Do You Believe In Transsexualism?

Imagine a day human beings being able to be what they want to be 100% would that be a problem? I personally am not bothered by what people are doing to their own bodies. It's a good thing people trying to be at peace with themselves. What's hanging between somebody's leg or not is not my problem.

Physically yes - you will stay what you were born into.

Psychologically there are no genders - it is human invention.

A two year old is clueless about their gender or such a concept. We separate/divide people, so it is easier for our masters to divide and conquer us.

It is always a race, religion, gender, the age or some other difference they seek for.

Yes... I think some people are "born in the wrong body". Bear with me here......our physical bodies are a vehicle for our "being"....there are not only differences in males and females physically, but also mentally. The way our brains process info and all that. I think sometimes, the brain and body don't match up. For instance, a child born into a physically male body, has a female thought process, does not relate to other boys, is attracted to boys, not girls, is very effeminate, etc.......this to me, makes him female....everything about him is female, except his body. He never fits in anywhere his whole life.....I do think that this is real......the reason being, I have seen very young children like this. That is just the way they are born, as a child that young cannot make choices to "be" a certain way. You can see sometimes a very young boy who is very feminine in his body movements and mannerisms, or a very young girl who is very boyish (not just talking about a tomboy). I don't think it is a choice at all. It is our brains and thought processes which make us male or female ultimately.... Why would anyone choose to feel isolated and confused their whole lives?

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reply to post by viperdave


Hate to break it to you viperdave but you are not a heterosexual.

Put simply:

You do not have a girlfriend, you have a boyfriend who act's and dresses like a women.

Your in a relationship with a man who is pretending to be a women, by definition that means your are a homosexual i.e. a same sex partnership

She may look, talk, dress and act like a women but ultimately she isn't!

You fell in love with a feminine male personality.

reply to post by the Gospel of Luke


Incorrect.

If your born a man you'll always be one.

If your born a women you'll always be one.

No matter how you change yourself on the outside you'll always be what you were born as.

Don't give me this "a female mind in a man's body" or vice versa, it maybe hard for you to accept but you cannot change your sex; it's impossible.

You know a lesbian firefighter? Nope, I'm sorry but the cold hard facts are that you know a man who pretends to be a women who is a firefighter and still has a sexual desire for women (as he is a male)

reply to post by Death_Kron


I am going to warn you about your judgmental comments.

Because of your original post I felt this thread was worth commenting within, but due to re-reading it, and as well your inability to wrap your head around these things, plus your comments to other members, your mentality is what I would call disturbing, to say the very least.

It makes one wonder if you originally had wanted to know how others think, or started this thread towards luring people into a wolf-trap, to thrash their beliefs.

While this may sound like an attack on you, I assure you it is not.

It is however, a friendly warning, from a seasoned member, that your attitude sucks.

People are people and as such are free to make their own choices, both in real life, and on this website, beliefs, morals, and ethics are something people choose to follow due to their upbringing and familial connections.

You need to focus on the actual issue you raised, trans-sexualism.

Not on other posters, not on other posters beliefs, and certainly not on their boyfriends, girlfriends, nor even on their choices in how to live life.

This is my being a friendly, courteous, and seasoned member.

Trust me.

If your behavior does not change I will start not only quoting terms and conditions, but rip your entire premise apart as nothing but a bait and switch.

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas


Judgmental?

Everyone is judgmental to some degree, even a seasoned poster as you must accept that fact. If you don't then your the one with the "disturbing" mentality.

I haven't launched a personal attack on anyone in this thread so as far as I'm concerned you can quote T&C's at me all day, if you want to rip my "entire premise" to shreds then feel free, go ahead...

As usual, when someone disagree's with a poster's opinion or thoughts they automatically become a troll or someone looking to set a wolf trap as you mentioned.

I haven't focused on anyone's boyfriend or girlfriend as you described, is simply pointing out the physical truth a crime?

A male is a male no matter how they "adjust" themselves, just the same with a woman - please explain how that can be construed as inflammatory?

I'm not sure why you feel obliged, given your "status" as someone who has been here on ATS longer than I, to warn me. We have moderators for that and unless they intervene them I'll quite happily say what I want to say - whether you like it or not.

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I have met many Transsexuals through my work.

It isn't an easy decision for them and involves painful operations, hormone treatments and sometimes rejection from their loved ones and families and general derision from society as a whole. It can also become very hard to get employment afterwards and it can be very hard to find a relationship.
This isn't something that you go into on a whim.
I have no idea if the "being born into the wrong sex" feeling that they have is purely psychological or if there is some genetic aspect involved but it is definitely real for the people who feel it.

reply to post by Death_Kron


You say incorrect, but give no real reasons.

You say "born a man" but fail to define "man" in any way other than the definitions that my arguments have already proven null and void.

And I didn't say "mind." I said "brain" because it has been PROVEN. It is scientific FACT, no matter how much you wish you deny it.

And she is a woman. The only reason you're right to say she isn't a women is because she is only one woman, and you seem to be incapable of typing the singular form of the word. (Ad hominem, I know, but she deserves it. )

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Originally posted by davespanners
I have met many Transsexuals through my work.

It isn't an easy decision for them and involves painful operations, hormone treatments and sometimes rejection from their loved ones and families and general derision from society as a whole. It can also become very hard to get employment afterwards and it can be very hard to find a relationship.
This isn't something that you go into on a whim.
I have no idea if the "being born into the wrong sex" feeling that they have is purely psychological or if there is some genetic aspect involved but it is definitely real for the people who feel it.

My argument would be that it isn't actually possible to change your sex and no matter what surgery you undertake you'll still be the gender you was born as.

Wouldn't changing your sex (and I use the term loosely) from a man to a women say be more stressful knowing that your not really the sex you feel to be? In reality, your simply pretending?

reply to post by the Gospel of Luke


Denial is a long river in Egypt mate...

You can try and convinve yourself all you want, the fact remain's your with a man who pretends to be a womAN.

Edit to add: A man has a penis, testicles and an XY chromosome, need a simpler definition?

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Originally posted by Death_Kron
reply to post by the Gospel of Luke

 

Denial is a long river in Egypt mate...

You can try and convinve yourself all you want, the fact remain's your with a man who pretends to be a womAN.

Edit to add: A man has a penis, testicles and an XY chromosome, need a simpler definition?

Again, you've ignored the bulk of my post.

And I am most certainly not your mate.

Edit: Well, in that case an mtF isn't a man once she has her penis and testicles removed. You lose.

Also there is no such thing as "an XY chromosome." They are two separate chromosomes. Your ignorance in the subject of human biology grows incresingly obvious with every one of your posts.
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Originally posted by the Gospel of Luke
And I am most certainly not your mate.

At least your right about something...

Re read mate, I've made an edit.

Originally posted by Death_Kron

Originally posted by the Gospel of Luke
And I am most certainly not your mate.

At least your right about something...

Re read mate, I've made an edit.

An edit that contradicts your previous argument.

Good job.

reply to post by Death_Kron


That's true, you don't actually become a women in the sense that you can have babies etc, but they just feel more comfortable with the outwards appearance of having a womans body.
Some people also feel more comfortable with bigger breasts, surgery can't actually give you bigger breasts, just the illusion of them by stuffing silicone behind the skin.

This thread reminds me of this clip so much!

reply to post by the Gospel of Luke


Of course he's still a man Just a man with no penis or testicles

What do you think happens to men who lose their testicles and penis due to injury or illness, doe's that automatically make them women?

Originally posted by Death_Kron
reply to post by the Gospel of Luke

 

Of course he's still a man

Just a man with no penis or testicles

What do you think happens to men who lose their testicles and penis due to injury or illness, doe's that automatically make them women?

Then your previous definition of "man" fails and you need to make a new definition of what a "man" is before you accuse the woman of being a man. You cannot in one breath say that a man "has a penis and testicles" and in the next say that someone is "a man with no penis or testicles."

The injured man is not a woman because he still has a male sized BSTc. If you had actually read and understood my first post in this thread you would have already known my answer.

reply to post by davespanners


Good post that one, probably one of the most straightforward post's made in this thread.

However, I would say that looking like a woman (or less of a man) does not make you a woman.

You will also not adopt and/or develop female traits such as being brudy, being over sensitive, over emotional, period pain's etc etc

If these straits are there it's because they already existed (apart from the period pains... I hope ) it's because your dealing with a male who has more feminine qualities than other males.

From a Bi-sexual man

Greetings! This is my first post ever on ATS and I find it both amusing and interesting that it is about this particular topic. First and foremost, I would like to point out that we are discussing our own individual preferences. Not what anyone else's should be.

Personally, I am bi-sexual. Why? Because if I like someone, it is to the person and not based solely on there gender. That person has qualities which I am attracted to.

Yes, looks are part of the equation but looks are subjective and over time, they change. Sometimes for better, frequently for worse. Its called aging. (sorry for the obvious) However, there are other factors that serve as aphrodisiacs or are forms of attraction to others. Humor, wealth, power, security, yes even politics, romanticism, sexuality, sensuality, race, color, religion etc....

Bottom line, love and attraction are two very different things and each is as unique as the individual feeling or expressing them. That's what makes us human. It is our upbringing, and fears that condition us to feel one way or another that affects how we ultimately live our lives.

As a bi-sexual man, I can say your looks attract me, but more importantly, the factors I mentioned above play a larger role in determining who I am attracted to. When I am attracted to a woman, it is her beauty and femininity that attracts me most but it would be her strong wit and character that would keep me attracted to her. Likewise, when I am attracted to a man, I don't like "pretty" men. I am very attracted to strong, masculine, confident, men who have a focus on what they want and need. This would include the strength of character not to care what other people think of him and the security of self to not have to advertise his sexuality.

I can totally understand trans-gender people and sympathize with them in their struggles. It is for those that do not understand, that I feel sorry for. They are limited in their understanding and may, due to conditioning, be losing out on the opportunity to know a truly wonderful individual that can teach us all something about strength of character and will to survive.

I was happily married 15 years with a wonderful lady who is still my friend and now, I am partnered with a wonderful man who shares a life with me and not for me. I feel unique in my own situation and I know many will not understand. That's OK. I only hope that my story and opinion can touch at least one person. Thats all. Just one. If it does, I will have made the world a better (if only slightly so) a better place.

Frankie Ninja

reply to post by the Gospel of Luke


BSCt is irrelevant, just because your born feeling like you should be a woman doesn't change the fact that your a man. It's simple biology...