Obama Birth Certificate; 'Document allegedly obtained in Kenya sent to every member of Congress'

Originally posted by arizonascott
The man has sealed every record of his past at every turn

He has sealed his record the same as previous Presidents.... if you think he has sealed more then how about proving it?

I mean, it is OBVIOUS by now that he surrounds himself with scholars and politics representing a socialist communist Marx propaganda

If he did that care to show where it is against the constitution?

SNIP a anti jew rant that babbles on.

Just what is your point?

reply to post by getreadyalready


yes he isnt american
yes hes worse than hitler
yes ur country is responsible for the bloodiest wars EVER
yes u were saing?

I have been to Africa, near Kenya. For anyone who has never been there, well...its not a place that keeps records very well. It is also the kind of place where getting a forged anything would be easier and even easier to get it signed by a notary with the right amount of cash. So I do believe it possible that this person got "A birth certificate' in Kenya even a notarized one, but do I believe it is Obama's? No. I still think this whole birth certificate BS is because people want to find something to hate about him and they are to scared to say they don't like him because he is half black. I wish these people would grow some kahones and admit that they are being racist. I might actually gain some respect for them.

Don't forget the problems with this birth certificate, as listed by our favorite Anti-Obama source, World Net Daily. I have only included a few here, but the complete list is available HERE

2. Until 1964, Kenya was the Dominion of Kenya, not the Republic of Kenya, and Mombasa was part of Zanzibar until Dec. 12, 1963, not a coastal province of Kenya.

3. Dr. James O.W. Ang'awa, ... worked at Kenyatta National Hospital in Nairobi. Dr. James O.W. Ang'awa never worked at any hospital in Mombasa.

8. The document does not look remotely like the 1961-era birth certificates used in Kenya; infant footprints were not displayed on Kenyan birth certificates in the 1961-era.

There's a picture of an authentic 1961-era Kenyan BC at the source.

Also, from that source:

Administrators and doctors at the hospital told WND sources that in 2004 a high-level team of Kenya's National Security Intelligence Service came to the hospital and seized all files containing birth certificate documents from the years 1960 through 1963.
...
After promising to reveal the document to WND, Smith then dropped communications with a team of people offering to help him verify the document, only fueling the belief the sale – and therefore the alleged document – was a scam.

It's a very interesting article, indeed.

The document is a fake.

reply to post by wcitizen
I appreciate your knowledge of the Constitution.The fact that it would remain a valid, credible document if Mr. Obama were found to be an illegal president brings me some level of peace. That being said, the remainder of your comments gives me more reason to be concerned. I am going to have to ponder your idea of setting precedent. Thanks for the insight.

As I understand it, though I may be wrong, both McCain (whom I voted for) and Obama (whom I did NOT vote for because he's an inexperienced idiot who is simply a good orator) no matter where born, were both born to at least one American citizen parent, which would imply dual citizenship as is recognized by the United States.

There is no prohibition against a person of dual citizenship becoming President that I am aware of.

reply to post by dereks


No this isn't against Jew's, this is about intelligence (Mossad) within the Jew community, a hijacked Government just like the U.S. where policy is used to divide and conquer! You can label me (as everyone always does) when "ANYTHING" is said against the "All Mighty" Israel.

I am telling you this is all a pre-planned World Control Game - and that the U.S. has become a puppet for race, religion and any other human rights chess piece they decide to play! And now more than ever race - religion is at the head of the game!

If you cannot see that by now, you are either a non-American or you are on the side whom will burn when the truth is completely revealed. And it will be!

God Bless the USA - and our ancestors who died to make it free!

Interesting. This article alleges that Obama uses more than one social security number - in fact several.
www.westernjournalism.com...

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Administrators and doctors at the hospital told WND sources that in 2004 a high-level team of Kenya's National Security Intelligence Service came to the hospital and seized all files containing birth certificate documents from the years 1960 through 1963.
...
After promising to reveal the document to WND, Smith then dropped communications with a team of people offering to help him verify the document, only fueling the belief the sale – and therefore the alleged document – was a scam.

It's a very interesting article, indeed.

The document is a fake.

Even WND is calling foul?

I see the people that run the site have wised up from all the past fakes.
Now if only most of their members would do the same.

Yeah, it was only a matter of time and a few here knew that.

Still, all those scammers out there and desperate anti-Obama folks wanting to believe every single new lie, don't let a little thing like the truth get you down!

My gift to you:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/b5ae1997df63.jpg[/atsimg]

Maintain it through the next forgery that makes it into the American courtrooms.
It's not like they have anything better to do.

- Lee

Please for the love of humanity make it stop!!!!!

reply to post by lee anoma


Given enough time, and seeing the high level artifact - document enhancers (like NASA) don't you think anything can be hidden, changed or altered in the favor of those who wish to hide the reality. If they had come out with the document a day after questions started (transparency - remember that) - or been completely open about it, it would have been one thing, but they weren't!

Its all shadows, hearsay, really under the carpet and "official" documents that no one has ever touched or verified outside the official circle!

It reminds me of a Cheney hunting trip and the specific shooting of a buddy in the face, then not having to answer for it until he "sobered up" - only this lie is going on and on and on!

Are they using Obama to pave the way for other non-Americans like Arnold Schwarzenegger to be elected? It starts with one, and never ends until the idea that was a free America by born Americans is dead! All our family members who fought and/or died for this nation are sick and rolling in their graves!

But, hey - "America Has Talent" is on again soon, and that is apparently all we have left, a bunch of dead head entertained useless coach potato's! DAMN YOU ALL!

For whatever it is worth.. note that this is the gist of a post on another forum,

Members of Congress have been holding " back room" meetings about the birth certificate issue. There may be some action taken, and it will be swift, perhaps "after hours".

Personally, I don't see how this could happen, but am passing it on, just in case. The reason it seems implausible to me is the conspiracy theorists would go berserk.

A resignation caused by illness seems to be more likely. The birth certificate issue doesn't bother me as much as the failure to produce any records at all. Something is wrong, but I have no clue.

Originally posted by arizonascott
reply to post by lee anoma

 

If they had come out with the document a day after questions started (transparency - remember that) - or been completely open about it, it would have been one thing, but they weren't!

Obama has shown his birth certificate.
It was verified as being authentic.
The State of Hawaii has backed up his claims of being born there.
There is a birth announcement from newspaper archives in the 60's announcing his birth in Hawaii.
The U.S. government has accepted him as being a citizen.

It's just not enough for some people.

It reminds me of a Cheney hunting trip and the specific shooting of a buddy in the face, then not having to answer for it until he "sobered up" - only this lie is going on and on and on!

I don't understand this point you're making.

Cheney shot a man in the face, it wasn't a conspiracy or speculation, it happened.

Obama was not born in Kenya. It is all speculation and didn't happen.

Are they using Obama to pave the way for other non-Americans like Arnold Schwarzenegger to be elected?

No.

"They" have always maintained that Obama was a citizen.
Including the State of his birth.

If "they" were claiming Obama wasn't a citizen and it didn't matter then you might have a point.

But, hey - "America Has Talent" is on again soon, and that is apparently all we have left, a bunch of dead head entertained useless coach potato's! DAMN YOU ALL!

I don't even have cable and my TV gets nothing but static.

- Lee

Originally posted by Atomic Honey
reply to post by Eastwood

 

As I recall, the Dems did in fact harass McCain and demand he provide extra documents proving his presidential eligibility. I recall also that this all went away before the election because--guess what? Instead of hiding and calling people names that demanded the info, he simply gave it to them.

I don't know how harassed McCain was, but he did just simply provide his long form birth certificate, the type that some people claim people have no right to ask to see from Obama.

McCain's "Long form" birth certificate:
www.scribd.com...

I don't think Obama was born in Kenya, but I do take my hat off to McCain for just providing the birth certificate. Obama could authorize the state of Hawaii to release his long form certificate instead of the computer printout version if he wanted to, but for some reason, he doesn't want to. It makes it look like Obama has something to hide whether he does or not. I suspect he does have something to hide on his birth certificate, but it's probably not the location of his birth but something else.

Originally posted by adifferentbreed
reply to post by dereks

 

Ever think that maybe it has to do with the controversy around his eligability. I'm sure some people don't like the fat that he's HALF black, but not all people who are "birthers" are racist. Maybe if the media, on both sides hadn't stirred up so much controversy, and if he were more transparent (you know like he said he would be), this would all go away. He himself has no one to blame but himself at the end of the day for allowing this to continue.......it has nothing to do with him being HALF black, and everything to do with him not being as transparent as he said he would be.

Same excellent point, said a little differently. This isn't hard to understand.

Originally posted by JonInMichigan
I don’t really have a birther point of view but it would be nice to see him be open and transparent about things and put it all to bed or people on the fence like me will always be wondering why he’s being so sneaky about it all.

Glad to see someone with a neutral point of view gets the point, that's it exactly.

Originally posted by TheScale
everyone ive spoken to including people who voted for Obama and support him find it a little fishy that he wont just show a little piece of paper to put the story to rest

another person who gets it.

Yes, it's a little fishy even his supporters as well as his detractors should be able to see that. Over half a million people have signed the petition to see that little piece of paper and I know others who think it's fishy and would also like to see it but they didn't even bother signing the petition because they know that little piece of paper will never be released.

I'm more than a little annoyed by the comments about racism, people wanting to get rid of obama, yada yada yada, when all the petition says is basically "show the birth certificate". Sure there's a debate about whether or not we have a right to see it just because over half a million people signed the petition asking for it to be shown. But Obama campaigned on transparency, so how can you criticize people for asking the president to be transparent as he said he would be? McCain showed his. And if you haven't researched this enough to learn the difference between the Certificate of Live Birth, and the computer generated version that Hawaii issues now as standard practice called the Certification of Live Birth, do some research and deny ignorance starting with your own. I haven't seen people claiming in this thread that the short form isn't genuine and issued by the state, so at least we're past that for the most part.

So the way I see it the debate boils down to this:
Truthers: "Can we see the birth certificate?"
Obama "I posted it online, you already have it"
Truthers: "Yes we've seen that one, but it's the Certification of Live Birth which is a computer-generated printout. Can you authorize the release of the other one the state has on file called the "Certificate of Live Birth" which is not the computer generated printout?"
Obama: "Hawaii doesn't issue those any more, I posted the one they currently issue online"
Truthers: "Then can you release whatever it is that Dr. Chiyome Fukino looked at to form the basis of the comment:

"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen.

What Fukino looked at probably looked something like this:

www.scribd.com...
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/e224d8cd1efc.png[/atsimg]

Obama: Silence, eyeroll, and ridicule the people asking the question, instead of being transparent like he promised. Yes TheScale, it's fishy, that's a good description.

Originally posted by Housemouse
A resignation caused by illness seems to be more likely. The birth certificate issue doesn't bother me as much as the failure to produce any records at all. Something is wrong, but I have no clue.

Sigh...he has produced all the records he needed to be sworn in as President of the United States. He even produced his birth certificate to the public. If he doesn't want to show you his school transcripts and student loan information he doesn't have to. You are not required to see them and it isn't necessary that you do.

It doesn't even prove he is hiding something.
Would you like to put your records up here for us to see?

Originally posted by arizonascott
The man has sealed every record of his past at every turn

Lies.

He didn't "seal" his birth records either, you just don't have access to it any more than I would have to yours.

It was George W. Bush Jr. who had an order in place to seal all White House records...FOREVER.

Obama overturned it.
Gee...if he had so much to hide, why not keep it in place?

Obama loosens things up to the public and yet people still distort the facts and state things as if they are undeniably true.

Obama overturns Bush order on access to White House records

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama began dismantling the Bush legacy Wednesday, using his first full day to overturn an order that let ex-presidents seal their papers forever.
Dallas News

The Bush administration were the ones still fighting to keep Reagans' records sealed.

President Obama Opens Up Records, Shuts the Revolving Door

Executive Order 13233 of November 1, 2001, is revoked.

That simple line that concludes President Barack Obama's "Presidential Records" Executive Order of January 21, 2009 is music to the ears of any historian or journalist who wishes access to presidential records. It's the first blow (and hopefully not the last) against the regimen of secrecy and contempt for the public's right to know that characterized the Bush administration. Researchers will no longer face Bush-era stonewalling and obstacles when seeking public records.

Huffingtonpost

Executive Order13489 which people erroneously claim seals up Obamas birth records, is identical to Executive Order 12667 issued by Ronald Reagan.

It deals only with records created by the office of the President during his administration in the national archives, not the prior records of Obama before he was President. His Presidential records would be released AFTER he left the White House just like Bush and Reagan.

PLEASE READ: The Executive Order does not apply to school transcripts, State or personal records and birth documents! He cannot seal those records by Executive Order, people!

Here is the PDF of the Executive Order.
Read it: Executive Order 13489

Facts folks!
Get 'em while they're hot!!

Drop ignorance like a bad cold.
Or the real "Kool-Aid".

- Lee

Originally posted by Arbitrageur

Obama: Silence, eyeroll, and ridicule the people asking the question, instead of being transparent like he promised. Yes TheScale, it's fishy, that's a good description.

Hawaii: Obama birth certificate is real

"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago...."

USA Today

Silence or an inability to listen to the truth?
To look at the Birth Certificate he already released?
To listen to the people who worked at the Kenya Hospital that say he wasn't born there?

I guess any State or government official who confirms his birth records are "in on it" too.
I wouldn't indulge any of these fringe people any further, just like he has.

- Lee

- what is less well accepted is the fact that because he is black people can not accept that he was born in the US and must be from some African country - racism at its most disgusting.

He's only half black.... My step sister is black, she was born in America, her parents are both black and they were born here, her grandparents are all black and they were born here, and so on. His father is African, born in Kenya. You're playing the straw man, and you yourself are being very presumptuous and offensive. I'm no birther, but my step sister is, do you think she is being racist by questioning his birthplace? It has nothing to do with race and more to do with the million dollar cover up, his father's family stating he was born in Kenya, and the absence of the long form birth certificate. Some will never be satisfied, some will always question his eligibility even if they produce a long form certificate (they will say its a forgery), but to call people seeking answers racist just because the person in question is (half) black is being ignorant and playing the straw man. Have fun with the crows.

Originally posted by lee anoma
I guess any State or government official who confirms his birth records are "in on it" too.
I wouldn't indulge any of these fringe people any further, just like he has.

Caught in the middle, not in on it. The state officials don't have the authority to release the birth certificate without Obama's permission, so they are just doing their job by not releasing it, not in on it. Only Obama can supply the permission to release it.

You are pretending to not know the difference between the certificate of birth and the certification of birth, but I think you are smart enough to know the difference.

Well when everyone thinks he (or anyone else in his position) is president, the trick works, problem is when you realise what actually is giong on, you figure out how he hasn't been in trouble for any birth cert fandangling, because he hasn't actually done anything wrong under the jurisdiction he puppets/operates.

Originally posted by Arbitrageur

McCain's "Long form" birth certificate:
www.scribd.com...

edit on 8-9-2010 by Arbitrageur because: correct typo

Wait a second!
That is not a birth certificate, it is a certificate of birth! Also it is barely readable, and does in no place say "long form"
This from McCain is acceptable, but from Obama it is not?

Thing is: The Birther crowd is en par with "Bush is a Robot/Reptilian/Remote controlled by the CIA"-theories. I mean those theories were around during his tenure, and Bush could have dispelled them easily by releasing X-rays, right? Yet he didn't. And why? Because he knew what kind of impact that group would make.