Obama Birth Certificate; 'Document allegedly obtained in Kenya sent to every member of Congress'

Of course Obama is illegal to be our President. Most Americans now know this. But nobody in our government will do anything about it because we have a criminal government. Obama was a CIA creation that has never showed a birth certificate with the doctor and hospital where he was born? Why? lol If he had it, it would have been shown a LONG time ago.

Get ready because Philip Berg is going to organize a march on DC in October to protest the illegal alien Barry Soetoro. I hope he pulls off the march and we get about 10 million there to shut that cesspool down for the day!

A message needs to be sent that our fake press can't cover up.

Originally posted by adifferentbreed
Nope, not being nosy.....if he did recieve student aid as an exchange student, that wouod pretty much prove it right there.

Oh dear, another silly birther falls for a old April fool's joke - just shows how much "research" or even reading here they do - none at all!

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Of course Obama is illegal to be our President. Most Americans now know this.
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Really?!
No kidding!
Berg will be lucky to get ten people in a march!
This is the mentality we are dealing with!
His entire proof is.....of course Obama is illegal to be our President.
What ya want to be most birthers lust after Palin!

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Like many others here, I have done my fair share of reserch regarding Mr. Obama's nationality. Based on emails I have received and the many discussions I have had about this subject, it seems that a good majority of Americans feel like they have been lied to regarding the place of Mr. Obama's birth. I don't think that the "American people just don't care ..."; I think that, in general, the American people simply don't know what to do or how to handle the situation. It seems that many Americans are in a state of denial regarding this issue. Our country and its' people have never been in a situation where we have had to question the nationality of our president, until now. For those that believe the president was born in Kenya, just what are they to do? There have been many American citizens that have made demands to see official birth documents, only to either be ignored or to have copies of bogus, invalid documents pushed into their collective faces. How are we supposed to handle this? If Mr. Obama was born in Kenya, what do we do, now that we have elected him to serve as the head of our government; now that we have possibly turned our government and our Constitution over to a foreigner? As much as I have reserched this subject, I don't have any answers.
My biggest concern is the protection and preservation of our Constitution and the laws therein. If we have a president that is not "legal", does that make our Constitution null and void? It seems that Mr. Obama has made his feeling clear regarding our Constitution. Also, we have been informed by our president that our country is no longer based on Christian beliefs. Additionally, "we the people", have collectively maintained our silence when our president has apologized for our country's actions abroad. Why does Mr. Obama, or anyone else, have to apologize for any action our country has taken? Where has our country gone? What has happened to OUR Constitution? This is clearly not the same country or even the same government that we have had up to this point in our country's short history. If Mr. Obama is Kenyan born and as president, has rejected the entire concept of our Constitution, where does that leave us? Are we still living in a free country? Are we still governed by the laws of the Constitution?
This is not an issue of the American people not caring, it is an issue of the American people not knowing what to do, who to trust, and how to bring this issue to light in order to gain the honest, truthful answers to this "place of birth" dilema. We do not have a "go to" person that will sincerely listen to our concerns, represent us and lead us into proper, legal action. It seems that many Americans have resigned to remaining silent, not knowing who they can trust, and are pacing the floor, wringing their hands while waiting for someone of power, trust and knowledge to lead us to the truth we all deserve to have. Clearly, we will never be able to obtain the truth from Mr. Obama.
Regardless of my own opinions concerning Mr. Obama's place of birth, I am extremely concerned about the future of our Country, the future of our freedom and the future of our Constitution.

I received a U2 asking for me to elaborate on my post.
One could speculate it was the Blue Moon though perhaps it's quite more than that.
The curse of Buddy Holly.....

There is much more to 'reality' than one would assume.
I will be 'Observing' from here forward.
I'm not 'going' anywhere.....
.....though I have had quite a few threats/attempts on my life recently.

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great post and those are my feelings aswell as a large majority of my relatives and friends. everyone ive spoken to including people who voted for obama and support him find it a little fishy that he wont just show a little piece of paper to put the story to rest

What bollocks. A WHITE pregnant woman travels to Kenya from Hawaii to give birth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get a grip.

Boy the hate Obama's are so so desperate that they ignore things that make no sense whatsoever.

Originally posted by lee anoma

Do you have any proof he received foreign aid at all? Are you saying he "probably" got it so you demand proof that he didn't?

It is true, and appears in "Dreams From My Father", as well as in credible newspapers that he went to college on a scholarship.

Among the few claims that are true in this message is that from fall 1979 through spring 1981 Obama attended Occidental College, a small (currently 1,825 students, according to its Web site) school in Los Angeles. After that he transferred to Columbia University in New York City to finish his undergraduate education. The photo here is from his application to Occidental.
It’s also true that Obama was on scholarship while at Occidental, according to articles in the Los Angeles Times and Boston Globe.

Source: www.factcheck.org...

I figured Fact Check.org is a good enough source. You can find the links to the two Boston Globe & Los Angeles Times' articles as well.

Just trying to keep the facts known.

Originally posted by JonInMichigan
Our partier-in-chief had a pretty rough life it would seem and would explain why his views on most things are pretty disconnected from at least half the Americans in this country.

Like most other presidents, its the half that didn't vote for him.
The other side of the political spectrum. Like Democrats being disconnected from Bush.

No mystery and isn't indicative of personal dysfunction.

Wow.... what a bunch of hot heads.

I just stated the facts that the kid was bounced aorund from home to home and place to place.

Bye. I'm done. Thanks for the meaningful discussion....NOT.

BTW, I'm not a birther and not against birthers. I'm completely neutral on this topic so I don't know why you are jumping down my sh-t!?

For all the insults you threw at the people in the Presidents early life, you sure are very sensitive.

You just claimed he was "bounced around"?
Did you even read what you wrote?

You basically called Obamas' mother an international whore, his father a polygamist scumbag, called him the partier-in-chief and implied that because of his difficult upbringing he wasn't a "true-American" fit for the White House.

With your final coup de grâce you circumvent the censors in order to curse at the members in the thread.

Did you think you were adding an element of class to this discussion?

You were not.

- Lee

The Kenyan birth certificate appears to be a fake for the simple reason that the dates on it are written in the American style month - day - year and yet Kenya at that time was part of the British protecterate and as such would have written the dates in the British format day - month year.

Originally posted by lpowell0627

Originally posted by lee anoma

Do you have any proof he received foreign aid at all? Are you saying he "probably" got it so you demand proof that he didn't?

It is true, and appears in "Dreams From My Father", as well as in credible newspapers that he went to college on a scholarship.

It’s also true that Obama was on scholarship while at Occidental, according to articles in the Los Angeles Times and Boston Globe.

Source: www.factcheck.org...

I figured Fact Check.org is a good enough source. You can find the links to the two Boston Globe & Los Angeles Times' articles as well.

Just trying to keep the facts known.

Hang on, you left a lot out there, buddy.

First though, it says he was on scholarship, so was I in college, but where does it say he received a scholarship for foreign students only?

No where.

From your own link:

Q: Has a "smoking gun" been found to prove Obama was not born a U.S. citizen? Did he attend Occidental College on a scholarship for foreign students?

A: This chain e-mail is a transparent April Fools’ Day hoax. It fabricates an AP news story about an nonexistent group, and makes false claims about Obama and the Fulbright program.

FULL ANSWER

The claim is that Obama received a Fulbright scholarship for foreign students, proving that he is not a U.S. citizen and therefore not eligible to be president. Supposedly this was reported by The Associated Press. But the claim is false and the story is a hoax.

Here's the rest of the paragragh you posted:

But that’s about where the truth ends.

For those who might believe that even a fake news story quoting a nonexistent organization might still have some validity, we offer these facts:

No Fulbright:
Contrary to what this e-mail claims, Obama’s scholarship wasn’t a Fulbright. It’s true that many foreign students come to the U.S. under the Fulbright program, sponsored by the United States Department of State’s Bureau of Educational and Cultural Affairs. But Fulbrights for foreign students are primarily intended for graduate students studying for masters’ degrees or Ph.D. degrees, not for college freshmen and sophomores.

No "Soetoro":
Another false claim is that Obama attended and received financial aid "under the name Barry Soetoro," using the surname of his Indonesian stepfather Lolo Soetoro. The college’s Director of Communications Jim Tranquada told us there’s no record of that.

Your link says it's true he got a scholarship, but its not true that it was for foreign students.

Am I missing something or is your own link disproving your claim?

Again, as I said, there is only rumor that he got a foreign scholarship not a shred of proof.

The rumor was started by those credible chain-mails and it was false.
You're right though, that site it is a good source, and should be taken to heart.

Believe everything you found there on that page.

- Lee

Originally posted by starrider
For those that believe the president was born in Kenya, just what are they to do?

Get proof!

There have been many American citizens that have made demands to see official birth documents, only to either be ignored or to have copies of bogus, invalid documents pushed into their collective faces.

You charge that his BC is bogus. Got proof? And I mean real proof. Not some Internet forensic-wanna-be 14 year old in his mom's basement with nothing better to do but call himself "polarik"...and point out so-called problems on a jpg file of Obama's BC. I mean REAL proof. Like a document specialist who handled the actual document.

If Mr. Obama was born in Kenya, what do we do,

IF he was born in Kenya, get proof! You've GOT to have proof.

If we have a president that is not "legal", does that make our Constitution null and void?

Of course not. IF we have an illegal president, he would be impeached and we would carry on.

Also, we have been informed by our president that our country is no longer based on Christian beliefs. Additionally, "we the people", have collectively maintained our silence when our president has apologized for our country's actions abroad.

These are policy issues, having nothing to do with his place of birth.

We do not have a "go to" person that will sincerely listen to our concerns, represent us and lead us into proper, legal action.

That's probably because they know Obama was born here. You have Orly, but she's insane. If you have valid proof of his Kenyan birth, find the Republican Congressman most likely to be sympathetic to your cause and get in contact with him.

Originally posted by lpowell0627
Just trying to keep the facts known.

Yeah.

I just want to point out a few things. First, the story is some guy traveled to Kenya under false pretenses (he lied and said his sister was in the hospital) and went to a hopital, where it just so happened that that same hospital was where Obama was born, and they provided this complete stranger with an official document to a important political figure, of whom he is not related to? This sounds like a fake story to me. No hospital would do that. I think it is a forgery (just my opinion.) Second, the Obama administration is not covering up anything. They publicly released Obama's Live Birth Certificate (the Hawaiian equivalent of a birth certificate at the time, which can be seen here and some info on it here

This seems to simply be a case of someone who went to extraordinary efforts to either 1) forge the document or 2) pay hospital workers to forge it for him. To get Obama removed from office.

Edit:
I wanted to point out a few more things. After comparing both documents in question (the alleged Kenyan birth certificate and the accepted Hawaiian one) I found that both share the exact same information, which I found strange. If you were going to forge a document to become president, why would you use real information? That would only make it easier to track the original and compare the information. Second, if you were going to forge a document, would you use accepted information, or make up new info? I would say use the same information. I think that serves as (circumstantial) evidence that the alleged document is fake.

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To have an illegal President doesn't make the Constitution null and void. If it is proven he is illegal, he would be impeached, possibly imprisoned....along with many others who were complicit.

However, if evidence is not demanded, this situation sets a precedent - that a President need not provide proof of eligibility and need not disclose background.

Such a precedent is more serious than it appears, because if this becomes commonly accepted by the American people, the de facto meaning set by the precedent is that the Government functions outside the Constitution and outside the Law.

This is a very, very dangerous precedent to set, particularly in view of the fact that this government is already steaming in that direction.

I guess it is just conceivable that Obama might be legitimate, but that they are actually trying to establish this precedent for the future, as one more means of circumventing any possibility of the American people being able to restrain their crimes.

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Wow. It's very interesting. No, I didn't know this. Was it known at the time?

Originally posted by wcitizen
However, if evidence is not demanded, this situation sets a precedent - that a President need not provide proof of eligibility and need not disclose background.

That precedent is already set. A president has NEVER been required to provide proof TO THE PUBLIC of his eligibility NOR have they had to disclose all personal data from their past.

What is setting a precedent here is the public demanding that their president prove that he is who he says he is. That has never happened before. An historic presidency in more ways than one, huh?

Source

If Arthur had been born in Canada, some believe that he would not have been a natural-born citizen (interpreting the law to mean that to be a natural-born citizen one must be born on U.S. territory) and would thus have been constitutionally ineligible to serve as vice president or president. During the 1880 U.S. presidential election a New York attorney, Arthur P. Hinman, was hired to explore rumors of Arthur's foreign birth. Hinman alleged that Arthur was born in Ireland and did not come to the United States until he was fourteen years old. When that story failed to take root Hinman came forth with a new story that Arthur was born in Canada. This claim also fell on deaf ears.[2]:202–203 In any case, Arthur's father was not naturalized until some years after his birth, resulting in Arthur having dual citizenship.

History repeats itself. Eerily familiar, huh?

I still prefer the BHO over Mc Cain so if he's Kenyan or not it's a win and honestly the only thing the "others" can do is figure out why in gods name after such a fail that was old white politics did they choose Jr Jr to be there best hope.

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The man has sealed every record of his past at every turn - why is it "if you are American" that the tradition and "LAW" of the Constitution is such a mute point. I mean, it is OBVIOUS by now that he surrounds himself with scholars and politics representing a socialist communist Marx propaganda - and that race - including illegals (which really Hispanics isn't a race) are on the forefront of everything going on.

It's like - we are swept into a war by Mossad (Middle East by 9/11) and then we are bankrupt to destroy the Middle Class voice and power - now we are being bombarded by the Green (Global Warming, Oil Platforms) people, and now we are being attacked for any enforcement of people of color "breaking the law" as well as the border issue. They are brewing a very intentional "domestic" war!

It seems to me that through socialism, everyone will work for the Government, everyone must bow down to any race or issue no matter the cost, and that the Middle East war will bring about the controlling state of Israel and that certain states or nations will fall - for not giving in to the World Bank.

They are weakening the U.S. through "our" tolerance for others, and they brew it ALL with Sympathy or should I say Semitic reference, and from this point on we are now ruled by those who claim to be chosen by day, but live by the fire of Mossad traitors and demons by night.

I am an American, and if you bring your blind, retarded, religious, Union toting BS into my backyard, expect to lose a couple hundred by daybreak! Even my 3 year old can pick off a quail at 25 yards!

Someone better wake up - PEACE OUT

Originally posted by circuitsports
I still prefer the BHO over Mc Cain so if he's Kenyan or not it's a win and honestly the only thing the "others" can do is figure out why in gods name after such a fail that was old white politics did they choose Jr Jr to be there best hope.

The funny thing is, its a widely known fact that McCain was born in Panama, but this was not brought up much during the elections.