Obama backs mosque near ground zero

reply to post by mishigas


What about all the Christian parents killing their kids because they didn't pray or because they thought prayer would change them?

The disease you speak isn't located with one faction or another-it is the disease of zealotry.

Simple concept: If you believe in the Constitution, if you are a Patriot. That means you stand up for the weak, it means you protect the rights of all-even those you dislike. Rights to practice in peace, rights to speak up and rights to a safe life to list a few.

The Constitution does not only protect Christians.

reply to post by mishigas


As I said, exceptions not the rule. I can post thousands of stories of equally heinous acts of insanity by non-Muslims.

reply to post by ~Lucidity


Once again Lucidity, You completely ignore the "where is the $100,000,000 coming from?" Don't you care?

reply to post by dreamwalker74


I addressed this with you earlier in the thread. You did not acknowledge.

In addition, neither you nor you chum neo explained to us how Sharia law trumps American law.

[edit on 8/15/2010 by ~Lucidity]

reply to post by lordtyp0


The people who kill their children, by not using modern medicine, because of their religion. Is the exact same as those who vilolently kill anybody they can who disagrees with their religion. No difference. I don't support either one. Why should you?

reply to post by ~Lucidity


I'm sorry, you actually acknowledged the entity who gave $100,000,000 to make this happen, I totally missed that. Once again, because I'm lazy, who was that specifically?

Originally posted by dreamwalker74
reply to post by lordtyp0

 

The people who kill their children, by not using modern medicine, because of their religion. Is the exact same as those who vilolently kill anybody they can who disagrees with their religion. No difference. I don't support either one. Why should you?

Uhm, I dont. However I also do not link the actions of those people with the group as a whole. When someone makes an extraordinary claim I read up on it. It is far too common anymore for the news to be pure sound bites and no facts. For example: This is what Obama said:

Speaking to a gathering at the White House Friday evening to observe the Islamic holy month of Ramadan, Obama said that he believes "Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as everyone else in this country."
"That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances," he said. "This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakable."

In other words, he was being a good and proper American by supporting it. Instead of seeing these things are they actually are, the illiterate hate machine is squealing "COMMIE MUSLIM" as loud as their toothless mouths will allow.

This behavior is so grotesquely childish as to be destructive. I feel so much pity for humanity knowing it will never change, and will probably drive the species to extinction with perpetual 'righteous' wars.

I know I said I'm done with this thread but I just had a last thought. You could actually kind of use this thread to perform an experiment on circular logic. For example, here's a typical exchange as I've seen it in this thread:

"Do you believe all Muslims are terrorists?"

"No, of course not. Ha, ha. I'm not bigoted!"

"Ok, then why is this mosque a bad idea?"

"Because it will teach Sharia law / insult the 9-11 victims (except for the Muslim victims, we don't count those) / help Muslims infiltrate our society and take over our country that isn't theirs and is only mine because I'm not Muslim and our Constitution only provides freedom of religion for Christianity, like Glenn Beck says."

"Isn't that the agenda of terrorists like Al Qaida?"

"Yes."

"Then didn't you just suggest that all Muslims ARE terrorist or in support of terrorism?"

"No, of course not. Ha, ha. I'm not bigoted!"

And, one more time around the circular logic wheel! Weeeeeeeee...

... Ok, I'm done. lol

reply to post by dreamwalker74


Again, scroll back a page or two and read what I said about there BEING no funding yet and then listen to the 8-minute audio I linked. Then we'll talk. Not a moment sooner.

reply to post by Magnus47

9/11 Families Group Announces Support for Islamic Cultural Center in Lower Manhattan

More here www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by ~Lucidity


Shhh. Careful, you might disrupt their circular logic! That wheel is spinning really fast right now, so watch out!

reply to post by lordtyp0


Unfortunately sir, you did just link the two, or you would not have brought it up as a comparison. All religeous madness is the same, period. The fact that you would stand behind one, while judging the other is humorous, though telling. When did you become so PC? Was it a matter of upbringing or environment? Im curious. I'm currently studying people just like you, who through a matter of personal belief and a PC upbringing would allow this country to be completely taken over, and you wish the best for the victor.

reply to post by Magnus47


Ok. Then where do you personally stop on your logic wheel?

Originally posted by dreamwalker74
reply to post by lordtyp0

 

Unfortunately sir, you did just link the two, or you would not have brought it up as a comparison. All religeous madness is the same, period. The fact that you would stand behind one, while judging the other is humorous, though telling. When did you become so PC? Was it a matter of upbringing or environment? Im curious. I'm currently studying people just like you, who through a matter of personal belief and a PC upbringing would allow this country to be completely taken over, and you wish the best for the victor.

What are you talking about?
I did link the two, because both are forms of psychotic behavior that are spawned by faith.
I was not supporting either: In fact I am anti religion as a whole and view zeolotry as the highest form of destructive urge as the person feels no sense of personal accountability.

reply to post by Magnus47

Naw...nothing disrupts it. Gets tedious, doesn't it?

Originally posted by dreamwalker74
reply to post by Magnus47

 

Ok. Then where do you personally stop on your logic wheel?

How about the part where you, knowing next to nothing about the Muslim religion, assume that all mosques demand Sharia law, or the part where you think the Muslim 9-11 victims somehow don't matter, or the part where you think Americans who follow the Muslim faith are not actually Americans at all, therefore explaining your description of "them" taking over "our" country, when any TRUE American would say that this is as much their home as it is mine?

Yes, that's about where I would stop my wheel. Right about there.

And, by the way...

Originally posted by dreamwalker74
Way to avoid questions, Communist or not?

Now it's Communism?? Lol!

I'm a patriotic American, who not only believes in the constitution but am an acctive foe of all those who would tear down my country. Including those who would build a mosque on a gravesite.

Lol!

I'm not religeous in the slightest though I believe in a supreme being.

LOL! Ok, you HAVE to admit that's pretty funny.

I believe in a world run for the citizens by the citizens.

Except for the muslim and communist citizens? Lol!

I believe in complete information disclosure to all citizens of the world, and I believe in absolutely no government control, unless it helps somebody who could by no other means help themselves.

For example, having the government step in and tell us where we can and cannot build religious structures, and tell us what kinds of religions can be followed in certain areas, because this is something we need "help" with.

L....O.....L

[edit on 15-8-2010 by Magnus47]

reply to post by dreamwalker74


Here's where I personally stop on your logic wheel. Radical Muslims have attacked a major U.S. city, have killed thousands of U.S. citizens. Yet only ten years later, they want to put a mosque, led by a questionable Imam, who is getting $100,000,000 in support from "unknown sources", on a site where thousands died because of a direct result of radical islamists. That stopped my "logic wheel" right there.

The most ironic thing to me is how this "movement" against the "Ground Zero Mosque" is made up of people who are "against" it for 100 different reasons. For some it's sheer bigotry or maybe even racism. For others pure ignorance of the facts. Some simply think it's insensitive. In others we see fear or maybe anger or outrage. For some it's religious. Still others are opposed on sheer emotion. Some do it for political reasons. Some are doing it to sell books or make money on speaking fees. And they all have this nice convenient rallying point, maybe not even realizing what others who are on the same "side" are doing here.

For example, someone "against" the building of the center may be against it out of pure sadness for the 9/11 families, maybe not even realizing that not all the 9/11 families are opposed. Good-hearted, well-intentioned people are finding themselves on the same side of the argument with those who truly hate or are doing this for religious reasons, without even realizing what's going on. That's one of the thing that really sucks about this.

[Edit to change "hilarious" to "ironic" because that's what I really meant and because it's not funny at all.]

[edit on 8/15/2010 by ~Lucidity]

Originally posted by dreamwalker74
reply to post by dreamwalker74

 

Here's where I personally stop on your logic wheel. Radical Muslims have attacked a major U.S. city, have killed thousands of U.S. citizens. Yet only ten years later, they want to put a mosque, led by a questionable Imam, who is getting $100,000,000 in support from "unknown sources", on a site where thousands died because of a direct result of radical islamists. That stopped my "logic wheel" right there.

And as a result, we attacked a nation that had nothing to do with 9/11 and cause the deaths and diaspora of millions of their people and installed a billion dollar embassy as a shrine to our victory. Maybe we're even. Your logic wheel is off the tracks.

And again spewing your unfounded funding talking points. Tsk tsk.

reply to post by Magnus47


Wow your replies to my post got more and more explanitory as you went along. LOL was my personal favorite. Didn't want to touch it at all or argue an intelligent debate? Why go through the time? Why not just BHTPPHHHHHH!!!!! And be done with it, it would amount to the same. If you are not willing to intellectually take on the post, why even break it down? You could just quote one over all sound effect for the entire post. LOL. Yeah I take back the LOL don't want to sound like a complete tool.