Is Yahweh really the prime creator?

Originally posted by spy66
reply to post by IAMIAM

 

The infinite can't expand. It is as large as it can get.

I see your perspective now.

I see it as constantly going and going and going like the energizer bunny.

Now if it does have bounds, isn't it not infinite, just a very large number?

Yes all the dimensions are changing according to its density and type.

A good way to imagine it is:

---All the solids are furthest away from the infinite. The emitted energies from the solids are closer to the infinite.


I have a image that gives a illustration of how it works.









[edit on 27.06.08 by spy66]

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To try to also bring in some things relating to what we started with (even if this kind of hypothetical kind-of tzim-tzum-discussion is of some interest, it has taken us a bit away from the main issue):

Epilogue
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Why the “tree of knowledge of good and evil”? Or more correctly: “Tree of Wisdom [and therewith knowledge of good and evil]” – the Hebrew word for “knowledge” is jada‘ (and it also means “sexual intercourse” … e.g., in “And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain…“ [Gen 4:1]), but this word isn’t used here. The tree is in the original text called ‘atz ha-da‘at; da‘at means “Wisdom” (and the word has nothing at all to do with sexuality). Good and bad? Light and darkness? The true God and the archons? Does this concern the “forbidden” insight: the knowledge that except Yaldabaoth/Yahweh there are above him even higher gods, and even a Highest God? “You shall not know about other – and certainly not about higher – gods, because I shall be your only ‘god’!”

Yaldabaoth hence puts a lid over us with this “tree”: everything above him is taboo, everything with and below him is allowed. That is his world without the true God, analogous to the Anunnaki turning away from the prime creator pair to establish their own fake world without them.

Is it this very insight, this knowledge, which will make us free?! That Jesus wanted to give us and fore which he, therefore, had to die?

The movie Equilibrium by Kurt Wimmer is an interesting analogy about a society in which personal emotions are suppressed by means of a daily injection everyone has to take. The main person in the story once skips the injection, because the vial falls and breaks, and he begins to discover things people shouldn’t know. He then continues skipping the injections and gradually “wakes up”. An interesting detail is that that future state is governed by a “Tetragrammaton Council”. Most viewers will have missed this point here: “Tetragrammaton” is an old term that paraphrases the name of “God” as it is written with only four consonants: YHWH. In ancient Greek, tetra means “four” and “tetragrammaton” simply means “written with four letters”. At the end of the movie it turns out that the leader of the council is dead and only the council itself keeps the control.

It will not be a coincidence that Yaldabaoth came to be, but a preparation for the exodus of souls from God’s light world. As the Gnostics (see Origen) taught, we all existed from the very beginning in that light world. However, some of us wanted to go out of it to have experiences that are not possible to have in the light world – and to fully experience our free will (also in ways that are impossible in the light world). For this reason, God created various angelic levels and then a region of darkness for those, who were to fall still further down. Yaldabaoth was intended to be the lord of that region – of the region of ignorance – and he should, therefore, be ignorant himself. Sophia was not ignorant to the same extent but also not fully conscious of what she was really doing, when she had Yaldabaoth come into being – and it should probably be so, or she wouldn’t have done it.

To create space for these levels below the divine light world, God contracted himself – cf. the cabbalistic concept of tzimtzum (en.wikipedia.org...).
Also the archons have their Epinoias, but its light is deeply hidden in them. At the end they shall also find there way out of the darkness, even Yaldabaoth (a power, who according to Goethe “…always wants the evil, but as and end result yet creates the good”, that is: the souls that become free when their light-Epinoia is sufficiently awaken – illumination).

The Epinoia will open itself up in us, but institutions like the Church want to cover it up, and they don’t know what they are doing. They want to lull us to sleep with hypnotically working brainwashing suggestions (through monotonous rituals, singing songs together in certain ways and the art of speaking of the priests, as well as other things in the liturgy, but also by means of their power). Thus religion becomes superficial.

Why is the Goddess suppressed? Because she is associated with the Epinoia and could take us to enlightenment!

On sexuality
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We here see that “eating from the tree of knowledge” has nothing to do with sexuality, but with striving for “forbidden knowledge”. Yaldabaoth wants to keep us in ignorance. We also see that there is on all levels a kind of polarity that in Yaldabaoths world in a way got ripped apart. We, who live in his world, are no more androgynous – in one entity both male and female – but either the one or the other. That is why we seek to reunite to one being and that is one basis of sexuality. The other is procreation.
There are, however, teachings in various systems that we actually are both male and female, but that the one pole manifests physically in the incarnation and the other remains in the soul. That is why we can change gender from one incarnation to another.

Thus sexuality has two aspects:
• the union of two souls (with the aid of the body), and
• procreation.
Yaldabaoth wants that we shouldn’t know of the spiritual aspect. He wants to have power over our sexuality and for that purpose reduce it to mere reproduction, because there could otherwise be a certain “danger” that we could have a little bit of spiritual awakening. And since every normally functioning human being will occasionally have sexual feelings (even though they may be suppressed, but then they subliminally are still there), this also helps to enable his power over humans. The archons in a way still want to rape Eve and drag the competition of male sexuality in the dirt, so that it looses the spiritual aspect and is devalued).


[edit on 7-9-2010 by memyself]

Originally posted by spy66



If this image represents Gods only creation. We know that everything that God had planed will evolve from the expansion of this dimension. That means the other Gods cant exist, and dont have authority over Gods creation. They dont even have authority to argue with him.

Jesus Christ was given Godhood so that other gods could exist, have authority over God's creation, and have authority to argue with Him.

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To jump to the Point. I don't believe Lord God Yahweh is a real God. He calls himself the almighty God, because he has created a being with some degree of knowledge, but that knowledge is far from his own. But it is far greater than the knowledge possessed by the Man "male and female" that evolved naturally from earth. This Man "male and female" was probably not a human like us.

Lord God Yahweh has created a being with a advantage over the already existing Man "male and female" that naturally evolve on earth.

Lord God Yahweh forms "Man" from the dust on the ground?

There are already "Man" male and female existing on earth. Ref. Genesis chapter 1. Lord God Yahweh uses them to form a new. "Adam"

Adam is probably a lot smarter and a lot more attractive than the humans that have evolved naturally on earth. So he should have no problem finding a mate. And is probably capable of mating with a Man who evolved naturally on earth.

Lord God Yahweh does want his Adam to multiply and fill the earth with his kind.


Lord God Yahweh uses Adam to form a "female". It is not Eve that Lord God formed from Adam.

23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

Hold on i am going to explain this Eve event later.


Lord God Yahweh plants a garden eastwards in Eden?

9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

That should not be a problem if you just have the seeds. If Lord God Yahweh can form a man from the dust on the ground.

"Man: male and female from earth". Is the dust on the ground.

Lord God should be able to reconstruct a seed that has evolved naturally on earth, to become a plant of his choice or his liking.

The garden some of us have in our yard is probably inspired by how Lord Gods garden looked. Is where we got the idea from. You know: To cut the grass, plant flowers and even shape the bushes. Even the way we live to day in our big cities are inspired knowledge from having seen the tree of knowledge.

In the middle of Eden. Lord God Yahweh had planted the tree of knowledge?

This tree of knowledge is where Lord God dwells. It's his camp/city. Some myths makes this out to be Atlantis. This is where Lord God Yahweh formed man "Adam and the female/woman".


What happened in the Garden of Eden?

According to Genesis chapter 2:8. A Eden must have existed before Lord God Yahweh planted his garden to the east. Lord God Yahweh planted his garden in a already existing Eden.

8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

If Genesis chapter 1 is true, and Genesis chapter 2:8 is true. Man "male and female" must have already existed in the original garden of Eden.

So Adam and the woman which Lord God had formed, can not have been the original Male and female on earth. They are copies of the original and himself.

Adam dwells in the garden with the woman which Lord God had formed from him.

Now, The woman meats a serpent in the midst of the garden. Is this woman the woman Lord God had formed out of Adam?


This is what the woman tells the serpent:

Gen. 3:2 We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

gen. 3:3 3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

It seams like this woman is speaking of a different God than Lord God Yahweh. The woman is telling the serpent what her God has told her. The God which she believes in. She is the original female that evolved on earth. And has probably been instructed by her "Tribe/people" Not to mingle with Lord Gods people.

She is allowed to enter the garden and to eat the fruit from it. But she is not allowed to enter the city where these Gods/Lord God lives.

Gen. 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

Now the serpent, the being from this Lord Gods garden tels the woman:

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

The serpent tels the woman that what she has been told by her God. The God which er people believe in. Because she must have been instructed by the leaders of her people, not to learn their knowledge. The serpent is telling her that she will not die. The serpent is telling her that she has been lied to by her people, and about their God.

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

In the verse above, the serpent is telling the woman that she will become like him, like them. Her eyes will be opened and she will know good and evil. She will be able to tell if the religion she and her people are subducted to is good or evil.

She will be able to learn the moral values of what her people are doing.

And that is not the knowledge the leaders of her people would like her to learn, because they speak and enforce the word of their God/religion. And they want it to stay that way.




[edit on 27.06.08 by spy66]