Why the west should fear muslims

Originally posted by under_topsecret
You cannot judge Islam by Quran only.

You also have to take into account the historical events at the time of writing. Early on Muslims we beset upon and pretty much on their own. Like the Israelites in the OT. Thus the harsher language.

[edit on 28-8-2010 by ollncasino]

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by under_topsecret
You cannot judge Islam by Quran only.

You also have to take into account the historical events at the time of writing. Early on Muslims we beset upon and pretty much on their own. Like the Israelites in the OT. Thus the harsher language.

There is not such thing as "historical events and time".
There is a God´s prophet, or there is not.

A God´s prophet brings to people light of many years from future.

Make a list of all prophets and compare them. Most of them were as they come from distant future. Some were not.

If you take in account "historical events and time" for a God´s prophet, how do you think people should judge dictators for some 50 years in future ?

Originally posted by under_topsecret

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by under_topsecret
You cannot judge Islam by Quran only.

You also have to take into account the historical events at the time of writing. Early on Muslims we beset upon and pretty much on their own. Like the Israelites in the OT. Thus the harsher language.

There is not such thing as "historical events and time".
There is a God´s prophet, or there is not.

A God´s prophet brings to people light of many years from future.

Make a list of all prophets and compare them. Most of them were as they come from distant future. Some were not.

If you take in account "historical events and time" for a God´s prophet, how do you think people should judge dictators for some 50 years in future ?

Say what again? There are numerous of prophets in Judaism, Christianity and Islam. The reason I say all three of these beliefs is that they differ from one another.

Originally posted by maybereal11
You didn't quote the Koran. You quoted a ridiculous list of "intrepretations" of the Koran by a religious bashing website.

I hate to burst your bubble, but the 'ridiculous' interpretations are extremely accurate summaries of the verses.

If you don't believe me check yourself - the summary is followed by the full verse.

1. Non Muslims are both Muslim's and Allah's enemy.

60:1 Don't be friends with disbelievers. They are your (and Allah's) enemy.

60:1 O ye who believe! Choose not My enemy and your enemy for allies. Do ye give them friendship when they disbelieve in that truth which hath come unto you, driving out the messenger and you because ye believe in Allah, your Lord ? If ye have come forth to strive in My way and seeking My good pleasure, (show them not friendship). Do ye show friendship unto them in secret, when I am Best Aware of what ye hide and what ye proclaim ? And whosoever doeth it among you, he verily hath strayed from the right way.

63:4 Disbelievers are perverted. They are the enemy, confounded by Allah.

63:4 And when thou seest them their figures please thee; and if they speak thou givest ear unto their speech. (They are) as though they were blocks of wood in striped cloaks. They deem every shout to be against them. They are the enemy, so beware of them. Allah confound them! How they are perverted!

2. If a Muslim is friends with a non-Muslim, Allah has prepared a terrible doom.

58:14-15 Don't make friends with Allah's enemies. For those who do so, Allah has prepared a dreadful doom.

58:14 Hast thou not seen those who take for friends a folk with whom Allah is wroth? They are neither of you nor of them, and they swear a false oath knowingly.

58:15 Allah hath prepared for them a dreadful doom. Evil indeed is that which they are wont to do.

5:80 Muslims that make friends with disbelievers will face a doom prepared for them by Allah.

5:80 Thou seest many of them making friends with those who disbelieve. Surely ill for them is that which they themselves send on before them: that Allah will be wroth with them and in the doom they will abide.

3. Muslims are instructed to stay away from and to not be friends with non Muslims.

53:29 Stay away from non-Muslims, especially those who disbelieve in the afterlife.

53:27 Lo! it is those who disbelieve in the Hereafter who name the angels with the names of females. Those who disbelieve in the afterlife give female names to angels.

53:28 And they have no knowledge thereof. They follow but a guess, and lo! a guess can never take the place of the truth.

53:29 Then withdraw (O Muhammad) from him who fleeth from Our remembrance and desireth but the life of the world.

4:144 Do not choose disbelievers as friends.

4:144 O ye who believe! Choose not disbelievers for (your) friends in place of believers. Would ye give Allah a clear warrant against you ?

5:51 Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them.

5:51 O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.

4. Non Muslims and their poisonous talk is to be ignored

33:48 Ignore disbelievers and their poisonous talk.

33:48
And incline not to the disbelievers and the hypocrites. Disregard their noxious talk, and put thy trust in Allah. Allah is sufficient as Trustee.

5. Non Muslims are liars and wrong doers to be stayed away from.

9:107 Stay away from non-Muslims. They are all liars.

9:107 And as for those who chose a place of worship out of opposition and disbelief, and in order to cause dissent among the believers, and as an outpost for those who warred against Allah and His messenger aforetime, they will surely swear: We purposed naught save good. Allah beareth witness that they verily are liars.

3:73 Don't believe anyone who is not a Muslim.

3:73 And believe not save in one who followeth your religion -
Say (O Muhammad): Lo! the guidance is Allah's Guidance - that anyone is given the like of that which was given unto you or that they may argue with you in the presence of their Lord. Say (O Muhammad): Lo! the bounty is in Allah's hand. He bestoweth it on whom He will. Allah is All-Embracing, All-Knowing.

5:45 Non-Muslims are wrong doers.

5:45 And We prescribed for them therein: The life for the life, and the eye for the eye, and the nose for the nose, and the ear for the ear, and the tooth for the tooth, and for wounds retaliation. But whoso forgoeth it (in the way of charity) it shall be expiation for him. Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath revealed: such are wrong-doers.

The disbelieving people of the Scripture are liars. 59:11

59:11 Hast thou not observed those who are hypocrites, (how) they tell their brethren who disbelieve among the People of the Scripture: If ye are driven out, we surely will go out with you, and we will never obey anyone against you, and if ye are attacked we verily will help you. And Allah beareth witness that they verily are liars.

6:106 Stay away from idolaters.

6:106 Follow that which is inspired in thee from thy Lord; there is no God save Him; and turn away from the idolaters.

skepticsannotatedbible.com...

Those 'ridiculous' interpretations are actually very good summaries.

By the way, the Koran translation used by the Skeptics website is by (Mohammed) Marmaduke Pickthall a Western Muslim scholar who was a convert from Christianity to Islam and was a stout defender of Turkey and Islam.

en.wikipedia.org...

It looks like you haven't done your homework again and are wrong again.

The rest of the 'ridiculous' (but remarkably accurate) summaries.

16:39 Disbelievers are liars.

16:39 That He may explain unto them that wherein they differ, and that those who disbelieved may know that they were liars.

6. Non Muslims are guilty, evil, wicked, evil-livers, who have diseased hearts and are not to be trusted

3:110 Muslims are the best people. Most Non-Muslims are "evil-livers."

3:110 Ye are the best community that hath been raised up for mankind. Ye enjoin right conduct and forbid indecency; and ye believe in Allah. And if the People of the Scripture had believed it had been better for them. Some of them are believers; but most of them are evil-livers.

9:125 Disbelievers are wicked and have diseased hearts.

9:125 But as for those in whose hearts is disease, it only addeth wickedness to their wickedness, and they die while they are disbelievers.

45:31 Those who disbelieve are guilty folk.

45:31 And as for those who disbelieved (it will be said unto them): Were not Our revelations recited unto you ? But ye were scornful and became a guilty folk.

16:27-29 Disbelievers are evil and will dwell in hell forever.

16:27 Then on the Day of Resurrection He will disgrace them and will say: Where are My partners, for whose sake ye opposed (My guidance)? Those who have been given knowledge will say: Disgrace this day and evil are upon the disbelievers

16:28 Whom the angels cause to die while they are wronging themselves. Then will they make full submission (saying): We used not to do any wrong. Nay! Surely Allah is Knower of what ye used to do.

16:29 So enter the gates of hell, to dwell therein for ever. Woeful indeed will be the lodging of the arrogant.

9:7-9 Don't make treaties with non-Muslims. They are all evildoers and should not be trusted.

9:7 How can there be a treaty with Allah and with His messenger for the idolaters save those with whom ye made a treaty at the Inviolable Place of Worship ? So long as they are true to you, be true to them. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty.

9:8 How (can there be any treaty for the others) when, if they have the upper hand of you, they regard not pact nor honour in respect of you ? They satisfy you with their mouths the while their hearts refuse. And most of them are wrongdoers.

9:9 They have purchased with the revelations of Allah a little gain, so they debar (men) from His way. Lo! evil is that which they are wont to do.


7. Don't be friends with non-Muslims. Kill them instead.

4:89 Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them.

4:89 They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them

8. Non-Believers secretly hate Muslims - don't be friends

3:118 Don't be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you.

3:118 O ye who believe! Take not for intimates others than your own folk, who would spare no pains to ruin you; they love to hamper you. Hatred is revealed by (the utterance of) their mouths, but that which their breasts hide is greater. We have made plain for you the revelations if ye will understand.

9. Don't pray for dead disbelievers or attend their funerals

9:84Don't pray for dead disbelievers or attend their funerals.

9:84 And never (O Muhammad) pray for one of them who dieth, nor stand by his grave. Lo! they disbelieved in Allah and His messenger, and they died while they were evil-doers.

skepticsannotatedbible.com...

This not doing your homework and getting things wrong is turning into a bit of a habit.


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[edit on 28-8-2010 by ollncasino]

Originally posted by maybereal11
Again...repeating myself...are you just pretending your own posts don't exist?

Now you are just making me repeat myself. It would be easier if you would honestly address my posts.

I must apologize, I missed that you had referred to the following webpage

www.answering-islam.org...

If I had realized I would have addressed your point and debunked it earlier.

According to its own website, answering-islam.org mostly uses a direct modern standard edition of the Arabic Qur'an, the so-called Cairo text, used in nearly all Qur'an editions currently in print. Occasionally they consult other Arabic versions as well.

Apparently they mostly use the English translations, not to understand what the Koran actually says (they read the original Arabic Koran- a sensible enough thing to do if you can) but rather to post things on their webpage in English.

It uses 13 English translations by Muslim and 6 English translations by Western scholars.

www.answering-islam.org...

I suspect the problem that some Muslims and Muslim apologists like yourself have with this website isn't that it is inaccurate. The problem appears to be that it is all too accurate, presenting the Koran, warts and all.

For instance, the link I used details the fact that out of 164 verses that mention Jihad, 97% of them use Jihad in a violent sense.

The page even provides all 164 verses.

www.answering-islam.org...

I suggest that if you wish to allege that a page uses an inaccurate translation, you should at least know whose translation it is using?

Of course, that would entail some homework for yourself rather than a quick google search that throws up such gems as Yahoo! Answers as one of your sources...

Originally posted by intrepid
You also have to take into account the historical events at the time of writing. Early on Muslims we beset upon and pretty much on their own. Like the Israelites in the OT. Thus the harsher language.

Surely such a stance is illogical?

If we can only judge a man in reference to his own era, then how could we compare Hitler with Jesus?

Both belonged to very different eras afterall.

blah blah blah more attacks on islam blah blah blah more bs blah blah blah . oh and more blah blah blah. good post.

if you want to know about islam read the quran for yourself or ask a muslim who knows their stuff. dont listen to all the ppl out there who have a personal motive or who know even less. good to see people not buying this bs anymore.

Originally posted by mohammed_nz
blah blah blah more attacks on islam blah blah blah more bs blah blah blah . oh and more blah blah blah. good post.

if you want to know about islam read the quran for yourself or ask a muslim who knows their stuff. dont listen to all the ppl out there who have a personal motive or who know even less. good to see people not buying this bs anymore.

Could I suggest you visit an optician?

You appear to have overlooked the large number of passages from the Koran on this very page.

Imho the World should beware religion, they are all elitist only their chosen path be they Christians Muslims or Jews are right.

Will a Muslim, Jew or Christian sit with me who doesn't follow their beliefs in the after life if their is one?....of course not.

Religion of any kind is all about control.

Originally posted by under_topsecret
There is not such thing as "historical events and time".
There is a God´s prophet, or there is not.

So you're saying that there's no difference between the prophets of the OT and the ones from the NT? Certainly the historical differences make for the difference in the tone of the Bible.

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by under_topsecret
There is not such thing as "historical events and time".
There is a God´s prophet, or there is not.

So you're saying that there's no difference between the prophets of the OT and the ones from the NT?

I don´t know. Read and judge for yourself.
I meant prophets from budism, hinduism, etc...too..all.

It is easy to see which one was had new ideas, new enlightment that people in that time didn´t have.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by maybereal11
You didn't quote the Koran. You quoted a ridiculous list of "intrepretations" of the Koran by a religious bashing website.

I hate to burst your bubble, but the 'ridiculous' interpretations are extremely accurate summaries of the verses.

If you don't believe me check yourself - the summary is followed by the full verse.

I'll be brief since this is getting tiresome.

You are quoting a site that is dedicated to ANTI-RELIGION and thier translations are skewed for that purpose.

YOUR SOURCE on THE BIBLE..
It is time for us all to stop believing in, or pretending to believe in, a book that is so unworthy of belief.
www.skepticsannotatedbible.com...

For the QURAN it uses selections of Pickthall's translation
www.skepticsannotatedbible.com...

He wrote in his foreword: “The Qur’an cannot be translated.” Understandably he titled his work that he finally published in 1930 as The Meaning of the Glorious Quran (A. A. Knopf, New York 1930), declaring that it is a simply a meaning of the Message and not a presentation in English of the Arabic text.

en.wikipedia.org...(book)

There are MANY, MANY different translations for the Quran into English...

See here...I could easily choose a much less non threatening translation...
www.islamawakened.com...

To simply find the most threatening translation and declare it a literal translation is dishonest IMO.

And such tactics have no more relevance than doing the exact same with the bible and thus declaring christianity entire a hateful and intolerant religion.

It's dishonest....and it's bigoted...lest you plan on posting a few hundred certain translations of the bible, the book of Mormon etc. to balance out exclusive mass of posts you have offered as an indictment of the Muslim faith.

Anyone who hits the "posts" button on any of your posts can see your focus has been singular, skewed, lopsided and fierce and the sources you site are websites dedicated to specifically attacking the Muslim Faith.

You are no mystery, just ignorance and cut and paste.

Are there any other prophets who took up the sword and conquered their neighbors? Who practiced a most brutal form of slavery, and forced themselves upon the women of their defeated foes?

It is always the same where ever Islam goes. They claim exaggerated victim status, and then attack those who they claim to have insulted them.

Everywhere Islam succeeds in establishing itself, it starts war, and carries out acts of terrorism.

reply to post by poet1b

Are there any other prophets....

Yes!! And his name was money.....

Peace

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Originally posted by ollncasino
The rest of the 'ridiculous' (but remarkably accurate) summaries.

16:39 Disbelievers are liars.

16:39 That He may explain unto them that wherein they differ, and that those who disbelieved may know that they were liars.

6. Non Muslims are guilty, evil, wicked, evil-livers, who have diseased hearts and are not to be trusted

3:110 Muslims are the best people. Most Non-Muslims are "evil-livers."

3:110 Ye are the best community that hath been raised up for mankind. Ye enjoin right conduct and forbid indecency; and ye believe in Allah. And if the People of the Scripture had believed it had been better for them. Some of them are believers; but most of them are evil-livers.

9:125 Disbelievers are wicked and have diseased hearts.

9:125 But as for those in whose hearts is disease, it only addeth wickedness to their wickedness, and they die while they are disbelievers.

45:31 Those who disbelieve are guilty folk.

45:31 And as for those who disbelieved (it will be said unto them): Were not Our revelations recited unto you ? But ye were scornful and became a guilty folk.

16:27-29 Disbelievers are evil and will dwell in hell forever.

16:27 Then on the Day of Resurrection He will disgrace them and will say: Where are My partners, for whose sake ye opposed (My guidance)? Those who have been given knowledge will say: Disgrace this day and evil are upon the disbelievers

16:28 Whom the angels cause to die while they are wronging themselves. Then will they make full submission (saying): We used not to do any wrong. Nay! Surely Allah is Knower of what ye used to do.

16:29 So enter the gates of hell, to dwell therein for ever. Woeful indeed will be the lodging of the arrogant.

9:7-9 Don't make treaties with non-Muslims. They are all evildoers and should not be trusted.

9:7 How can there be a treaty with Allah and with His messenger for the idolaters save those with whom ye made a treaty at the Inviolable Place of Worship ? So long as they are true to you, be true to them. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty.

9:8 How (can there be any treaty for the others) when, if they have the upper hand of you, they regard not pact nor honour in respect of you ? They satisfy you with their mouths the while their hearts refuse. And most of them are wrongdoers.

9:9 They have purchased with the revelations of Allah a little gain, so they debar (men) from His way. Lo! evil is that which they are wont to do.


7. Don't be friends with non-Muslims. Kill them instead.

4:89 Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them.

4:89 They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them

8. Non-Believers secretly hate Muslims - don't be friends

3:118 Don't be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you.

3:118 O ye who believe! Take not for intimates others than your own folk, who would spare no pains to ruin you; they love to hamper you. Hatred is revealed by (the utterance of) their mouths, but that which their breasts hide is greater. We have made plain for you the revelations if ye will understand.

9. Don't pray for dead disbelievers or attend their funerals

9:84Don't pray for dead disbelievers or attend their funerals.

9:84 And never (O Muhammad) pray for one of them who dieth, nor stand by his grave. Lo! they disbelieved in Allah and His messenger, and they died while they were evil-doers.

skepticsannotatedbible.com...

This not doing your homework and getting things wrong is turning into a bit of a habit.

You know what I was going to leave you be but now I am going to have to destroy you with your own ignorance.

Claim 1

16:39 Disbelievers are liars.

16:39 That He may explain unto them that wherein they differ, and that those who disbelieved may know that they were liars.

This is talking about afterlife. And is completely in PAST TENSE.They may have been disbelievers in the past but it doesn't state that they all ARE STILL liars.

It is just them thinking they were telling the truth but they were in fact lying.

Claim 2

6. Non Muslims are guilty, evil, wicked, evil-livers, who have diseased hearts and are not to be trusted

3:110 Muslims are the best people. Most Non-Muslims are "evil-livers."

3:110 Ye are the best community that hath been raised up for mankind. Ye enjoin right conduct and forbid indecency; and ye believe in Allah. And if the People of the Scripture had believed it had been better for them. Some of them are believers; but most of them are evil-livers.

3:110 This means they follow correct conduct, are not indecent, and the whole situation with Allah.So in Allahs eyes they ARE the best.

Claim 3

9:125 Disbelievers are wicked and have diseased hearts.

9:125 But as for those in whose hearts is disease, it only addeth wickedness to their wickedness, and they die while they are disbelievers.

9:125 It says that those who ALREADY have DISEASES IN THEIR HEARTS have an added wickedness in it if they are disbelievers. It also states they die being disbelievers


Claim 4

45:31 Those who disbelieve are guilty folk.

45:31 And as for those who disbelieved (it will be said unto them): Were not Our revelations recited unto you ? But ye were scornful and became a guilty folk.

Guilty of disbelieving that ALLAH is the only God and Muhammed is his messenger.

Claim 5

16:27-29 Disbelievers are evil and will dwell in hell forever.

16:27 Then on the Day of Resurrection He will disgrace them and will say: Where are My partners, for whose sake ye opposed (My guidance)? Those who have been given knowledge will say: Disgrace this day and evil are upon the disbelievers

16:28 Whom the angels cause to die while they are wronging themselves. Then will they make full submission (saying): We used not to do any wrong. Nay! Surely Allah is Knower of what ye used to do.

16:29 So enter the gates of hell, to dwell therein for ever. Woeful indeed will be the lodging of the arrogant.

Allah will ask who opposed his message, the Qur'an, and the people who didn't are going to say "Disgrace this day and evil are upon the disbelievers"

And the punishment for disbelieving in Allah is Hellfire.(Hell) Which is pretty much standard in every religion.

Claim 6

9:7-9 Don't make treaties with non-Muslims. They are all evildoers and should not be trusted.

9:7 How can there be a treaty with Allah and with His messenger for the idolaters save those with whom ye made a treaty at the Inviolable Place of Worship ? So long as they are true to you, be true to them. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty.

9:8 How (can there be any treaty for the others) when, if they have the upper hand of you, they regard not pact nor honor in respect of you ? They satisfy you with their mouths the while their hearts refuse. And most of them are wrongdoers.

9:9 They have purchased with the revelations of Allah a little gain, so they debar (men) from His way. Lo! evil is that which they are wont to do.

Clearly you didn't see this or you wouldn't have written what you did...
"So long as they are true to you, be true to them."

The other part says the treaty isn't valid when they have the upper hand AND THEY DON'T FOLLOW THE TREATY!

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reply to post by operation mindcrime


Yeah, its funny how often those two coincide, money and religion that is.

Big oil, banking, and Islam, sounds like a nasty cocktail.

Originally posted by maybereal11
You are quoting a site that is dedicated to ANTI-RELIGION and their translations are skewed for that purpose.

Pickthall's translation isn't just any old translation of the Koran. It is arguably the most highly respected by Muslims and is also the most popular translation of the Koran in English.

Which is why the following Muslim websites make it available on-line

www.turntoislam.com...
www.islamtomorrow.com...
www.communityquran.com...
www.islamawakened.com...
tanzeem.org...
www.alim.org...
www.alquran-english.com...
www.markazislam.com...
www.themuslimweb.com...
www.quranbrowser.org...
www.islam101.com...

Lets look at what 2 Muslim websites say about it.

Faithfully represents the sense of the original.
www.alhafeez.org...

His translation sticks closely to the Arabic text and to the interpretations made by Muslims
www.muhajabah.com...

What you don't understand is that it is an aspect of Islamic doctrine that only a Koran in Arabic can be a true representation of the Koran. Hence Pickthall's comments that you misunderstood out of a lack of basic knowledge about Islam. Yet here you are defending it.

What did Pickthall really say about his translation of the Koran?

"... The Qur'an cannot be translated. ...The book is here rendered almost literally and every effort has been made to choose befitting language. But the result is not the Glorious Qur'an, that inimitable symphony, the very sounds of which move men to tears and ecstasy. It is only an attempt to present the meaning of the Qur'an-and peradventure something of the charm in English. It can never take the place of the Qur'an in Arabic, nor is it meant to do so..." [Marmaduke Pickthall, 1930]
www.angelfire.com...

I am amazed that you have attacked a highly respected translation of the Koran as being anti-Muslim and skewed. Pickthall was a Muslim for goodness sake.

So it looks like you are wrong again.

Originally posted by maybereal11
It's dishonest....and it's bigoted...lest you plan on posting a few hundred certain translations of the bible, the book of Mormon etc. to balance out exclusive mass of posts you have offered as an indictment of the Muslim faith.

This thread is called "Why the West should fear Muslims". If you wish to discuss the Bible or the Book of Mormon, can I suggest you start a new thread?

Originally posted by maybereal11
Anyone who hits the "posts" button on any of your posts can see your focus has been singular, skewed, lopsided and fierce and the sources you site are websites dedicated to specifically attacking the Muslim Faith.

While your focus of late has been aggressively (and largely ignorantly) defending the Muslim faith. You know so little about the Koran that you attacked Pickthall's translation without even knowing that it is perhaps the most respected English translation by a Muslim for Muslims.

Go figure. I'm not dealing with the sharpest tool in the shed.

Originally posted by maybereal11
You are no mystery, just ignorance and cut and paste.

You want me to write my own Koran?

You guys may think the op is taking it to the extreme but have any of you who replied actually have been to a muslim country in the middle east? I highly doubt it, and if you have you should know how hard it is to be there as a tourist. My friend who lived there all his live is muslim tells me storys all the time and my other friend who studied abroad lived in egypt for half a year and had such horrible experiences. In fact they were so bad she cut her year time in egypt in HALF !! So please dont speak like you know when you dont. Are all muslims bad? NO! IS THE CULTURE weird to me and to my friend and esp to woman YES very much soo.. the morals in that culture are wacked out cause of that religion. As a side note, my friend is a woman and she went to visit egypt. To make a long story short, she was almost kidnapped multiple times and tried to be sold at the bazaar for camel multiple times.. Are these all muslims NO BUT this is only ONE EXAMPLE amongst MANY other types she and my friend from JORDAN TOLD ME.