held accountable for beating on someone. If a man was abusing me you can bet your butt I'd be calling the police on him and having his hind end hauled off to jail. I fully expect the same in return if I were to start abusing a man. Being female doesn't make me or anyone else above the law when it comes to domestic violence.

Men do report domestic violence but they are usually laughed at or not taken seriously. If they retaliate then they are the ones who get arrested and are assumed to be the aggressors. It's lose-lose in this regard. Feminism has definitely played a role in conditioning society to view Women as the victims and Men as the aggressors.

Originally posted by WeRpeons
Pretty soon men will be painting their nails and start carrying purses.

...gosh, have you been in a time warp or sequestered in a monastery?... that happened decades ago and it didnt turn one man gay or into a woman...

Originally posted by WeRpeons
Women will stop shaving their legs and armpits and start shaving their hair like men.

...its a fairly new thing for women to shave their legs and armpits but it took hold bigtime... hollywood had a lot to do with that, as did the popularity of bikinis... i seriously doubt that large numbers of women will stop shaving their hairy parts, unless they decide to go for the wax jobs instead...

...also, women already do shave their head or just portions of their head if they want to - been accepted in society for decades...

Originally posted by WeRpeons
I never thought I would see the day where women would actually think tatoos looked attractive. The only group that would get tattoos were military people and bikers.

...either your post is a joke or your ignorance is astounding... tattoos have been around for thousands of years... if you dont like tats, dont get one - simple...

Originally posted by Dark Ghost
How do you define "responsibility" in this context? Do you mean refrain from having sex unless he can afford to raise a child? Being forced to financially support a child he never wanted? Do the same rules apply when the genders are reversed? Will the Women be "forced" to conceive a child she never wanted?

By take responsibility I mean many things including sticking around when he finds out he's fathered a child, being there for his child, supporting that child emotionally, psychologically, and financially, etc. Being a parent is more than just handing over money every month. There are options available to men if they don't want to be a father, both before creating a child and afterward. Celibacy isn't the only option nor is it realistic to expect every man who isn't ready to be a father to be celibate. I can't for the life of me figure out why you jumped straight to forcing people into things..

If you don't want to father a child you can choose between celibacy, condoms, and getting a vasectomy if you want to go the potentially permanent route. If you don't want to be responsible for a child you've fathered you can sign away your parental rights and walk away. Women can choose between celibacy, the pill/shot/patch, and getting their tubes tied. If they don't want to be responsible for a child they've already given birth to, they too can sign away their parental rights and walk away.

As far as abortion goes, and I really don't want to get too deep into this discussion, when I can force you to do something with your body that you don't want to do then you'll have the right to force me to do something I don't want to do with mine. Until then, I honestly don't believe men should get the final say in whether or not an abortion happens. They should get to voice their opinion when it's their girlfriend/wife/whatever, and their opinion should be considered, but they shouldn't be the ones making the final decision about it. It doesn't affect men the same way it does women. You'll never fully understand what it's like to have a life growing inside you, nor will you ever fully understand what it's like to have that life extinguished or the effect that either of those have on a woman psychologically and emotionally. It's not something that can be helped and it's not anybody's fault, it's just the way it is. And while I can't ever see myself being willing to have an abortion, I can understand why some women do. It's not my place to tell them what they can and can't do with their body, nor is it yours.

Men do report domestic violence but they are usually laughed at or not taken seriously. If they retaliate then they are the ones who get arrested and are assumed to be the aggressors. It's lose-lose in this regard. Feminism has definitely played a role in conditioning society to view Women as the victims and Men as the aggressors.

Men have always been seen as the aggressors. Pick up any history book and you can find evidence. It's not something that only happened with the beginnings of Feminism. And as I said, men should report it and the police should take it seriously. Centuries of men portraying themselves as untouchable was bound to have an effect, and not being believed is the result. It's not fair, and it shouldn't be that way, but there it is. It takes time to change society's attitudes about anything, and it will take time for society to come to the realistic and logical conclusion that men can be abused just as easily as women. Not in the same numbers certainly, but it happens just the same. Anyone who claims it doesn't needs a reality check.

Edit to add: No fair changing posts after I've hit reply!

reply to post by Jenna


Questioning the responsibilities of the mother suddenly makes me want to dictate how women should live and what they should do with their own bodies? I simply want society as a whole to acknowledge that women ALSO have a responsibility when it comes to preventing pregnancy. Yes, they go through the physical duress for 9 months, but how long does a Child's life last? That's ~18 years of financial and emotional support that should be taken into consideration.

Originally posted by Jenna
If you don't want to father a child you can choose between celibacy, condoms, and getting a vasectomy if you want to go the potentially permanent route. If you don't want to be responsible for a child you've fathered you can sign away your parental rights and walk away. Women can choose between celibacy, the pill/shot/patch, and getting their tubes tied. If they don't want to be responsible for a child they've already given birth to, they too can sign away their parental rights and walk away.

I don't know which country you are in but here in the UK you can't simply sign away your parental rights and walk away. I think you'll find women can pretty much cut the father out of the childs life and then demand money and the government will make sure he pays. Worst of all if the father doesn't think he is indeed the father he needs the permission of the mother to get a genetic test. If she doesn't give it he has to go to court and very often they won't grant the test.

When it comes to children women have all of the cards.

Originally posted by Jenna
As far as abortion goes, and I really don't want to get too deep into this discussion, when I can force you to do something with your body that you don't want to do then you'll have the right to force me to do something I don't want to do with mine. Until then, I honestly don't believe men should get the final say in whether or not an abortion happens. They should get to voice their opinion when it's their girlfriend/wife/whatever, and their opinion should be considered.

If they are not a part of the decision then what exactly would be the point of hearing the mans opinion? What is there to consider if he can't change the decision? Don't get me wrong i don't think a man should be able to force a woman into an abortion because it's the womans body. At the same time i think if a guy doesn't want the child then the woman shouldn't be able to hold him to ransom, forced to pay for 18 years. If the guy doesn't want it he should have the right to sign a piece of paper stating he has no intention of being a part of the childs life. He then gets to walk away. This would be a far more equal system.

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lol like the scientific prof that feminist provide lol. Almost every study they come out with is proved to be a biased study with bias results. Like the glass ceiling lol where men get paid more then women which has been proven wrong for a long time now. Not to mention what they define as date rape. Getting drunk and having sex with someone then regretting it the next day isn't date rape or every fat girl who goes to bars and prays on the really drunk guy would be in jail as well. Yeah the world isn't the same after the pill i think they should have that right as well as abortion but with that being said they shouldn't be given money when they take away there husbands children and they caused the reason for the split only to feed her self off his money and date around just because she is the mother of his children. There should be some state order that makes them show they are spending the money on the children.

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


More double speak from Feminism. "Yes, fathers are important. But the decision is with the woman. The man can comment but it is her choice that counts. What she chooses is all that matters because it is her body. When men can go through 9-months of labour then they can comment. Up until then, they are sperm banks that need to keep their snakes in their cages." (and so on continues the same old recycled garbage).

And what about the sperm? Well, it's only good for establishing when Child Support payments should be made. Otherwise, the man has lost control of his seed and apparently all the rights that come with that seed. Is it really any wonder why less and less men are eager to marry and have kids? The system is set up to screw them either way.

Originally posted by FortAnthem
reply to post by rusethorcain

 

Yes, I guess the truth can be offencive to some.


Especially when it hits too close to home.

Hitting too close to home? You are damn right....I have to get myself a Fort?

Let me tell you something buster I am no feminist.
I believe in equality for all
and until women and children actually get it ALL
and stop dying at the hands of MEN
you will hear me speak up on their behalf
every now and then.

What appears to be just fine to you is reprehensible to me...


The violence, murder and death is not hitting
close to your home

because it's coming from your house.

reply to post by rusethorcain


Why do you keep grouping Women with Children?

Children are Minors, Women are grown Adults.

Children should be treated like Children and Women should be treated like Adults.

If Adults cannot function in an environment without feeling inadequate and frightened then they should try functioning in a different environment where they are at ease.

Originally posted by pcrobotwolf
reply to post by rusethorcain

 

lol like the scientific prof that feminist provide lol. Almost every study they come out with is proved to be a biased study with bias results. Like the glass ceiling lol where men get paid more then women which has been proven wrong for a long time now. Not to mention what they define as date rape. Getting drunk and having sex with someone then regretting it the next day isn't date rape or every fat girl who goes to bars and prays on the really drunk guy would be in jail as well. Yeah the world isn't the same after the pill i think they should have that right as well as abortion but with that being said they shouldn't be given money when they take away there husbands children and they caused the reason for the split only to feed her self off his money and date around just because she is the mother of his children. There should be some state order that makes them show they are spending the money on the children.

Didn't hear you complain when Erin Prizzy was found guilty of taking mens children completely away from them because the mothers were abused by the fathers...Many here have said, women can aggravate a man into hitting them, but it does not mean the man does not love his children.

So you are not all that objective, due most likely to personal experience leaving you burned and biased.
Not my fault you got caught. Watch where you are sending your friend. lol:


Face it...the bottom line here is there are so many men and boys didn't study in school, were out drinking, doing drugs, chasing women, getting laid, and otherwise just screwing around now when they sit on their fat arses because they can't find a job since the only skills they have is drinking, doing drugs, chasing women, getting laid and screwing around...nobody wants them.
They can't find a job.
They don't let you just pump gas anymore.
This group is not misogynistic.
They love women (too much) and are helpless without them.
They are blaming women for leaving their homes and children and taking gainful employment away from them as if they might have worked the job anyway...it is a joke.

Ya gotta have something to scream back at ma when she tells you to get your smelly feet off the couch and go out and get a job.

I can't ma...all those horrible feminist women have taken all the jobs!!!!