Supporters of Glenn Beck

reply to post by imherejusttoread

Originally posted by imherejusttoread
reply to post by tspark

 

I am a supporter.

1. I think he's hilarious; especially his use of satire. I've never seen so many people get riled up over things he says-- the responses from some of his opposition is enough to market as a genuine comedic CD, 2. He's one of the few commentators that actively discuss political philosophy from a Constitutional point-of-view. I don't know of any other commentators on live television that openly discuss the Constitution-- most of them are interested in discussing political philosophies pertaining to political parties, and politicism, not Constitutional merit, and 3. He's a source of national skepticism toward big government.

As to his authenticity, that's for each individual to decide. As for me, I can comfortably sit and listen, reasoning the information on whether it's true or not without slurping it up mindlessly. Some of the theories he comes up with may appear sketchy but that's not the point; the point is to assert skepticism toward public officials and big government. Research it and come to your own conclusions. He's fulfilling a much needed role where journalism and the associated press currently [and have] fail.

There are only two view-points I oppose Mr. Beck on: 1. his approach towards the Mosque in NYC, and 2. his advocation for a large military.

1. His approach towards the Mosque in NYC: although he stated a Constitutional right to build it, he did dedicate a curious amount of time toward trying to discourage people concerning it's being built. Was he asserting skepticism toward questioning the funds and motivation for building it? Perhaps. I suppose, in the end, the opinion of Glenn Beck's take on the Mosque is largely irrelevant as he's a fellow citizen with an opinion, but ultimately, Constitutionalism wins out-- one of the reasons why I enjoy listening to him.

2. His advocation for a large military; he has slowly begun changing his stance. Recently, however, during one of his radiocasts, he didn't sound too agreeable toward a libertarianist view on military, but then again, in multiple instances, he has voiced his opposition to stationing troops around the world and the current wars going on. Slowly, he is shifting to non-interventionism, which is a good thing.

As for his detractors, I've debated my share of them, and unfortunately, some of them tend to have hidden collectivist aspirations. For example, I've seen the recent opinion of Christopher Hitchens (about his rally), Lewis Black's swastika comment, and more consistently, Jon Stewart's critiques-- the irony? All three are self-proclaimed Marxist, Socialist and Socialist (respectively) supporters. Another common criticism is he can be emotional at times; personally, I don't find this a genuine criticism at all. People are going to be emotional toward things they feel strong about, and that includes those who oppose Mr. Beck's world-views-- one need just type in "Glenn Beck" into Google's search box and wait for the search suggestion drop-down menu to appear, it's usually "Glenn Beck is _____ (insert derogatory, emotional discharged name calling)". Being emotional, within reason, is one of the joys of being human.

Thank you for your post, i concur with every point...and actually most Glenn supporters are in the same boat...not mindless...we separate opinion from facts...and research his opinions to see if they hold any merit....if they do...and most of the time it turns out to be something to seriously consider

Also it seems that the things he puts words to is the very thoughts that seem to be nagging at a lot people, in their thoughts.....

reply to post by LarryLove

Originally posted by LarryLove
Beck is quickly becoming a political tool in a very dangerous game. What amazes me is the fact that the guy is clearly mentally unstable and people are still buying into his rhetoric. He is allowed to get away with saying the most bizarre things by framing his comments in questions. This is a guy who has gone on record to say Obama is racist. With this in mind, do supporters of Beck think Obama is racist?

I think you missed the post somewhere in another thread where i stated...

I think everyone is Racist....and that it boils down to what circumstances it takes to bring it to the surface.... what events it takes for you to cross the Socially unacceptable lines...

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Thank you for your post.... I agree with what you say detractors critics often cannot refute the message so they attack the messenger... and when they can't actually use real dirt they often concoct it with snippets of sound bytes... without the context.

reply to post by tspark


Anyway, racism to one side do you think, like Beck, religion should play a fundamental role in governance?

Just to make my position clear, I am not 'bashing' Beck, it is just that I have a disdain for his kind of televisual theatrics and think he's a lunatic, but we are all entitled to an opinion.

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Yep i agree...he was in the right by saying it..IMO....the facts that he presented were strongly in favor of it...

reply to post by tspark


Beck is supposed to be some kind of 'everyman' to those that support him. In a parallel world, if he and Palin were on the presidential ticket, would their policies and beliefs be your ticket too? I am intrigued by the hold Beck has on people.

reply to post by LarryLove

Originally posted by LarryLove
reply to post by tspark

 

Anyway, racism to one side do you think, like Beck, religion should play a fundamental role in governance?

Just to make my position clear, I am not 'bashing' Beck, it is just that I have a disdain for his kind of televisual theatrics and think he's a lunatic, but we are all entitled to an opinion.

What i think is that we do need to get the corruption out of politics....that the politicians should have a proven history of moral compliance...

The Laws of our country are based on a judeo/Christian Foundation and these should be the Moral "measuring stick" for all

Do they(politicians) have to be religious....in MY book it would be a BIG Plus... but i also come to think that "Do not Steal, lie or Kill" are sorta just common courtesy things...

The apostle Paul wrote and said that "some of Gentiles who have not the Law by nature do the things contained in the LAW"...so the the moral compliance of Law was natural to a certain degree

Hope that helps

reply to post by LarryLove



I'm more for drawing our Military presence in the World down to lesser degree and only go in when we are needed...

If it's a needless war then it just puts innocent casualties on both side, not saying to disarm the country...or to close the military bases all over the world... just less standing army facing bullets if that makes sense...

not for out right abolish of all entitlement programs but the need to wean people off of the system...

reply to post by tspark


In an ideal world, you'd be right to want all corruption out of politics, but the two go hand-in-hand and I don't think any government is immune from it. I am not religious and have as much distaste for it as I do politicians and pundits who enter the game for vanity and power. Thing is, religion is as corrupt as politics, especially when you look at extreme fundamentalism and how the Catholic church covered-up the rampant paedophilia within its ranks.

If anything, I believe religion should stay well clear from the governance of a country.

reply to post by LarryLove



i think religion mixing in politics would be bad...we don't want a theocracy (until Christ comes back) because has proven to become corrupt also....

what we do want is what Glenn put in a nice way is men of honor not the morally bankrupt, degenerates, those that think they are above the Law...

God in our lives can give those morals to people, others can gain them by fear of punishment by the Law....

Best i can think

reply to post by tspark


I agree with you about morality, but don't think we need religion to teach us about it. Neither politics nor religion has ever been a good moral compass, but each to their own. My personal belief is that we have lost touch with our sense of self and to some degree national identity.

Originally posted by LarryLove
Anyway, racism to one side ....

Um .. no. You brought it up. And I answered it rather well and asked a question in return. Do YOU think what I posted about the 'white' church was racist?

Originally posted by LarryLove

Anyway, racism to one side do you think, like Beck, religion should play a fundamental role in governance?

It depends on what you mean by 'religion'-- if you're implying a set of personal philosophies acting as principles to guide decisions, then yes, religion should play a fundamental role in governance, because it does. Every politician has a personal religion they try to assert on those they govern, which is the reason why Constitutions were crafted. When personal philosophies conflict with Constitutional principles, the latter should always win out. As demonstrated, that seems to becoming less and less the case.

Beck is supposed to be some kind of 'everyman' to those that support him. In a parallel world, if he and Palin were on the presidential ticket, would their policies and beliefs be your ticket too? I am intrigued by the hold Beck has on people.

I love Sarah Palin's political philosophy concerning state rights and sovereignty, but her military views would be the deciding factor for me. If Sarah Palin were to be Mr. Beck's VP candidate, I would not vote for them. If Mr. Beck's VP candidate was Ron Paul, I would vote for them 20 out of 9 times.

Thing is, religion is as corrupt as politics, especially when you look at extreme fundamentalism and how the Catholic church covered-up the rampant paedophilia within its ranks.

If anything, I believe religion should stay well clear from the governance of a country.

Extreme fundamentalism and the Catholic Church are merely two branches of a large trunk-- they do not represent all of religion as a whole. However, religion is irrelevant in the governance of this Constitutional republic, as it's guaranteed to be freely practiced as the individual's conscience dictates.

reply to post by tspark


Glenn Beck? He's another talking head leading an ignorant and disgruntled voter base off a cliff. He doesnt really care about the garbage he spews because at the end of the day he's just following a script and earning money likewise. As another member said on here previously, Glenn Beck is living the american dream and that is very true. He is earning millions off the backs of ignorant and angry voters. Personally I think he does more harm than good to his supporters, but then again the same could be said for many of the other talking heads.

When the new Republican administration comes into power his script will change and there will be a different tune, as will the other talking heads. For anybody who insists we should take Glenn Beck and his views seriously, do alittle history check on him. He was a supporter of the Iraq war and the WND's story before he opposed it, he supported the patriot act before he opposed it. That is just two examples in a line of many.... but likewise as I said, he works on a script and it changes often.

reply to post by Southern Guardian


People are not allowed to come to their senses and change their minds? I do not know if the Republican administration bit is true; it may be, and if it is, I will be the first to leave his viewing audience, but to generalize all of his viewers as 'ignorant, disgruntled, careless, angry' is itself 'ignorant, disgruntled, careless, angry'.

Originally posted by imherejusttoread
reply to post by Southern Guardian

 

People are not allowed to come to their senses and change their minds?

People are allowed to be hypocrites, certainly. What nation would we live in if people were not allowed? you are more than welcome to follow a hypocrite.

Glenn Beck coming to his 'senses'? Glenn Beck changed his tune and his script when the general elections came around, and then joined Fox. He has never held himself accountable over his past views infact it'd be very hard to get Glenn Beck to say 'mission accomplished' for Iraq anymore or continue promoting the patriot act. Just wouldn't go down well now a days.

it may be, and if it is, I will be the first to leave his viewing audience,

Oh I highly doubt it, given the fact the amount of viewers for Glenn Beck shot up following the election of a Democratic president and the general elections. But thats just me, I am sure you convince others here otherwise.

but to generalize all of his viewers as 'ignorant, disgruntled, careless, angry'

Ignorant- check
Disgruntled- check
Angry- check

Its my opinion and thats exactly how I view his followers. They are however no different than the followers of the other talking heads so I can't say this view is restricted to Beck fans.

Glenn Beck is living the ulitmate american dream off the backs of people like you. But if you are perfectly fine with that, following him around, buying into his persona, well then ok. Don't mind me, I just think its a shame there are still many americans out there so easily played, so easily lead.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
People are allowed to be hypocrites, certainly. What nation would we live in if people were not allowed? you are more than welcome to follow a hypocrite.

You're not addressing my question; are people allowed to come to their senses, and change their minds? If they are, that makes them a hypocrite? Is that your definition of hypocrite?

He has never held himself accountable over his past views infact it'd be very hard to get Glenn Beck to say 'mission accomplished' for Iraq anymore or continue promoting the patriot act. Just wouldn't go down well now a days.

That's debatable-- he has openly said he was wrong concerning the patriot act and the Iraq war. As do many politicians who are in a position of governance; one that comes to mind is Al Franken's assent toward the war. I do not hold it against him for changing his mind, nor do I hold it against any individual for changing their minds after coming to their senses. What I believe now is not what I believed 10 years ago, does that make me a 'hypocrite'?

Oh I highly doubt it..But thats just me, I am sure you convince others here otherwise.

Do you have evidence that this is the case, or just the anecdotal "that's just me"?

Ignorant- check

Demonstration?

Disgruntled- check

Demonstration?

Angry- check

Demonstration?

Its my opinion and thats exactly how I view his followers.

Fantastic! But do you have the premises to assert your conclusions as facts [without generalizations or ambiguities]?

But if you are perfectly fine with that, following him around, buying into his persona, well then ok. Don't mind me, I just think its a shame there are still many americans out there so easily played, so easily lead.

I do not follow him around-- I don't know where he lives, how many children he has or further [irrelevant] personal details. I've also not donated money to any of his causes. So how am I, or (anyone with these questions and similar circumstances) being 'so easily played'??

Glenn has talked about the "Dark times ahead" and if we are all honest we've "felt"/"seen" something coming from as far back as President Bush's 2nd term..

I remember thinking that they were spending waaaay too much back then...

There are many other "Smart" people that are coming to these conclusions too that we are headed for some hard times...most of them have just wrote the predictions down in Books...that very few read....others have online articles...again forgotten by the masses....even now the other MSM are reporting these "Dark Times" ahead....

Has anyone else done any research into the Delation/inflation that is predicted...

also has anyone started to prepare in the event these predictions are correct...

and what have you started doing?

Originally posted by tspark
reply to post by Esoteric Teacher

 

so you must be one of his supporters, right?

i'm sorry, i never responded to this question. i am in favor of some of his rhetoric, but i would not consider myself a supporter of Glenn Beck, no.

this is why:

how stupid would i have to be in order to believe someone's lips that are saying "i love you, and i know what is best for you" while their fists are pumelling and striking me repeatedly in the head?

he says a message, while continually doing the opposite. this is what i do not like about Genn Beck.

he says many things, while participating in the opposite of what those words actually mean. his actions and behaviors are inconsistent with his message. this is my whole heartedly honest and most sincere opinion about Glenn Beck.

who am i? i'm 38 years old. i was born in illinois. from the ages of 15 to 26 i worked for/with developmentally disabled children at a skilled care facility. from the ages of 26 to 37 (1998-2009) i was a firefighter (mainly) in the united states air force. i spent 44+ months in warzones, my home base was nellis afb outside of las vegas nevada. now i call illinois home.

through on job training and personal experiences working for the developmentally disabled i learned a great deal about nonverbal communications, as well as neuro linguistics and neuro linguistic programming. i learned more about such things through associates and family members involved in psyops.

knowing something about these things help me form my opinion about Glenn Beck, as well as others.

i do not like Glenn Beck's platform FOX News.
i do not like that FOX news incorporates pysops' tactics against their own audiences.
i do not like their use of psyops to manipulate, influence and control through subversive and subliminal tactics the thoughts and opinions of their audiences.
i do not like Glenn Beck's lack of reverence for others by telling them to do what he himself is unwilling and/or incapable of doing himself.
i do not like how Glenn Beck lies, and presents facts in a distorted way.

these are some of the things about Glenn Beck i do not like. I'm not sure how he is helping America, Americans, or anyone but his contract holder's agenda (legally binding) and his own personal self's needs and wants.

more than 300,000 people showed up to his event. and the next time his show aired on FOX monday it was him talking about the numbers that showed up and thanking people for "thank you for trusting me".

no, i am not a glenn beck supporter.
however i support his right to have a platform to speak and be heard.

i don't like his message. i don't appreciate his tactics. some of the psychologic warfare tactics him and his co-workers employ are more akin to brain rape, and unfortunately most people are not aware of what is happening at the subconscious levels of thought, myself included.

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"Speak without Fear"
- Glenn Beck

a previous time when Glenn Beck wore a bullet proof vest while speaking (a psychic warned the FBI he would be shot on stage)




[edit on 3-9-2010 by Esoteric Teacher]

Glenn preaches freedom. It turns out that most of his opponents are dependent on a system which deprives people of freedom. Regulations, taxes, all the same old crap we were told would save us from ourselves. People are starting to see through it.