Why the west should fear muslims

Originally posted by Mobius1974

BUT... The muslim extremists need to be chopped up in little pieces and fed to pigs!!!

How do we identify them?

Law enforcement not doing their job? Is that what you're saying?

You're not saying that we should presume all Muslims/people who look Arabic should be singled out somehow for vetting and trial are you? To identify those you deem extremist?

What would make you happy in regard to this entire situation? What is it that makes you so uncomfortable? That any one of them might behead you at any moment?

By they way, most people of Asian culture and upbringing won't "look you in the eye." It's considered rude. Maybe this is a similar cultural thing that makes YOU uncomfortable enough to create a story around?

Originally posted by General.Lee
reply to post by Magnum007

 

Perhaps you would be interested in this:

Islam: What the West Need to Know

It's that attitude of "tolerance" that makes us vulnerable to further terrorist attacks and the destruction. Yes, there may be some "peaceful" ones out there. In other words, they aren't actively strapping on bombs and killing themselves. If that were the case, they'd all be dead. That doesn't imply that they aren't onboard with what their "leaders" are doing.

[edit on 15-8-2010 by General.Lee]

Everyone who read this thread should see this video. Thanks for posting i

if fear is the cage- knowledge is the key..
being reasonably bright, i have very few fears-
when i encounter fear- i study on it and put fear in its place.
usually in the dumpster. because i dont live in fear-
when i was 5 and wandered off to make tracks in the snow,
fell into an open cesspool, barely crawled my way out.
my first encounter with fear..properly channeled
it with save your butt. but i dont allow fears to be foisted on me-
about pandemics or mexicans or muslims..narco gangs etc..
or fear about death- i been on borrowed time since i was five.
and duckin the collection agent all the while..
final answer- dont choose to live in fear.
or spread it around like a jerk.

reply to post by ~Lucidity


I am thinking ---- Something like a mass mailer/email just asking them to identify themselves. Maybe at sporting events ...asking them to raise their hand if they consider themselves "radical"


Or .. Run in a mosque ...yell out "Terrorists just shot down 2 american passenger planes"...
Gauge the reactions:

Cheer = bullet to face
Smile = bullet to face

I will get my racist "think tank" together again tonight to try and concrete a solid method for singling them out..


My sarcasm will be lost on many.... I really dont know how to weed them out.. I hope they just all decide to arm themselves and fight as a recognizable army...

I think we are confusing some issues here. The OP is making reference to what the Muslim population is doing to Norway. The thread has turned into how evil Christians used to be and all Muslims are evil, or your a bigot for saying anything negative about Muslims whatsoever. Radical Islam isn't representative of all Muslims.

In 2006 there were just over 6600 terror attacks reported. More than half were done by Muslims. Now do most Muslims support terrorist attacks? I don't believe so. Studies show that the poor Muslims are LESS likely to support terror as well, contrary to what's been said in this thread. Pew Research surveyed 6 Muslim countries, and they do a ton of unbiased research. What they found was :

Morrocco-56% thought suicide bombers against westerners in a muslim country were justified. 49% of Jordanians agreed. 49% in Lebanon, 29% in Pakistan, 24% in Turkey and 26% in Indonesia. IN Pakistan and Jordan more than 50% supported Bin Laden's actions. Indonesia and Morrocco are 36% and 26%. While Lebanon and Turkey are both under 6%.

Here's a scary one. Ever wonder what percentage of muslims in those countries support suicide bombings against civillian targets? The low number is 47% and the high is 81%.

Of the folks folks who supported terrorism the numbers on male and female supporters were within 5% of each other. Those under 35 yrs old and those over 35 were almost equal.

Now here's the difference between Arab Muslims and those living in America. Unlike most of Europe's Muslim population, American Muslims are mostly mainstream, well educated, middle class and well integrated. 76% of American Muslims are concerned over Islamic extremism compared to 81% of the US population. 78% percent say suicide bombings are never justified. Only 1% thinks the suicide bombings are justified. 7% say its sometimes justifiable.

Since the sharia movement in Iran resurfaced more than 2000 women have been lynched. Many, many homosexuals have been hung as well.

People talk about Christianity and it's bloody history. Yep it's true. And it's wrong. But it's called evoloution. You simply don't see Christians, Jews, Hindus, Bhudists or any other religous group killing civillians in the the name of (insert god here). If you do please let me know. Sure they gripe about homosexuals and abortion, but don't all religons?

I can understand why folks may feel the way they do about European Muslims. Or Arab Muslims. But lumping US Muslims into that group is a mistake. There are so few radical muslims here it's not worth mentioning. But people have the tendency to generalize so they are lumped in with the Arab Muslims. And they simply don't believe in the same things.

Now if you want to be nervous about Iran, who's president makes it clear he wants to wipe out Jews and Christians, gays, anyone who isn't Sharia Compliant... THat's one thing. If you are concerned about those 6 muslim countries where 47%-81% support suicide bombings, I get that too. TO the people who are calling the folks here who are afraid of Muslims, can you really blame them? YOur talking about 6 countries where the majority of the population feels that suicide bombings against westerners is a good thing. That isn't exactly a small group. In America where 1% think it's a good thing vs 81% in one of the countries.

And most countries of the world do not hold a favorable view of Muslims. It's in the 40-50% range. Now if you go to the Muslim countries and look for favorable opinions of christians its in the 20-25% range save lebanon which is over 90%. On jews it's bad. 0% in Lebanon and Jordan. Under 8% in Morrocco and Pakistan. And under 20% in the others. There are some countries polled who have a 100% prejudice against Jews.

The view of Islam as a religon is not relevant. The view of Christianity or judiasm is not relevant. The important thing is the view of the people and what they believe. Almost all American Muslims denounce terrorism. In Europe there is still a large percentage of the Muslim population that supports it.About 15%.

There is a clear difference between the Muslims in western countries and the Arab Muslims as far as their belief structure. According to the surveys 4x+ Arab Muslims support terrorism as opposed to their western counterparts.

So how do we learn to differentiate? SHould a distinction be made between western Muslims and arab muslims? I think so. Their views on terrorism are so distinctly different that you can't put both groups together. American Muslims are actually more likely to be antiterrorist than the average american. And 85% of the European Muslims despise it as well. In one Muslim country again you had 81% support. They aren't the same. The environment breeds different beliefs.

So if your in AMerica only .8% of the population is Muslim and 1% of those support terrorism. Odds are the Muslims you see are fine upstanding Americans. In Norway 65000 muslims reside. And 15% of those support terrorism. So your Muslim population is 1% of your total and 15% of that 1% support terror. Odds are the Muslims you see are fine people as well. On Oslo crime, 99% of serious roberies go unsolved. 11,033 crimes were reported and only 80 were solved. The crime rate is 4x higher than NYC. Yikes. I can see why he has that opinion.

Lastly, since 9/11 there have been 15,833 terrorist attacks by Muslims. THat's an average of about 5 per day. While most Muslims are wonderful people, I don't know any extremists at all, there is a large part of the Muslim population that do support terrorism. Looking at the stats it's probably about 30% globally. No other religon can claim a rate that high. SO if almost 1/3rd of a group supports terrorism does that mean you can generalize the religon? No. You form an opinion of people as individuals just like a court.To group them together is wrong. But to ignore that a majority of the Arab Muslims support terror is wrong as well. YOu can dismiss that many people thinking something so heinous is ok.

Just stats. My personal belief is that the environment in the middle east along with the extremist stance of many of the religous leaders there creates an interperetation of Islam which isn't true to the religon. And that's a shame. Because when you have that many people supporting terror, it's bound to give the good ones a bad rap.

To fix this it's going to take strong Muslim leaders who believe in the true nature of the religon standing up to the extremists, which aren't really extreme in the Middle East, they are mainstream. And these good Muslims need to fight and take there religon back in the heart of the Muslim world. Once that is accomplished, the support for terrorism in the middle east will dwindle. But if you aren't willing to stand up to the extremist majority in the middle east, and being as they are the most vocal members if the Muslim population, don't get offended if people have a negative view of Islam. Especially if you aren't doing anything to improve. If you sit on your butt and let the terrorists run the show, then you are condoning their actions. It's just like here in America where some of us are fighting to protect our constitution while most simply sit around and complain about the state of things.

And please don't take this as antimuslim. I'm anything but. But the facts are the facts. And bringing up things that happened 700 years ago done by Christians, Muslims or anyone else is irrelevant. The current state of things matters. And the facts are that most of the Muslim base in the Middle East supports terrorism. WHile in the US there is almost no support of it and in Europe there is about 15% support. IF you don't like it, change it.

pewresearch.org...

[edit on 16-8-2010 by DrJay1975]

reply to post by Acharya


Gotta suppport you, here!!! ISLAM, is OPENLY, a violent religion. The koran (yea, i deliberatly spelled it, the way AMERICANS spelled it, before PC!!), PLAINLY says, "lying to "outsiders", is fine". ANYTHING, to get their way, established- then- Sharia Law. Ask ANY Spainard, how THAT went??? Convert, or the sword?? YOUR choice. Sure- christianity, did that- 800 years ago! NOT TODAY!
GET REAL.
GET YOUR HEAD, OUT of your REAR.
Accept reality- NOT P.C.!
Hey, Mohammad- bite me!!!

If this thread gets to the front page, I'm never going to post on this site again.

I used to enjoy visiting this site.

But now almost every day, I see more new threads of intolerance and prejudice against muslims.

It's embarrassing.

I don't want to be associated with that.

Who gave this thread a star and a flag?

You should be ashamed. If these are the kind of the things you agree with and like to read, then maybe you're on the wrong site.

Originally posted by ~Lucidity

Originally posted by Mobius1974

BUT... The muslim extremists need to be chopped up in little pieces and fed to pigs!!!

How do we identify them?

If they are trying to harm you,
or harm themselves,
they are crazy.

Law enforcement not doing their job?

You're not doing your job.

Universal Declaration of Human Rights
Article 3
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

Right means legally supported ability.

You have the ability to live, be free, and secure your person.

Is that what you're saying?

Secure your person!
Defend! Attack!
do what keeps you safe.

You're not saying that we should presume all Muslims/people who look Arabic should be singled out somehow for vetting and trial are you? To identify those you deem extremist?

Absolutely false!

This is not a genetic virus,
it is a memetic virus.

Any homo-sapien can be infected with a Suicide Virus,
Emo and "choking game" are Western Suicide Viruses.

What would make you happy in regard to this entire situation?

That we fortify our abilities.
And remember our heritage,
of people with physical bodies,
that require sustenance liberty and security,
in order to live healthy fulfilled safe lives.

What is it that makes you so uncomfortable?

Nordic genes are recessive,
and so require protection,
through pure gene pools.

Advocating using neo-tribalism,
to allow the preservation,
of this star being genome.

That any one of them might behead you at any moment?

Embrace your solid bodied allies,
the technology that we've developed.

You can carry your own Sword, Arm your body to be secure,
or at the very least a Survival Knife, full tang.

Can live in a geographical location,
that has a patrolled perimiter.

Can have robotic or solid bodied assistance.
Swedes are great at making robots,
can have ones that defend themselves.
If attacked by violent aggressors,
the aggressors are neutralized.

Let Islamic-Suicide-Paradise Meme-Virus fullfill it's parasitic wish,
to suicide through battle, convincing them they'll "go to paradise".

Remember that like all Suicide Memetic Viruses,
there be memetic treatments,
and people can be cured.
Restored to a healthy and sane state.

Here be a Suicide Virus Meme-Vaccine:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 16-8-2010 by lowki]

I only have to watch the 700 Club a few times for me to KNOW WITHOUT A DOUBT, that if Pat Robertson ran the country, then Climate Scientists who said there was global warming would be burned as witches.

The same people so afraid of how backwards Muslims are, are the same people who fought progress in America.

If you are so proud that American Christians are so free and tolerant - then you need to thank some Godless Liberal for forcing the country to move you that way.

If it weren't for Activist Judges, Hippies and Unitarians, this country would only be one funny accent away from being the Taliban.

Originally posted by SeaWind
reply to post by Acharya

 

Acharya, you are very brave to post honestly here. ATS has disinfo agents who support the NWO agenda -- which includes supporting Islam as a totalitarian control tool.

I don't know if you've read "The Truth about Muhammad" by Robert Spencer. Spencer has had so many death threats for daring to tell the truth.

Thanks for sharing your experiences here. Sadly, it's NOT surprising and it will only get worse.

SeaWind

Thanks, Seawind, I have added the book to my "must read"-list.

reply to post by Patriotgal

Originally posted by Patriotgal
reply to post by Acharya

 

Gotta suppport you, here!!! ISLAM, is OPENLY, a violent religion. The koran (yea, i deliberatly spelled it, the way AMERICANS spelled it, before PC!!), PLAINLY says, "lying to "outsiders", is fine". ANYTHING, to get their way, established- then- Sharia Law. Ask ANY Spainard, how THAT went??? Convert, or the sword?? YOUR choice. Sure- christianity, did that- 800 years ago! NOT TODAY!
GET REAL.
GET YOUR HEAD, OUT of your REAR.
Accept reality- NOT P.C.!
Hey, Mohammad- bite me!!!

My, my, my. How very uninformed you are of Islam and the "Koran" (it seriously makes not the slightest difference how you spell it, it isn't even an english word). Tell me, WHERE does it 'PLAINLY says, "lying to "outsiders", is fine"'? Because I'm calling you out on that piece of misinformation.

Wow, how many of you live in Norway? It's a sad day when someone tries to educate folks with facts and they just call them names. Do you SEE with your own eyes, what's going on in Norway? I can't beleive how many posts I read that are staright close minded anwseres. In America, right now our immigration problem is from the South and right now in Norway it's Muslims. In America, I went to an all white school for a while and I never had any problems/fights and I was always able to do my work. As soon as I went to a more "mixed" school, the more problems there was, teachers spent more time bickering with students and less time teahcing, plus more fights I got into, because I didn't let them "punk" me. So please, know what the f*** you talk of before you speak. I can totally see what this guy is talking about. The muslims want their cake and eat it to and hes saying nah no cake for you and I agree. HORDE THE CAKE...

Originally posted by SinkingSun
I am from Switzerland and know just how it is. The weird thing is, it seems like some conspiracy how Muslim immigrants are so openly welcomed in such a large quantity when everyone knows it is causing tons of social and political problems, not to mention the raised rates of crime.

One problem in Norway is that we are governed by socialists; at the base of the socialist philosophy is that everyone is born with the same potential, and that any quantifiable difference is only due to the environment the person lives in. This unproven political philosophy causes the socialists to try to re-educate or re-program immigrants and criminals. When it fails they tell themselves that "we must do something wrong" and they build luxary prisons, creates even more lenient laws, and provides even more benefits, because surely it must be the method that is wrong and not the philosophy. How arrogant of them to think that 5-10 years of integration attempts from a bunch of socialists can remove the indoctrination and programming of a 1,500 year old religion. A religion that if you leave will mean death or being shunned by your closest family, friends, and your entire social network. Conspiracy? I say stupidity or just plain naiveness.

[edit on 16-8-2010 by Acharya]

Originally posted by SeaWind

Originally posted by inforeal
reply to post by Acharya

 

Why don’t you directly answer me about your own lies?

The Quran itself and Muhammad has praised Christians and Muslims have lived with them throughout history. It also criticizes them. So what.
Muhammad never murdered anyone for their belief. To say such a thing is a lie.

Also, cetrtainly not all that history has been positive but to single out a group is bigotry of the worst and ignorant kind.


I challenge your heart and intelligence. It is wanting!


[edit on 15-8-2010 by inforeal]

Inforeal, here I was bopping thru this thread looking at all Islamophile trolls, until I came to your:

"Muhammad never murdered anyone for their belief. To say such a thing is a lie."

I'm looking at my old copy of the Koran (Qu'ran). It says here just after the intro:

627 AD "The Jewish tribe of Qurayza raided by Muhammad; some 800 men beheaded (only one Jew abjuring his religion to save his life) and all the women and children sold as slaves."

My copy was printed in 1972, translated by N.J. Dawood, an Iraqi Muslim.

Some books say only 700 Jewish men were beheaded at Qurayza.

A mass murderer who had people killed for refusing to accept him as a "True Prophet of God" invented this "religion."

SeaWind

Anyone that says Islam is a peaceful religion and that Mohammed did not kill anyone is uneducated or lying. The sources are in the Muslim holy books themselves. Ibn Ishaq writes that Muhammad approved the beheading of some 600-900 individuals from the Banu Qurayza who surrendered unconditionally after a siege that lasted several weeks.

There were 600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900. As they were being taken out in batches to the apostle they asked Ka`b what he thought would be done with them. He replied, 'Will you never understand? Don't you see that the summoner never stops and those who are taken away do not return? By Allah it is death!' This went on until the apostle made an end of them.

This is just one example, anyone spening some time can find more.

Islam is indeed a violent religion unlike others and we've seen it, weather some of you folks agree or not.


www.youtube.com...

Its not so much the muslims or any of the other Abrahamic faiths are violent and dangerous as it is those within the faiths that think they know what the message says and means.

When it is interpreted from the ego...the need to fear defend and conquer you distort and give the message from this position (fear, defend, conquer)

Also known as the reptilian brain (Feed Fight, Fear, Fornicate)

Originally posted by babybunnies
As a footnote, the amount of hate on ATS, and intolerance for anyone diffeerent from you is absolutely staggering.

I'm getting a lot closer to checking out of this site.

Islam is the worlds 2. biggest religion counting 1.5 billion people that says that "Islam is a peaceful religion", I'm just one person that says that it is not a peaceful religion at all. If anyone is intolerant of someone with a different opinion it is you towards me.

Originally posted by fapython

Originally posted by Tiger5
reply to post by Acharya

 

Have you every considered the moslem contribution to science. Do you know that moslems go to universitylike other people do. I do not deny there is social unrest. I am however against idiotic blanket-statements like you OP.

Do you know what the word "fundamentalist" means?

Muslim contribution to science is a point constantly raised by bleeding hearted liberals. How about doing some proper research for once and you will find they have not contributed much at all to the world of science.

Alot of what islam claims is theirs is actually either, translated from Latin and Greek texts or comes from ancient Persia.

Throughout history it is shown that cultures that focus on the freedom of the individual are the most productive in fields like science. Cultures does not tend to stagnate in most fields.

I still say most of ATSers really don't know what they are talking about because they have not studied the histories of the various Muslim factions involved. I am just starting to do this now so that I can really understand this whole mess. The history of the Muslim people as a whole is very deep and complicated.

hnn.us...

en.wikipedia.org...

You have two main factions, the Shiites and the Sunni's . One needs to understand these dynamics and what each faction believes to see why they may have extremists factions that spread hate. They each have their unique take on the Muslin holy books interpretations. Both have a history of violence especially to each other.

Both of these factions have extremists terrorists networks.

www.jcpa.org...

Yes, you can find statements in the Koran that say it is o.k. for a Muslim to lie and deceive people or even to murder. This is simply a fact that these things are written.

Some of these factions take these words literally as some take the bibles words literally. Other Muslims do not.

Not all Muslims are going to believe everything the Koran says just like all Christians do not believe everything the Bible says.

These issues are very far from black and white.

Originally posted by operation mindcrime
reply to post by Acharya

 

Hi Acharya,

the Netherlands (IQ:102) here...

I am going to leave the IQ remark for what it is because as you can see my country has an average IQ of 102 yet stupid people are all around me!!

But for the rest of your conclusions, being almost your neighbor, we are having the same problems over here as well. Hench why such figures as Geert Wilders are coloring our political landscape.

What he is trying to do (as are you) is convince everybody that this is some collective agenda held by Muslims across the world to infiltrate and take over....aka...spread fear. You are seeing the violence around you and it lines up with what you've heard.

Muslims believe that the quran is the literal word of god, not interpreted but literal; this means that every word is a command from god himself. That is why you rarely hear of liberal muslims because they will break the law of god by interpreting the quran. In the quran it is also commanded by god that the Islam rule should be over the whole earth, so you see that they believe that god commands them to take over the world. Thats the whole point of Jihad. Its not a conspiracy, it says so in the most holy book for a religion that 1.5 billion people believes in.

Originally posted by operation mindcrime
The facts are a bit different, I'm afraid....

Islam makes sense when it is in it's proper context ie. in a Muslim society everything around you complies with what you learn from your religion. Men and women are separated, men wear a beard etc. etc.

Now imagine being forced to leave the country. The first generation of immigrants did't have to much difficulty to hold on to their believes because they do not interact with their new society (or hardly). They just keep to them selfs and continue to practice their believes and values in the privacy of their own home or in small groups of like-minded.

Now imagine being born a son of this family. As a kid you will learn the morals and values of your religion and this shapes your world. Being immigrated to a European country you are expected to attend school, interact with society etc...This is where the trouble starts.

What is surprising is the fact that most Muslim girls and women are having no problems adapting and even using the system to get a higher education. (

).

It is once again the adolescent male scr*wing things up here. Religion is a wonderful excuse to condemn those things that you would/could never have (naked women, being gay, alcohol etc). So you hook up with like-minded adolescent Muslims and you express your disgust of this society.

If you are lucky, your society will have an Imam who holds a more radical view of the Islam and you will have conformation of your disgust. And of like with all groups of young men, the more radical you are (read: the more you dare) the cooler you are!!

Pffff....that was a lot. If you are still here, I would like to suggest that we move to a society similar to those of elephants. A matriarchal society where all young men, having problems restraining their hormones, will be shipped of to the Sahara or Siberia where they can choose from an array of weapons to survive the wilderness for a couple of years....have at it!!

And when you are done raging, you can come back to finally be a contribution to society instead of being a burden on society.

Just my 2 cents....

Peace

Its sad that the muslims wont integrate with western society, but the fault is their own. Countless western countries has tried to integrate them but their religion forbids it, the result is immigrant crime etc. The west has threated them kindly, but we get angry people wanting more, and hating us in return. It is not the west that has done them wrong, they have bitten the hand that welcomed and fed them when they were in need, and now we should throw them out of our house for good back into the ruins they came from.