Do you believe the Roswell official explanation?

Originally posted by A51Watcher

...Not a bad thought.

Except for the fact that Roswell was not a single incident.


You see there were thousands of sightings all across the country for weeks before and after Roswell.

Multiple craft doing several thousand mph and cutting corners on a dime.


Sorry... time for a new theory.

edit on 11-10-2011 by A51Watcher because: the usual

Regarding "after," this is from an article on the NICAP site "Estimate of the Situation: 2007," by Francis Ridge, NICAP Site Coordinator, mentioning that the flap came to a sudden halt right after the crash.

www.nicap.org...

In regard to Category 10, very briefly, soon after we dropped two atomic bombs on 200,000 people and then started working on new delivery systems from captured German V-2's, the UFO waves began. According to documents secured under the FOIA, the sightings occurred over secret bomb design and production facilities, then shifted to bomb storage areas. In the summer of 1947, in a six week period, there were thousands of sightings in the United States (Ted Bloecher catalogued 853 cases and about half were daylight disc sightings) that came to a sudden halt with the reported crash of a UFO a Roswell, New Mexico.

Regarding "after," this is from an article on the NICAP site "Estimate of the Situation: 2007," by Francis Ridge, NICAP Site Coordinator, mentioning that the flap came to a sudden halt right after the crash.

Pretty worthless quote, considering all the public newspaper and official sighting reports "after" the 'crash'. I have them in my possession and have posted many of them in my thread.

It would appear poor Francis stated that without being up to speed on current events.

I guess he should be shown the raw data and a graph, which is pretty much what he apparently tried to base that statement on, citing a source.

reply to post by xpoq47


Yes I'm sure it was based on data available to him, I don't suspect dark motives for him doing so. A few extra words like "it appears" (the flap ended) would have given him an out, now he just looks like an ignorant blowhard proclaiming grand theories and statements as fact that are demonstrably false.

Once again proving the merits of personal investigation over taking someones word for it, or someone's web site.

(If you happen to email him, tell him 'it appears' the sightings began in May and ended in September)

I don't know the details on Ted Bloecher's data, but it would be nice to have rated reports, to give less weight to products of "yellow journalism," etc. And I don't know if his statement is even true to that available data set. But as accurate an assesment of this point as possible would be good to have, even looking at multiple data sets (newspaper reports, military) considering what it may imply.

reply to post by xpoq47


Quite easy to rate the reports yourself. Contact the people in your area listed. Many are still alive.

The policemen in my area state that their reports (printed in the newspaper) are 100% accurate. So do many others.

How can you believe an ever changing official explanation??? You know the real story is more believable then the cover ups they have used...

The list of Blue Book unknowns is so sparce it's almost useless in this regard, but it does loosely fall into the pattern he suggested could be found in that much larger data set. And living overseas, I can't really be a U.S. boots-on-the-ground investigator.

psychicinvestigator.com...

Yes i do believe Roswell is true for if it was not then why change the story from a unidentified craft to a weather ballon. All the witnesses telling the same story can not be wrong.

The big kicker is that if it was either ours, or an enemy test, etc., it wouldn't have been continuously classified for over 50 years....(and, even if it was, then in the Final Report, they would have owned up to it and squashed the story).

In fact, that would have been better than sticking with the established MOGUL explanation, at least better for them...if they could point to a US or enemy rocket/missile, etc.

Instead, they try to explain away bodies with a project that didn't even happen until 5 yrs AFTER the Roswell incident. They would have been better off just dismissing those claims, instead of getting caught in that lie.

So, we are left with one of two things...either it was MOGUL, and the military and townspeople are all idiots or liars (which, by sheer statistics, is highly improbable)...or something extraordinary was recovered that wasn't made by us or our enemies.

Do I believe the official report? Uh, in a single word, NO!!!!!

reply to post by Gazrok

Instead, they try to explain away bodies with a project that didn't even happen until 5 yrs AFTER the Roswell incident. They would have been better off just dismissing those claims, instead of getting caught in that lie.

I agree they shouldn't have bothered trying to explain stories of bodies after all how can you provide an explanation to lies like that of Frank Kaufman?

The military never claimed the dummies happened in 1947 although you seem to be saying they did. They said people could be confusing the dummies from the early 1950s and conflating/merging them with the roswell story. theres only a few years between them and recollecting over decades has shown to be prone to error.

Marcel couldnt even remember what year he claimed to have recovered the debris. He told stan friedman " sometime in the 1940s" amazing to think that someone who thought they had ET material wouldnt even remember the year. If it was me i think i would remember the year,month,date & time. Its not something you would easily forget is it?

Originally posted by Gazrok
The big kicker is that if it was either ours, or an enemy test, etc., it wouldn't have been continuously classified for over 50 years....(and, even if it was, then in the Final Report, they would have owned up to it and squashed the story).

Oh yes they do, they have a reason. In WW2 the so called 'foo fighters' which could likely be these new secret additions in the war were seen then. Who says governments are transparent today? This is still Cold War, unofficial, and when WW3 starts I'm sure these will be seen again, then 'It's just lights that casually appear during World Wars' 'right',

So many of these do not suggest ETs. So your argument that they don't have a reason is invalid, especially if these are highly effective weapons or aircraft.

reply to post by Imtor


Highly effective..???

So, your argument is that these 1947 craft were so advanced and special, that they still need to be classified and covered up today, in 2011?

THAT is your argument? Ok, sure....

Stealth aircraft hasn't even remained under wraps that long, and I guarantee you, we had nothing like stealth back in 1947. If we had such bewildering craft in 1947, why even bother with other advances like stealth?

That's even more fantastical than the idea of ET interstellar craft...that we'd have such an advanced craft in the 40's, and not somehow introduced the technology gradually into the private sector. Give me ONE defense contractor that would agree to THAT,

The more convensional the aircraft, the more secret it would be. Stealth compared to what some think is alien UFOs is like comparing a civil airplane to a Stealth fighter.

Hah it is even unarguable military/govs are hiding technology. Are you saying they do not hide anything, they would tell us every single piece of discovery or weapon they make? And risk having the technological advantage when a new war comes? That's very naive to think

Oh and yes, what is so incredible in having a more advanced technology 60 years ago? Of course if they still have something more special than today's they will not reveal it even in another 50 years.

Apparently you don't know how human nature works.

reply to post by Imtor


Apparently you don't know how the defense industry works. Having grown up around it (Lockheed brat), I've got a pretty good working knowledge of it...

Hah it is even unarguable military/govs are hiding technology. Are you saying they do not hide anything, they would tell us every single piece of discovery or weapon they make? And risk having the technological advantage when a new war comes? That's very naive to think

What I'm saying, is that they don't hide technology for half a decade (because by then, it's obsolete). There has been NO other example for you to use as a benchmark. ALL designs that were (at the time of their development) state of the art, eventually become obsolete as new and better things are developed. It is the simple way of things. When the U-2 came out, it was untouchable...30 years later, it's mothballed in museums.

That's just the way it is. However, you are suggesting that we had a craft so advanced, in 1947, that it would still warrant classification as top secret. That assertion is absurd, as there is simply no basis for the argument, no other example of any such tech, in any other area of military development.

30 years ago, the military's top tech was likely about 20 years more advanced than known technology... 20 years ago, was likely about 15 years more advanced...and that gap has been shrinking. The idea that some kind of tech developed over 60 years ago would still be classified...is ludicrous in the extreme.

Originally posted by A51Watcher

...Not a bad thought.

Except for the fact that Roswell was not a single incident.
You see there were thousands of sightings all across the country for weeks before and after Roswell.
Multiple craft doing several thousand mph and cutting corners on a dime.
Sorry... time for a new theory.

Yeah, but you can't just lump all the sightings together as some big ball of "proof." Each one of the individual sightings has to be investigated, verified, and then some kind of association drawn between them and Roswell other than time. Good luck with that.

reply to post by Imtor


One of the longest held secret crafts in the US military history is the F-117 Nighthawk (Stealth Fighter). It's first flight was in 1977, yet it wasn't really a publicly well-known plane until 1989-91 (depending on how closely one paid attention)...

So, this craft was kept secret for over 11 years...pretty impressive. (the U-2 was only secret for about 5 years, since it was shot down in 1960, 5 years after its first flight...)

That 11 years though, is a far cry from the 60 you're suggesting, to keep a terrestrial technology craft a secret. If it was our craft (that would be still classified after so many years), we'd have never even had any craft shot down since. If it was someone elses, we'd all be speaking that nation's language by now...

Hey, I don't know if anybody else brought this up but I just thought about it and decided I should share.

It's basically what causes me to doubt most alien visitation and government cover-up theories.

Even if our governments wish, for whatever reason to hide their existence from us, why would they?

I don't think that that such an advanced civilization, that can visit us and study us like lab rats or whatever, would bother with institutions such as puny native "governments". They'd just see a bunch of apes with some sort of intricate cultural civilization going on and some strange internal divisions and understandings and not much else. And contrary to what most of our American friends are almost bred to believe, they would most probably deal with us as a whole and probably won't land their esteemed delegation on the backyard of the White House.

So, as far as Roswell is concerned I'm more inclined to believe that it was some Cold War military cover-up of some incident involving classified military equipment more than anything else.

Even if our governments wish, for whatever reason to hide their existence from us, why would they?

It's an excellent question. There are many possible answers, and any could be the reason, or it could be something we can't even guess at.

The big one for me, is that they simply may not know what to make of them. They could be completely in the dark about their motives, abilities, etc., and to go public with that, would force us to ask...well, who needs them then? (them being the government)...

Another could be that they were threatened to keep quiet or else.

We really don't know, all we can do is speculate.