Supporters of Glenn Beck

Originally posted by imherejusttoread
You're not addressing my question; are people allowed to come to their senses, and change their minds?

And I made it clear. I call it hypocrisy, not merely a 'change of mind'. A change of mind or a coming to senses is when somebody admits they were wrong, and when they don't attack somebody for that very action or belief they took. I don't think Glenn Beck cares either way? New network, new script, higher income.

If they are, that makes them a hypocrite? Is that your definition of hypocrite?

As stated above.

he has openly said he was wrong concerning the patriot act and the Iraq war.

Where did he say that? And those are not the only views he has flipped on over time as I have stated.

As do many politicians who are in a position of governance; one that comes to mind is Al Franken's assent toward the war. I do not hold it against him for changing his mind,

Well theres the difference is it not? It was not as if Al Franken came out criticizing everybody for voting for the war but kept shut about his support. Infact even after admitting that he voted for the war, it was not as if he made it his mission to criticize everybody who voted for it. Just because he admitted he was wrong does not mean he is cleared of his past and does not give him standing to point to others that supported it. He would still be a hypocrite at the end of the day

I can't admit that I voted for Reagan, I changed my views, and then go forward to criticize those who voted for Reagan as weak minded. At the end of the day I will still come out the hypocrite.

Do you have evidence that this is the case,

I don't need any evidence to prove to you. In my own view from watching the 'constitutionalists' pop out of no where during and following the general elections after 8years of keeping shut under Bush, I have come to my own conclusions. You and the other Beck followers are most welcome to think and insist you are different, but I disagree.

I do not follow him around--

And yet you follow him around.

know where he lives, how many children he has

Was not under the impression you had to know this to follow him around? I know afew Rush Limbaugh fans who are clueless about his history or his family life, does not mean they don't follow him on the radio or on the TV or at rallies.

"LEWIS BLACK- "GLEN BECK HAS NAZI TOURETTES"":

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I am trying to work out if a Beck character would be successful in the UK. We sort of have an extreme (or maybe not so extreme) version called Nick Griffin who leads the BNP (British National Party) and that would be the closet the UK gets. In fact the Tea Party movement is very similar to the BNP when you consider their views on Islam and immigration. The BNP may not be as fiscally conservative as the Tea Party, but then its rhetoric over Europe may draw parallels.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
And I made it clear. I call it hypocrisy, not merely a 'change of mind'. A change of mind or a coming to senses is when somebody admits they were wrong...

He has done that.

and when they don't attack somebody for that very action or belief they took. I don't think Glenn Beck cares either way? New network, new script, higher income.

Again, if he has done that [above], by your own criteria, why is it 'hypocrisy' and not merely a change of mind? What premises or evidence do you have that follow to 'New network, new script, higher income'? Specifics? Particulars?

Where did he say that?

Multiple times on both his radiocast and television cast. If you wish (and your concern is genuine), I'll more than happily provide the links to videos/clips of him saying them.

And those are not the only views he has flipped on over time as I have stated.

Define 'flip-flop', or does that rely on the same reasoning as 'hypocrisy'?

Well theres the difference is it not?

No, there's not. Both are 'talking-heads', both admitted their opinions, both took them back.

Infact even after admitting that he voted for the war, it was not as if he made it his mission to criticize everybody who voted for it.

He's a politician, just google search him and you will get a million contradictions in his opinions from multiple sources. But this is largely irrelevant, Mr. Franken was an improvised example, not the subject.

So, basically, just because he's Glenn Beck, he isn't allowed to change his mind, therefore he will always be a 'hypocrite'? Am I interpreting that correctly?

I can't admit that I voted for Reagan, I changed my views, and then go forward to criticize those who voted for Reagan as weak minded.

You're doing it right now. You're asserting lots of things using vague, ambiguous premises. It is no different than politician A lying to the public, except your method is through omission and language manipulation.

I don't need any evidence to prove to you.

You have none.

In my own view from watching the 'constitutionalists' pop out of no where during and following the general elections after 8years of keeping shut under Bush, I have come to my own conclusions.

That perhaps people weren't as politically conscious as they are now? People aren't allowed to change their minds and come to their senses (again)? You are more than welcome to draw your conclusions, but none of the ones that you've offered were supported. If you wish to assert, and you have, the burden of proof is on you. I've asked for those proofs; you've rejected all chances thus far.

You and the other Beck followers are most welcome to think and insist you are different, but I disagree.

I'm not a 'Beck follower'-- I am an individual who happens to share some of Mr. Beck's opinions. Labeling all people who may have something in common with his views under a tidy little label to generalize and draw false conclusions is bad reasoning, again.

And yet you follow him around.

I enjoy watching his material, and if that's how someone 'follows someone around', then I guess 99.9% of America is guilty of stalking.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
As another member said on here previously, Glenn Beck is living the american dream and that is very true.

that'd be me! I said it.

He's living the American dream. He's getting his agenda out. He's getting paid for it BIG TIME. He's got people changing their lives because of it which in turn means bigger book sales. He hit rock bottom and then came all the way back to being one of the most influential (for better or worse) people in the country. He's working his (raw cookie dough filled) tail off and he's bringing in the $$$. That's America!

* I said raw cookie dough filled tail because he informed his audience that is his vice now. He loves to eat the raw cookie dough from those tubes that are sold in the stores. I admit .. I used to too (before I got this disease).

He himself says not to take him seriously, as he is a self admitted rodeo clown.

Enough said, no?

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Thank you for your post, it seems to me to be the most honest informative opinion of why one does not like glenn

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Originally posted by Guidance.Is.Internal
Glenn preaches freedom. It turns out that most of his opponents are dependent on a system which deprives people of freedom. Regulations, taxes, all the same old crap we were told would save us from ourselves. People are starting to see through it.

Exactly.

I would be willing to wager that most opponents of Glen Beck: do not have to pay Federal Income Taxes, (because they have been handed an exemption from Democrats in return for their support), are collecting some sort of government assistance,(at the expense of Tax Payers), work for the Government, (which in many cases means that all they have to do is show up for work and be arrogant towards the people who they are supposed to be serving)*, work for Big Labor Unions, (who have received special favors in return for their support), and all those who do not follow the laws or play by the rules that Civilized Society is dependant upon.

If I sat here all day, I could come up with more examples and break each one down more specifically with microscopic analysis, but I'm not getting paid to do this......so why should I have to waste my time trying to convince people. Time is money, even on a holiday weekend.

Republicans are going to be swept into office. If they fail us again this time, it will be all over except for the wailing and the gnashing of teeth. We must hold their feet to the fire while demanding common sense and fiscal responsibility. It's time for everybody to do their fair share.

* And I am in no way implying that everybody who works for the Government or falls into one of the above categories that I have mentioned is guilty of this hypocrisy.......I have a hell of a lot of respect for the Police and the Military. They are the only ones who keep us safe by standing in-between us and the Barbarians.

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Originally posted by imherejusttoread
He has done that.

And again I ask you where did he do this? Where did he hold himself accountable on his views from the past?

Again, if he has done that [above],

'Above' where? I only have your word that he has and nothing else to show for it? Where has he held himself accountable?

Multiple times on both his radiocast and television cast.

And yet you can't seem to reference anything.

If you wish (and your concern is genuine), I'll more than happily provide the links to videos/clips of him saying them.

Was it not apparent before? I asked you where did he hold himself accountable over his hypocrisies on the Iraq war, the patriot act etc.? So yes thats your que to pass over links.

So, basically, just because he's Glenn Beck, he isn't allowed to change his mind,

Where is there evidence that he honestly changed his mind and is not a hypocrite? Maybe those links of yours will provide something? I am waiting.

You're doing it right now. You're asserting lots of things using vague, ambiguous premises.

Nope, I have never blindly followed a TV personality out of anger and emotion.

That perhaps people weren't as politically conscious

People like you and the rest of the Glenn Beck fans decided to get up and start these rallies years after the patriot act and the declaration of war against Iraq under false reasons. You kept shut until the black socialist came into power. That is exactly what this is.

Now I look forward to hearing those links from Glenn Beck to prove your point.

In the end, Beck's speech was nothing but a regular sermon you get every single Sunday at church. I know he figured it would be similar to MLK's speech, but he just focused on faith too much on not enough on the real issues.

We don't need preachers, we need realists who can solve problems!

messed up post.

second line.

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Originally posted by Southern Guardian
And again I ask you where did he do this? Where did he hold himself accountable on his views from the past?

Okay, i'll address the two mentioned issues: Iraq war and PATRIOT act.

Concerning the Iraq war (and all recent military operations):

Part 1

Part 2

Concerning the PATRIOT act:

January 22, 2009

GLENN: . . .You are exactly right, that you don't give the government more power than you want them to have. The PATRIOT Act, the PATRIOT Act just by name alone should have been a warning sign. In the PATRIOT Act there are things that we I believe need to allow the federal government to do for a limited time only and in a very limited scope and I was satisfied by the Sunset provision in the PATRIOT Act. However I'm growing more and more leery of that and that's not because of the Obama administration. That is because of my view on the government and how out of control they are in the last couple of years where I don't -- I no longer trust the government. I think there are -- I think there are a lot of good people in government that are in there fighting, but I also believe with an emergency and an awful lot of power, unscrupulous people can use them in unscrupulous ways. . .

His June 17, 2010 radiocast:

How many times have we heard that? We heard it with the financial crisis. We heard it with George W. Bush -- I contend a progressive who put the massive Patriot Act through after 9/11.

Don't get me wrong, I was for the Patriot Act when it happened because I hadn't read enough history yet.

This is one of numerous times he expressed similar opposition to it, but unfortunately, I wasn't able to remember their particular dates. If you wish to confirm things further, you have the internet at your disposal.

People like you and the rest of the Glenn Beck fans decided to get up and start these rallies years after the patriot act and the declaration of war against Iraq under false reasons.

I don't know who 'people like you are', as I've mentioned once already, I am an individual who happens to share similar political opinions with Glenn Beck. This 'people like you' is an example of my earlier statement: labeling all people who may have something in common with his views under a tidy little label to generalize and draw false conclusions is bad reasoning, again.

You kept shut until the black socialist came into power. That is exactly what this is.

I'll be waiting for the surveillance footage that provides direct evidence that I [or any other individual for that matter] 'kept shut until the black socialist came into power', which, when put into our conversation's context, is merely a repeat of I don't need any evidence to prove to you. Both fueled by truthiness.

Glenn Beck is an entertainer. He makes a living entertaining the many conservatives in this nation. The only people stupider than those who love him are the ones who hate him. Maybe GB really does believe himself, and maybe he does do some harm by creating GB idiot lemmings who confuse his rantings for reality, but guess what: Who cares? If someone paid me millions of dollars to spout far right rhetoric, then Obama's a Muslim it is!

Speaking of which, where are all the anti-Olbermann threads? Hmmmmmmmm........

Originally posted by imherejusttoread
Okay, i'll address the two mentioned issues: Iraq war and PATRIOT act.

Concerning the Iraq war (and all recent military operations):

Part 1

Part 2

In both youtibe videos Glenn Beck stated he no longer supported the war because of the way this current government and this current congress was handling it. He did not admit he was wrong for supporting the war in 2003 or how wrong it was to start with. This was just another convenient jab to this government to keep face for the current unpopularity of the war.

If this war was still supported by his Demographic, his viewers, as it was years ago, I'd bet my bottom dollar he would still be there rallying for it. 5 years following the Iraq war when it became more and more evident that the war was a lie and a waste, Glenn continued to rally behind it. Conveniently when he joined the Fox network with the change of mind on the war by his demographic, he changed his tone. He is a hypocrite on this and that youtube video you referenced me proves more so.

He has the nerve to argue that this congress is sending troops to their deaths into the Iraq war? After years of him supporting it? And now all of a sudden he does not support it? And leaves out any accountability of him supporting it under Bush?

This proves that he is a hypocrite if we are to seriously account the views of his persona as really being his.

Concerning the PATRIOT act:
January 22, 2009

In the article while Glenn Beck did state he supported the Patriot act, as with his explanation on the Iraq war, Glenn Beck claimed that he changed his mind over supporting it because of how the government has acted over the last few years. He did not state that he no longer supported the law because it was wrong from the start infact through that article he still claimed he was satisfied with the patriot after it went through a couple of changes.

Both of the examples above prove my point further, that this is not about him being wrong from the start, its about him changing his tone with the change of government. When Obama came into power and the Democrats gained majority, Glenn Beck all of sudden had a problem with the Iraq war. He then claims he changed his mind on the patriot act because over the last few years the government and its acts have 'concerned him' yet as recently as 2008 Glenn Beck can be referenced over his continued support for the Patriot act. That is the type of hypocrisy Glenn Beck and he followers (including yourself) prefer to sweep under the floor.

But sure, Glenn Beck can change his tone tomorrow and admit he was wrong all along abotu so many things. The next day he would just spend time attacking this government for something he supported.

This is one of numerous times he expressed similar opposition to it, but unfortunately, I wasn't able to remember their particular dates.

By all means pass me on more references. Take into mind the Iraq war and the Patriot act are not the only topics Glenn Beck as been hypocritical over.

I am an individual who happens to share similar political opinions with Glenn Beck.

And just like you popped out of woodwork after silence for the last 8years because of this new administration.

common with his views under a tidy little label to generalize and draw false conclusions is bad reasoning,

What do you disagree with Glenn Beck on? This is relevant to my previous comment.

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Ah your link did not work before. It works fine now.

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Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
And then i turn around and watch these SAME people call conservatives bigots, racists, intolerant and ignorant......

You attack Glenn and say he was a disgrace to MLK while he and all those people out there HONORED him and his words, and there was not ONE incident of racism......

While Sharpton comes around and accuses the rally as a bunch of angry white people......MLK would roll over in his grave.......

For $22.00 you can own this shirt, too:

Civil Rights Leader Glenn Beck

it just roles off the tongue, doesn't it?


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Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher

I love this T-Shirt.... Want one... Thanks for reminding me... I had almost forgotten about The Black Panther Party threatening to kill white women and their "cracker babies".