Why the west should fear muslims

Originally posted by xiphias
Here's the truth: the people who say any specific religion spreads separation and hate are actually the people who spread separation and hate. Their proof or sources are really just branches tied onto their idiot-tree.

Here's another truth: anyone who jumps from religion to crime to education (in that order) is a bigot in the making. They're just reaching for the rotten fruit on their idiot-tree.

And here's the last truth: a psycho is an idiot who didn't get body-checked the moment a stupid thought slipped out of his mouth.

I'm not asking you to agree with me. I'm telling you to Get Real.

Telling me? I'll make my own mind up and accept the dictat of no one!

Get real? My point was that in this Thread, only you have advocated death to those who do not agree with you.

And here is a Truth! I did not learn about the Islamic propensity to violence by reading newspapers or any 'propaganda'. My work brings me into contact with people from all over the world and the only ones who have ever threatened my life (if I did not over step my professional authority and do as I was told!!!!), were Moslems.

reply to post by maybereal11

Defence Minister cancels Islamic leader's speech

The Canadian Islamic Congress has declared that Israelis over the age of 18 are legitimate targets of suicide bombers

www.nationalpost.com...

reply to post by ollncasino


Oh come now, ollcasino! You resurrect this thread to post such nonsense? That statement is not true in any shape or form! Why are you letting yourself become part of the propaganda machine?

The CIC has done no such thing. The president of the congress in 2004 made a statement that all Israelis over the age of 18 (ie. soldiers) are justifiable targets of Palestinian attacks. He was condemned for this even by the muslim community in Canada. He later profusely apologised and offered his resignation, which was not accepted (he was fired).

Originally posted by babloyi
reply to post by ollncasino

 

Oh come now, ollcasino! You resurrect this thread to post such nonsense? That statement is not true in any shape or form!

The CIC has done no such thing. The president of the congress in 2004 made a statement that all Israelis over the age of 18 (ie. soldiers) are justifiable targets of Palestinian attacks.

Have you read what the president of the Canadian Islamic Congress (Elmasry) actually said?

I don't think you have.

The CIC website itself links to what he said so the following quote isn't open to debate. He also said it live on TV.

www.canadianislamiccongress.com...

www.montrealmuslimnews.net...
www.montrealmuslimnews.net...

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ELMASRY: No, but let me give an example, one example from European history. If you look, actually, in the resistance of the French against the Germans, they did the same thing. They blow up bridges. They did kidnap people; they assassinate people.

COREN: Who?

ELMASRY: The French. They assassinated soldiers and their collaborators, and French. French civilians.

COREN: But Mohammed, I think that's a rather tenuous argument. I mean I know little about the war and the French resistance and the lack of it, sadly, but there is no... I can't remember of one case where the French resistance, the Maquis (?) or even their allies, communist or Gaulist or nationalist, would go into a school where German children were and kill them all.

ELMASRY: That's why we saying that totally innocent people...

COREN: OK.

ELMASRY: ... and totally innocent people, obviously, is the children. But they are not innocent if they are part of a population which is total population of Israel is part of the army... From 18 on, they are part of the soldiers, even if they have civilian clothes.

COREN: So if Israeli children are killed, that is a valid use of military force by Palestinians?

ELMASRY: No, they are not valid...

COREN: So what are you saying?

ELMASRY: I'm saying that it has to be totally innocent, OK? Totally innocent are the children, obviously, OK? But they are not innocent if the army [inaudible] in civilian clothes, OK?

COREN: What about women?

ELMASRY: The same, if they are women in the army...

COREN: Anyone over the age of 18 in Israel is a valid target.

ELMASRY: Anybody above 18 is a part of the Israeli army...

COREN: So everyone in Israel and anyone and everyone in Israel, irrespective of gender, over the age of 18 is a valid target?

ELMASRY: Yes, I would say.


The then president of the Canadian Islamic Congress makes it very clear that "anyone and everyone in Israel, irrespective of gender, over the age of 18 is a valid target".

reply to post by ollncasino

Yes, I had read what was said, I double-checked it when I read your post. Lets compare the two, shall we?

What you said originally:

Originally posted by ollncasino
The Canadian Islamic Congress has declared that Israelis over the age of 18 are legitimate targets of suicide bombers

What you just said in your previous post:

Originally posted by ollncasino
The then president of the Canadian Islamic Congress makes it very clear that "anyone and everyone in Israel, irrespective of gender, over the age of 18 is a valid target".

You are still clouding the issue, because you're mixing tenses and saying "The then president... makes it very clear.

How about we make it very clear right now?
1) The CIC made no statement. The "then president" made it, and it is obvious he didn't speak for the CIC, considering that he was fired.
2) Nobody "has declared". It WAS STATED, some 6 years ago, by the "then president", of his own opinion (not reflecting the views of the CIC, as they "made it very clear"), which he then totally retracted and apologised for.
3) It was about general attacks, not suicide bombers. Suicide bombers WERE mentioned in the interview, but by the interviewer, and not by the interviewee.

You might try to say that I'm arguing semantics, but anyone with any reading comprehension can tell the vastly different stories your two statements were making.
I can't come to any other conclusion than that it was very foolish and alienating of the Defense Minister to do what he did, considering that the group was completely against terrorism.

Originally posted by babloyi
What you said originally:

Actually I quoted the newspaper directly and didn't edit it.

reply to post by ollncasino

Without any quotes or ex tags...not only a bit misleading, but also against the T&Cs of ATS, Anyhow, it is not surprising that the national post would quote such things...their animosity towards the CIC is hardly a secret.

At least we have established that that statement is a lie.

Originally posted by babloyi
Without any quotes or ex tags...not only a bit misleading, but also against the T&Cs of ATS

Could you direct me to the T&Cs of ATS so that my postings do not contravene their regulations?

Originally posted by babloyi
At least we have established that that statement is a lie.

The newspaper was being misleading by stating that

“The Canadian Islamic Congress has declared that Israelis over the age of 18 are legitimate targets of suicide bombers”

The President of the Canadian Islamic Congress however did confirm that he believed, when interviewed on live TV, that

“Everyone in Israel and anyone and everyone in Israel, irrespective of gender, over the age of 18 is a valid target”

www.montrealmuslimnews.net...

reply to post by ollncasino

Originally posted by ollncasino
Could you direct me to the T&Cs of ATS so that my postings do not contravene their regulations?

No problem!
Check out the Terms and Conditions of Use, item number 15c. You can also access the T&C by clicking on the 4th link under the HELP section that shows at the bottom of every page on ATS. For some extra information, you may also want to check out this thread.

Originally posted by ollncasino
The newspaper was being misleading by stating that

“The Canadian Islamic Congress has declared that Israelis over the age of 18 are legitimate targets of suicide bombers”

The President of the Canadian Islamic Congress however did confirm that he believed, when interviewed on live TV, that

“Everyone in Israel and anyone and everyone in Israel, irrespective of gender, over the age of 18 is a valid target”

Yes, I agree that that is a far more accurate assessment.

Originally posted by babloyi
Check out the Terms and Conditions of Use, item number 15c. You can also access the T&C by clicking on the 4th link under the HELP section that shows at the bottom of every page on ATS. For some extra information, you may also want to check out this thread.

Thanks for that. So I should be using the "ex tag", which looks like

quoted text in here

Just testing!

Cheers

You guys really do not understand Islam do you.Islam was spread by the sword and it continues to do so(please look at the saudi flag.the symbol of a peaceful religion?)Muslims once they reach past 10%of the population,problems begin .let me put it this way
At 1% muslims are seen as a colourful minority not a threat to anyone which is why they are underestimated.
USA-1%
Australia-1.5%
Canada1.8%
At 2-3% they start to recruit and convert the disaffected members of society such as prisoners and gang members.They also bring family members from abroad to swell their population
U.k 2.7%
Denmark 2%
Germany 3.5%
At 5% they start demmanding halal foods and issue threats if you dont comply
Sweden 5%
Switzerland 5%
Netherlands 6%
At between 7% and 20%muslims see themselves strong enough to start challenging government.Demmands for sharia law start.Anyone who dares criticise islam is faced with death threats.Muslims congregate in their own neighbourhoods where sharia reigns supreme.Lawlessness begins
France 8%
Phillipines 7%
Kenya10%
India14%
Russia 15%
Israel16%
At 20-40%expect hair-trigger attacks,jihad millitia formation and church and synagogue bombings
Ethopia 32%
Eritrea35%
The worst violence happens at the 40-60%mark.Expect widespread massacres,chronic terror attacks and internal jihads as muslims try to take control.
Bosnia 40%
Nigeria 49%
lebanon 52%
Chad 53%
At 6O%Expect widespread persecution of non beleivers,use of sharia law as a weapon.Imposition of Jizya(tax on non beleivers)genocide and ethnic cleansing
Sudan 70%
Malaysia 65%
Albania 70%
at above 80% expect state sponsored genocide of religious minorities
Egypt 82%
Syria 90%
Iran 92%
Pakistan 95%
Iraq97%
At 100%There is supposed to be peace
Saudi Arabia100%
But of course muslims start looking for other reasons to start fighting all over again
Somalia 100%
Yemen 99.9%
Afghanistan 100%
Islam is a religion of war