Why the west should fear muslims

16:39 Disbelievers are liars.

16:39 That He may explain unto them that wherein they differ, and that those who disbelieved may know that they were liars.

Originally posted by Gentill Abdulla
This is talking about afterlife. And is completely in PAST TENSE. They may have been disbelievers in the past but it doesn't state that they all ARE STILL liars.

You could do with brushing up your English comprehension skills Gentill Abdulla. Verse 16:39 talks about "...Allah will not raise up him who dieth..." and verse 16:39 "...those who disbelieved may know that they were liars."

Past tense? I think not. Besides, how can Allah, when talking about what he will do on the day of judgment be in the past tense?

Besides, the only people in the afterlife now are Jihadists who go straight to heaven (according to Islamic doctrine). Everyone else has to wait to be judged on judgment day. Hence it can't be past tense.

Your argument is illogical on both a reading comprehension and an Islamic theological level.

Good try but no cigar.

3:110 Muslims are the best people. Most Non-Muslims are "evil-livers."

3:110 Ye are the best community that hath been raised up for mankind. Ye enjoin right conduct and forbid indecency; and ye believe in Allah. And if the People of the Scripture had believed it had been better for them. Some of them are believers; but most of them are evil-livers.

Originally posted by Gentill Abdulla
3:110 This means they follow correct conduct, are not indecent, and the whole situation with Allah. So in Allahs eyes they ARE the best.

The fact that Allah believes that Muslims are the best people is not in contention. Clearly he does.

The fact that most people of the scripture (non-Muslims who have a book of prayer) are evil-livers doesn't appear to be in contention by you either.

9:125 Disbelievers are wicked and have diseased hearts.

9:125 But as for those in whose hearts is disease, it only addeth wickedness to their wickedness, and they die while they are disbelievers.

Originally posted by Gentill Abdulla
9:125 It says that those who ALREADY have DISEASES IN THEIR HEARTS have an added wickedness in it if they are disbelievers. It also states they die being disbelievers

The previous verse makes it very clear that verse 9:125 is referring to disbelievers

9:124. And whenever a surah is revealed there are some of them who say: Which one of you hath thus increased in faith ? As for those who believe, it hath increased them in faith and they rejoice (therefor).
tanzeem.org...


It is quite obvious that the disease referred to is not believing in new Surahs.

45:31 Those who disbelieve are guilty folk.

45:31 And as for those who disbelieved (it will be said unto them): Were not Our revelations recited unto you ? But ye were scornful and became a guilty folk.

Originally posted by Gentill Abdulla

Guilty of disbelieving that ALLAH is the only God and Muhammad is his messenger.

Correct. And hence held to have been guilty, on the day of judgement, at the time of non believing i.e. today .

16:27-29 Disbelievers are evil and will dwell in hell forever.

16:27 Then on the Day of Resurrection He will disgrace them and will say: Where are My partners, for whose sake ye opposed (My guidance)? Those who have been given knowledge will say: Disgrace this day and evil are upon the disbelievers

16:28 Whom the angels cause to die while they are wronging themselves. Then will they make full submission (saying): We used not to do any wrong. Nay! Surely Allah is Knower of what ye used to do.

16:29 So enter the gates of hell, to dwell therein for ever. Woeful indeed will be the lodging of the arrogant.

Originally posted by Gentill Abdulla
Allah will ask who opposed his message, the Qur'an, and the people who didn't are going to say "Disgrace this day and evil are upon the disbelievers"

And the punishment for disbelieving in Allah is Hellfire.(Hell) Which is pretty much standard in every religion.

So you are agreeing with me? Disbelievers are evil and will dwell in hell forever?

9:7-9 Don't make treaties with non-Muslims. They are all evildoers and should not be trusted.

9:7 How can there be a treaty with Allah and with His messenger for the idolaters save those with whom ye made a treaty at the Inviolable Place of Worship ? So long as they are true to you, be true to them. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty.

9:8 How (can there be any treaty for the others) when, if they have the upper hand of you, they regard not pact nor honor in respect of you ? They satisfy you with their mouths the while their hearts refuse. And most of them are wrongdoers.

9:9 They have purchased with the revelations of Allah a little gain, so they debar (men) from His way. Lo! evil is that which they are wont to do.

Originally posted by Gentill Abdulla
Clearly you didn't see this or you wouldn't have written what you did...
"So long as they are true to you, be true to them."

The other part says the treaty isn't valid when they have the upper hand AND THEY DON'T FOLLOW THE TREATY!

I agree. Your one good point. Your other 5 were pretty poor.

Originally posted by Gentill Abdulla
You know what I was going to leave you be but now I am going to have to destroy you with your own ignorance.

Out of 22 verses that I cited, you had a go at 6 of them but had a valid point about only 1.

Should I consider myself destroyed?

Originally posted by ollncasino


You could do with brushing up your English comprehension skills Gentill Abdulla. Verse 16:39 talks about "...Allah will not raise up him who dieth..." and verse 16:39 "...those who disbelieved may know that they were liars."

Past tense? I think not. Besides, how can Allah, when talking about what he will do on the day of judgment be in the past tense?

Besides, the only people in the afterlife now are Jihadists who go straight to heaven (according to Islamic doctrine). Everyone else has to wait to be judged on judgment day. Hence it can't be past tense.

Your argument is illogical on both a reading comprehension and an Islamic theological level.

Good try but no cigar.

Judgment day in Islam is either individually or for when the entire planet, or universe, is destroyed along with us.

And it still says WERE LIARS.

The fact that Allah believes that Muslims are the best people is not in contention. Clearly he does.

The fact that most people of the scripture (non-Muslims who have a book of prayer) are evil-livers doesn't appear to be in contention by you either.

Obviously Allah thinks that anyone who doesn't believe him is a disbeliever.

9:125 Disbelievers are wicked and have diseased hearts.

9:125 But as for those in whose hearts is disease, it only addeth wickedness to their wickedness, and they die while they are disbelievers.


The previous verse makes it very clear that verse 9:125 is referring to disbelievers

9:124. And whenever a surah is revealed there are some of them who say: Which one of you hath thus increased in faith ? As for those who believe, it hath increased them in faith and they rejoice (therefor).
tanzeem.org...


It is quite obvious that the disease referred to is not believing in new Surahs.

Then they are defined wicked by Allah, because they are disbelievers of Allah's words and fall prey to satan.
(Any other religion will have some variation of disbelievers going to hell or something along those lines. It isn't really a valid point in this subject.)

45:31 Those who disbelieve are guilty folk.

45:31 And as for those who disbelieved (it will be said unto them): Were not Our revelations recited unto you ? But ye were scornful and became a guilty folk.

Correct. And hence held to have been guilty, on the day of judgement, at the time of non believing i.e. today .

I already explained this one. Either for all of us remaining or individually.

So you are agreeing with me? Disbelievers are evil and will dwell in hell forever?

In the EYES OF ALLAH disbelievers would be judged as evil for not believing in ALLAH'S WORDS, even when they have been told over and over again.
(And again I already mentioned that every other religion always mentions disbelievers going to hell. Its not special only to Islam so it isn't a valid point.)
But no I am not agreeing with you.

I agree. Your one good point. Your other 5 were pretty poor.

Out of 22 verses that I cited, you had a go at 6 of them but had a valid point about only 1.

Should I consider myself destroyed?

I was going to finish but then I didn't. But you can still consider yourself destroyed if you want.

I think it's funny that you're all still talking about bible/quran verses as if the average believer takes everything literally

If they did, Christians would kill people they suspect of witch craft, wouldn't have premarital sex, and it would be ok to beat your slave to death if he lives another day before dying. And all Muslims would be terrorists trying to conquer us infidels.

Nothing but paranoia and fear mongering. I HATE what has become of the US after 9/11...they're slowly turning in what they hate most. Racism is growing stronger, liberties and freedoms are cut down (you can't built this mosque here...or warrantless wiretaps...or idiots opposing the net neutrality act...the list goes on), and people are looking for someone to blame for THEIR UNHAPPINESS.

Lost your job? No money? That SUCKS!! But if you wanna blame anyone, blame the idiots who deregulated the economy to the point where big business was able to bend over the little man before raping him. Pissed off about those evil Mexicans stealing your jobs? Why suddenly now? Want their bellow minimum-wage "almost slavery like" jobs?

Threads like these are nothing but racism in disguise!

Why do you think Hitler was so successful at hunting down the jews while the population just stood buy or helped? It was because the people were really suffering at that time and finding someone to blame to "release the anger" was just what they wanted.

If you are making threads trying to make people fearful of a whole race, you are nothing but a fear monger and racist! And telling me "oh, look, the race card...you can't do that" doesn't change that

reply to post by ollncasino

It is hard for me to find any intention of any sort of learning whatsoever in your posts. All you appear to be doing is trying your best to tactically denigrate Islam, no matter what the facts are, and to obliterate any criticism of your method with mass postings in hopes that the rebuttals will be buried in the previous pages.

You may possibly "attack" this post of mine by saying "you can't refute my points, so post a post with no substance". Well, I DID refute your points. Only you chose to act as if my posts never existed, or ignored the points, which further reinforces my point here.

You do realise you just mass-pasted from another anti-islam website AGAIN? The same mass pasting of "interpretations" of verses that you did a while back, which were refuted, yet you posted those EXACT SAME QUOTES AGAIN. You STILL haven't even bothered to actually read the quotes you posted in context, and have STILL posted the error-full "interpretations", this time with "quotes", with fancy blocked text, that are STILL out of context!

You are posting inaccurate and distorted INTERPRETATIONS (not verses), but when someone calls you out on that, you act all innocent and say "but these verses are from a reputed translation"! What exactly are you doing?

While a debate or discussion of fear of Islam and muslims may be fruitful and interesting, that is obviously not what you are here for. I am currently finding it very difficult to assume you are anything but a disinfo agent. You are probably too smart to actually be ignorant of basic understanding and reading comprehension. You said this on your very first post in this thread:

"Read the book and learn something" they extort, while anyone who has ever read the Koran knows, just by that statement, that they have never opened the cover of a Koran themself.

But it is painfully obvious you have never "opened the cover of a Koran" (or even if you have), and get all your "points" from biased anti-islam sites with an deceitful agenda.


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Hey Poet1b!
After the previous poster, seeing you in here is almost a breath of fresh air!

I'm not sure what you mean by "any other Prophet", but one I know is Moses (against the Midianites). Another could be Joshua. And several Prophets against the Amalekites? At least according to the Old Testament.

Originally posted by poet1b
Everywhere Islam succeeds in establishing itself, it starts war, and carries out acts of terrorism.

It is odd that you say this, poet1b. Especially considering examples like Indonesia, which has the largest population of muslims in the world. Or Malaysia. I can't recall which wars there were that occurred there. Or in Tanzania. Or in Kenya. Or Somalia. It is odd that the whole "spread by the sword" spiel is still holding strong after Europe should've emerged from it's religiously-based bias against Islam.

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Originally posted by ollncasino

16:39 Disbelievers are liars.

16:39 That He may explain unto them that wherein they differ, and that those who disbelieved may know that they were liars.

Originally posted by Gentill Abdulla
This is talking about afterlife. And is completely in PAST TENSE. They may have been disbelievers in the past but it doesn't state that they all ARE STILL liars.

You could do with brushing up your English comprehension skills Gentill Abdulla. Verse 16:39 talks about "...Allah will not raise up him who dieth..." and verse 16:39 "...those who disbelieved may know that they were liars."

Past tense? I think not. Besides, how can Allah, when talking about what he will do on the day of judgment be in the past tense?

Uhhh...the Quran is written an ancient Arabic, not English.

So when you spout a biased interpretation of a selected english translation of the Arabic text...and someone whose first language is Arabic corrects you.... you try to belittle his english skills....

Why would he need to brush up on his English?

Maybe you should "brush up" on your Arabic before pretending to be and expert on the Quran?..because I am fairly sure you don't speak a lick of it, given the anti-islamic hate you spew

Ignorance epitomized.



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reply to post by Acharya

Their prophet Mohamed practised peace in Medina when muslims was in a minority, but when he was in majority Islams true warlike face was shown, killing all those that would not become muslims.

This type of behavior doesn't only apply to Islam.
Ever heard of The Crusades, my friend?

en.wikipedia.org...

Any religion is only as good as the 'spirit' that moves it.

After 35 pages of replies, all that's visible is muslim haters fanning the flames, christians saying that muslims are intolerant (and they didn't even bother to check their past), people with no formed opinion being ignorant talking about something they don't even start to understand, "patriotic" bull**** americans that have a severe trauma with 9/11 and the others. The others being those who THINK and RATIONALIZE that a minority group of terrorists is NOT AN ENTIRE NATION. I am portuguese and live in Portugal, there are 3 mosques in Lisboa (capital city, where I happen to live) and you don't see muslims being unrespectful, violent or whatsoever negativity you're trying to push people into. Have you ever met a muslim? Have you talked to one regarding Islam? They have a wife, children, a job, they pay taxes, they have businesses, like any american citizen... why so much ignorance and hatred? I understand your bull**** media and prejudice and hearsays and wounded pride are a bitch, but when will you get over with? It's like me saying all americans or norwegians or portuguese or spaniards or italians or whatever are plain idiots... when they're not, though this site keeps on trying to prove me wrong each day.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by maybereal11
You are quoting a site that is dedicated to ANTI-RELIGION and their translations are skewed for that purpose.

Pickthall's translation isn't just any old translation of the Koran. It is arguably the most highly respected by Muslims and is also the most popular translation of the Koran in English.

Okay....and here are just a couple from your original lengthy post.

Which one of these translations can you attribute to pickthall? ...

you wrote

Originally posted by ollncasino
Following that line of theological reasoning, what then does the Koran say about Muslim integration?


Do not choose disbelievers as friends. 4:144

Pikthall's translation
PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! Choose not disbelievers for (your) friends in place of believers. Would ye give Allah a clear warrant against you?

you wrote

Originally posted by ollncasino
6. Non Muslims are guilty, evil, wicked, evil-livers, who have diseased hearts and are not to be trusted

Muslims are the best people. Most Non-Muslims are "evil-livers." 3:11

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PICKTHAL: Like Pharaoh's folk and those who were before them, they disbelieved Our revelations and so Allah seized them for their sins. And Allah is severe in punishment

qurango.com...

I have no intention going through the library of BS you have posted, but you can stop claiming you are posting literal translations...

What you are posting are... selective interpretations of an admittedly less than literal translation into english without context...from the original ancient arabic

Passionately claiming your interpretation is the word of the Quran is enough of a stretch in my eyes...to accurately call BS.

Like I said, you have become boring fast. No interest in debating with dishonest folks.

Originally posted by MrXYZ
I think it's funny that you're all still talking about bible/quran verses as if the average believer takes everything literally

It is an article of Islamic doctrine that the Koran, being the word of Allah, must be interpreted literally.

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Originally posted by DeReK DaRkLy

Their prophet Mohamed practised peace in Medina when muslims was in a minority, but when he was in majority Islams true warlike face was shown, killing all those that would not become muslims.

This type of behavior doesn't only apply to Islam.
Ever heard of The Crusades, my friend?

If the crusades wanted to move into my neighborhood I would be very apprehensive.



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Originally posted by babloyiBut it is painfully obvious you have never "opened the cover of a Koran" (or even if you have), and get all your "points" from biased anti-islam sites with an deceitful agenda.

Yet here I am displaying a knowledge of Islamic doctrine not displayed by the vast majority of the defenders of Islam on this thread.

Go figure.

i.e. to paraphrase

Jihad means peace

No it doesn't. Out of the 164 verses referring to Jihad in the Koran, 97% of them refer to violent Jihad.

www.answering-islam.org...

This tradition of Jihad doesn't die easily. In fact violent jihad attacks in the name of Allah are still alive and well in the following countries in 2010.

Pakistan:
Afghanistan;
Iraq;
Thailand;
China;
Yemen;
Algeria;
India;
Palestine;
Somalia;
Russia;
Egypt;
Ingushetia;
Philippines;
Dagestan;
Jordan;
Mali;
Nigeria;
Uganda;
USA;
Kosovo;
Liberia
Chechnya;
Saudi Arabia;
Germany;
France;
Israel;
Bangladesh;
Lebanon;
Ethiopia;
DRC (Congo);
Ukraine.

www.thereligionofpeace.com...

So 159 verses of the Koran talk about violent Jihad and guess what?

Violent Jihad attacks have occurred in 2010 in 32 countries in the world.

What a surprise!

Originally posted by maybereal11
Okay....and here are just a couple from your original lengthy post.

Which one of these translations can you attribute to pickthall? ...

Can I refer you to my posts on

www.abovetopsecret.com...

You appear to not have read them.

reply to post by Acharya


if god is truth, then how can the truth fear the truth and remain intact as one?

truth in juxtaposition to the truth?

truth fear truth?

maybe that is how/why god split.

reply to post by ollncasino

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by babloyiBut it is painfully obvious you have never "opened the cover of a Koran" (or even if you have), and get all your "points" from biased anti-islam sites with an deceitful agenda.

Yet here I am displaying a knowledge of Islamic doctrine not displayed by the vast majority of the defenders of Islam on this thread.

It is not displayed because your knowledge is faulty (and yet you still keep posting it, after it has been proven so). And I posted the reason too: You probably have never "opened the cover of the Koran", and as proof in the very post I am addressing, you again show me your "scholarly research" from answering-islam.

I never said Jihad means peace. In the context of Islam, Jihad means "struggling in the way of God". This can sometimes mean military struggle to restore the peace, sure.

You really do love lists, don't you? The problem with lists (especially those picked up from sites such as skeptics annotated and answering-islam), is that they are always high on quantity and very low on quality- Case in point: The very first verses posted make no mention of Jihad at all! And the next verse, while mentioning fighting, doesn't call it Jihad, and isn't really a good example for you in your quest to show THE VIOLENCE .

190: Fight in the way of God those who fight you, but do not be the aggressors, for God does not love aggressors.
191: And slay them where you catch them, and turn them out of where they turned you out, for oppression is worse than fighting. But do not fight them at the Sacred Mosque, unless they fight you there, then slay them. Such is the reward for those who suppress faith. (sites like the one you use love quoting this verse without the surrounding verses)
192:But if they cease, God is most forgiving and merciful.
193: And fight them on until there is no more oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except against those who are practising oppression.

So if someone claims they are "battling Satan's helpers" and "preparing the way for Lord Jesus's return", and commits heinous acts under such a cause, they would be instantly labelled unchristian. Yet if a person claims to be doing Jihad while committing heinous acts, that is just a normal muslim?

EDIT: Oh dear, it appears I do use a lot of quotation marks. I swear I'm not the kind of guy who waggles his fingers alongside saying words in real life . Removed some.

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Originally posted by maybereal11
Maybe you should "brush up" on your Arabic before pretending to be and expert on the Quran?

You make an interesting point.

The Koran is written in 1,400 year old Arabic. Consequently, only scholars of ancient Arabic can understand it. Even then, they struggle for a number of reasons (for instance, ancient Arabic often missed out letters). The modern Koran is an interpretation of the original ancient Arabic. A number of different Korans were also doing rounds in Islam's early days.

Muslims often claim 2 things

(1) The Koran can only be understood in Arabic
(2) The Koran in Arabic can only be understood if you are a Muslim.

One thing that is clear from the Koran and the Hadiths no matter whether in Ancient Arabic or modern English - Muslims have a religious duty to wage violent Jihad against non-Muslims.

Unfortunately, a small minority of Muslims do so.

For instance, so far in the 20th day of Ramadan, Islamic Jihadists have carried out 133 terrorist attacks and killed 565 people.

A coincidence?

In the same period, 1 Hindu has killed 1 Christian.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by MrXYZ
I think it's funny that you're all still talking about bible/quran verses as if the average believer takes everything literally

It is an article of Islamic doctrine that the Koran, being the word of Allah, must be interpreted literally.

[edit on 31-8-2010 by ollncasino]

And in the bible it states that it's ok to beat a slave to death if he lives another day before dying...or that a talking snake was somehow involved in our creation...yet modern Christians don't take it literally. The same goes for the large majority of Muslims.

Look, if you seriously believe all Muslims (or the majority) wants to conquer the world and destroy all infidels, you're a paranoid fear monger. Yes, some extremists are idiots, but they're a small MINORITY!! Just like the young earth creationists who are just as insane are a small minority in Christianity.

Originally posted by babloyi
The very first verses posted make no mention of Jihad at all! And the next verse, while mentioning fighting, doesn't call it Jihad, and isn't really a good example for you in your quest to show THE VIOLENCE

You are letting your ignorance show again.

Jihad is the only type of warfare permitted to Muslims according to Islamic law based on the interpretation of the Koran and ahadith by Muslim religious jurists.

Consequently, any verse defining the rights of Muslims to wage war must by implication be jihad.

Muhammad himself was a great advocate of Jihad (in the violent sense). He personally took part in about 28 violent jihads and was involved in planning about 80 in total.

Perhaps his most notorious jiahd that Muhammed was directly involved in was the beheading of 800 male Jews of the Banu Qurayza tribe in Medina. He sold the women and children into slavery but kindly 'invited' one young Jewish widow who was now a slave (she has just watched her husband being beheaded by Muhammad's men) into his bed for the night.

Muhammad's successors also took their Jihad religious duty very seriously. They conquered 3/4s of the old Christian world, conquered and settled in Christian Spain, invaded France, destroyed the Eastern Orthodox Byzantine Empire in 1453 and had conquered large parts of Europe by 1648. In 1683 they unsuccessfully besieged Vienna.



www.mideastweb.org...

All of the Muslim conquests, being the only type of warfare permitted by Islam, was by definition Jihad in the name of Allah.



www.vlib.us...

If the Muslims had successfully taken Vienna, you would likely be speaking Arabic right now and bowing towards Mecca 5 times a day. I suspect you wouldn't mind much.


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Originally posted by MrXYZ
Look, if you seriously believe all Muslims (or the majority) wants to conquer the world and destroy all infidels, you're a paranoid fear monger. Yes, some extremists are idiots, but they're a small MINORITY!!

A very active minority. Since 9/11, Jihadists have carried out 15,949 jihadists attacks in the name of Allah.

www.thereligionofpeace.com...

Luckily, only 5% of American Muslims support Al Qaeda while only 8% of American Muslims support suicide bombings.

pewforum.org...

In other words, using the data from the above survey, there are only 122,000 Muslims in the USA who support Al Qaeda and only 170,000 American Muslims who support suicide bombing.

en.wikipedia.org...

Lets all agree on something...

Religion has killed more people than every disease on earth!
Religion is the main reason for intolerance on earth!!
Religion is a tool to keep "man" in line and give him something more to fear than death!
Religion is also a tool to help mentally weak people deal with death and dying!
The bible is a book for reference on moral issues-- Not a very good one! But none the less, is what it is supposed to be used for!

There is no "old man" in the clouds that grants wishes randomly!!!

During each time period, the word "fanatic" could be assigned to every religion at certain times in history!

These days it seems to be the muslims that stick out as the fanatics.... The Catholics had their day!

One day, todays religion, will be looked at like the religions of early indians!
Dilusional and OBVIOUSLY not right... I mean come on .. A sun god? a moon god? .... One day religion will be seen for what it is.. A weak mans crutch to deal with life and lifes problems.

Are Muslims crazy and dilusional - Yes
Are Christians crazy and dilusional - yes
Catholics-- you know the answer!

Now IMHO the only religion that has it right is Scientology!!!

Jking.... But Scientology proves that this planet is filled with weak minded individuals that are willing to believe anything layed out in front of them...

The people of this planet are spiritualy lonely and desperate to fit in.. Its rather sad..

Now on to the Jews---- wow.. I do side with ISRAEL (not jews) on most issues over there.

But to live your life thinking that some fake guy in the clouds made you his "chosen people" really? I mean really?

The insanity of religion never ends.. The only way there will ever be peace on this planet, is if all religions are made illegal!!! yeah i said it..

reply to post by ollncasino


Which is exactly why this fear mongering is accomplishing nothing. Apart from increasing general racism against a whole people just because a tiny minority are extremists. Imagine you are a "moderate sane Muslim" and not a monkey extremist...do you have any idea how much they suffer because of those idiot extremists and the consequent fear mongering? If they fly by plane, they now have to endure "random" (lol) spot checks. People protesting against their faith based on the actions of people who take things to the extreme...

That's like me protesting Christianity just because the young earth creationists or evangelists who say Harry Potter is the devil are insane.

We have the FREEDOM OF CHOICE when it comes to religion in the US...which is only possible if you have FREEDOM FROM RELIGION. If people want to build a mosque, they should be allowed to do that. Those who oppose it or act all paranoid are pretty much saying all Muslims are terrorists...which is WRONG, just like this thread is wrong and nothing but a generalizing racist rant.

Look, no one's arguing in favor of extremists. But if we condemn a whole people just because of the actions of few, we become what we really hate, oppressive! And freedom and liberties go right out of the window.

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