Do you believe the Roswell official explanation?

I have always wondered on both sides, what if? What if it really was some type of military testing/equipment falling to earth or, an actual alien craft with occupants? In my opinion, there is more evidence that takes one down the road of UFOs & aliens than the warm fuzzy confident feeling one gets when you just know the truth is what you just heard or read. My opinion though so who knows....

Do you believe that an alien craft crashed with it's occupants at Roswell?

Or,

Do you believe the official Air Force report?

Either way is cool and there shouldn't be any snipes or crap like that going on. I have just always wondered how many believe. In their own way.

reply to post by mikelee


Well there were, I think, 3 official versions of which I believe none...

There was always to much coverup involved.

Honestly, not entirely. I'm a little torn.

It makes sense that some "top secret" project crashed unexpectedly and was so hush hush out of "national security."

But at the same time, so many correlating and detailed accounts of what went on there were reported with many people stepping forward to attest to the "E.T" origin of the incident.

The reason I tend to believe the official explanation has merit is that, lets just say, some top secret military aircraft were to crash in rural America (or any quaint area in the world, really) and was initially "discovered" by the public.

The craft may look like NOTHING we, the public, have ever seen before. Especially if it was unmanned. I could totally see how it could be misconstrued as being "alien."

That argument right there is the main reason I tend to go along with the official explanation.

Although I will say it is tough for me to write off arguably the incident that started UFOlogy.

I think if an alien craft really crashed, and bodies were really recovered, it would be the biggest secret in human history. And as I believe human beings to be imperfect creatures, I have NO IDEA how more compelling evidence was never leaked over the years to attest to the claims.

It makes me think E.T was never to blame.

To take my thoughts a bit further, I kind of speculate that if you subscribe to the notion that Roswell WAS indeed the crashing of E.T craft and the recovery of E.T lifeforms, you kind of have to subscribe to the belief of an NWO or Illuminati conspiracy as well. Reason being, I have no idea how the United States Government could do such a tremendous job of damage control. The US Government isn't as tight-lipped and infallible as many people perceive. Secrets always trickle out, and people are always ready to blow the whistle, especially today.

I feel like if something of that magnitude actually happened at Roswell, it would've came out in a big way at some point.

So yes, although I still have some reserves, I buy the official explanation.

reply to post by mikelee


I was here many of the years before the Roswell story broke worldwide. I can guarantee that there was no official plan by town council, the mayors, or business people to promote the story.

It was like a nickname that stuck and the town embraced it.

reply to post by chorizo4


Thats nice of ya to let us know that Thanks!

Quite honestly I believe the first statement released by the Air Force claiming to have a "flying disc". Everything the Air Force has done since in regards to Roswell has been like watching a dog chase it's tail.

But the rest of the explanations were pure comic gold! Balloons, mannequins, ect...

Almost as good as saying in Project Blue Book that most UFO cases were explained by people seeing Venus!!

reply to post by mikelee


Dear mikelee

Do you believe the Roswell official explanation?. YES but which one????

The official story broke on July the 8th 1947 from Coronal Blanchard that the RAAF had recovered a flying disc. Blanchard went on to become a 4 star general.

On the next day the cover up began.

Originally posted by bphi1908
Quite honestly I believe the first statement released by the Air Force claiming to have a "flying disc". Everything the Air Force has done since in regards to Roswell has been like watching a dog chase it's tail.

But the rest of the explanations were pure comic gold! Balloons, mannequins, ect...

Almost as good as saying in Project Blue Book that most UFO cases were explained by people seeing Venus!!

I have always thought too that the first report was the correct one

Think of how long it took to print a paper in that day. And you'll understand the time they had to switch it before it went to print. There were two many people that were too scared to say anything because of being intimidated or coerced. I cinched it with the Ramey note being somewhat deciphered enough to get key words out of it. I thought that was a breakthrough.

reply to post by MAC269



I think this speaks for itself as in the original thread post.

In my opinion, there is more evidence that takes one down the road of UFOs & aliens than the warm fuzzy confident feeling one gets when you just know the truth is what you just heard or read. My opinion though so who knows....

If it still isn't clear, I believe aliens crashed there that day and the only report I believe is the first one stating that a disc had been found.


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[edit on 8/11/2010 by mikelee]

Since the military released so many official explanations for one incident it is obvious to me that the first newspaper report was the true one..

The truth doesn't ever need to have several new completely different explanations like what they have done with the roswell story.. Just like other posters have mentioned..

Roswell was the only place in the world at the time that had the latest missile technology, very high powered RADAR, and nuclear weapons in the same area. likely to be of top interest to alien visitors I would think...

The evidence I have seen indicates to me an extraterrestrial origin for the incident, in my opinion..

And I had a friend of the family that passed away in 1999 who was stationed there at the time of the incident and he confirmed it as alien.. just his comments to me alone is all I need to believe it, although that doesn't prove it to anyone else..

i truly believe that a craft of unknown origin did crash and was retrieved, and that for the safety of the populace, that a story be told.

In other words yes a ufo did crash, and was recovered, and the incident was white washed, swept under the rug, and we the people lied to.

reply to post by mikelee


I don't believe that it was a weather balloon .

I would come closer to believing that it might have been some top-secret craft that the general public would not have recognized .

I recall reading that at least one of the witnesses , Jesse somebody , told of seeing strange 'hieroglyphs' on parts of the construction . This could have very well been russian or some other earth language . Just my opinion .

Anything is possible . Could have been an alien craft . Could have been military .

Having had an incredible UFO experience , I don't rule anything out .

Originally posted by mikelee
Do you believe the official Air Force report?

The Air Force report by its own admission is incomplete. They didn't check the records of other government agencies so there may be more information not in the Air force report. I frankly don't see how anyone can listen to Marcel's description of the debris and not conclude it's project mogul, it sounds EXACTLY like mogul, as does the newspaper article about the "disk" being made of sticks, foil and tape, as does the FBI memo describing the "disk" as having 6 sides like a radar target for a balloon.

Everyone who saw the Foster Ranch debris describes foil, tape and sticks, and in fact is documented in the newspaper article the same way:

www.ufologie.net...

The next day he first heard about the flying disks, and he wondered if what he had found might be the remnants of one of these.

When the debris was gathered up the tinfoil, paper, tape, and sticks made a bundle about 18 or 20 inches long and about 5 inches thick. In all, he estimated, the entire lot would have weighed maybe five pounds

Considerable scotch tape and some tape with flowers printed upon it had been used in the construction.

So the first crash site was Mogul, no doubt in my mind.

What about the so-called second crash site? Maybe there was one, but if so it's so poorly documented we can't even be sure if it was in 1947, it could have been years later if there really even was a second crash site.

I looked for a newspaper article in 1947 about a second crash site in 1947 and can't find one, I don't think there was a second crash site in 1947, but if you can prove me wrong please do so, I'm open-minded.

[edit on 12-8-2010 by Arbitrageur]

About the strange markings seen on many of the parts found, I have heard someone in the know say about those, that said they saw some parts and also saw the opposites to those parts, like right side and left side, or mirror image parts, and the strange symbols were just in reversed order on the other part... for the sake of argument, if you were sitting inside the craft, there would be a front, back, and right and left sides, so, some assemblies could have mirror image parts... Interesting theory anyways...

So, they were indicating a possible part marking system stamped on parts.. pretty logical if it is true.. you would find part markings like that on all commercial aircraft today, except in english instead of reticulan

[edit on 11-8-2010 by alienreality]

Im absolutely convinced that they found a alien spacecraft, all others explanation are total BS.

One of the many things that let me think that is the ultra super fast developpement of technology like microchips, laser, computer etc.. look the technological progress we have done since 1950 !

In 60 years ! impossible without reverse engineering

No way a guy that only know about tube and bulbs "computers" biggest than my house wake up a morning and think about the very concept of microchips, optic fibers. miniaturized circuitry etc... i just dont buy it

The step between the pre 1950 technology and the one emerging in post 1950 is just to high.

What i try to said is the evolution is sopposed to be logical.

Its like your going to a car dealer tommorow and now the car they sell are nuclear cold fusion flying car , don't you think the evolution is just a little bit too fast ?

do i believe the official story? HELL NO
do i think something crashed and was coverd up. based on the govt involved and all the truth they share with the general public yes they are lieing will we ever learn the truth perhaps but if we do learn the truth about roswell how could you ever trust the govt again after being lied to for so long?

Do you believe the Roswell official explanation?


Operation Mogul Balloon?
NO

Operation Dummy Drop?
NO


It is a cover up. I believe Phil Corso. The fact that the excuse was changed 4 times www.truthseekeratroswell.com... says they are incapable of covering it up completely. The 1997 excuse of dummy's was totally unnecessary when they could have just stuck with the original explanation even though it was utter BS. If the Air Force had just stuck with the original "lie" the subject would have faded away.

But the whole dummy excuse was like an admittance of guilt, all they had to do was leave it alone. This what i do not understand. 53 years after they just decide "hey we were wrong it was dummies" is so ridiculous it makes me think they want us to think they are lying and that it was indeed a UFO & Aliens. I have a hard time believing the US Air Force is so incompetent it took them 53 years to admit a mistake or whatever you want to call it.

Now did aliens and a saucer crash? Im still unsure because of these facts. But all of these witnesses are confirming it to be true. Maybe the USAF wants us to think they want us to think it was Aliens so we think it was not aliens. After all they have long disposed of the alleged bodies and had the wreckage on lock down knowing WE will never get our hands on it. It is a psychological game with TPTB. The method is to create uncertainty. With uncertainty either you believe it or you do not believe it which gets us nowhere.

But we know the Air Force has plundered in all it's excuses. I like this one.

www.truthseekeratroswell.com...

Of all the excuses given over the years, I suppose my favorite has to be the 1997 report by the Air Force, in which they state that the bodies seen by witnesses were anthropomorphic crash test dummies. To my knowledge none of the witnesses have ever described the bodies as being 5’-8” to 5”-10” tall and weighing 180 pounds, which the crash test dummies are. Again I know this from first hand experience, having obtained a crash test dummy (pictured) from the Space Museum in Alamogordo, New Mexico for a display at the International UFO Museum and Research Center in Roswell a few years ago. Neither debunkers, critics, nor the Air Force however will defend this theory since the dummies were not even used until 1953, (6 years after the Roswell Incident happened). The Air Force shot themselves in the foot with the dummy excuse in 1997, and for many active duty Airmen I talked to when the report came out, it was an embarrassment.

Edgar Mitchell makes some great points in this interview. Bill Nye made an utter fool of himself by going with the balloon excuse when the Air Force changed it to dummies in 1997 lol. When debunking goes horribly wrong. BIll Nye Science Guy = FAIL

Or as Stan Friedman says Bill Nye the deny guy



Yes a disc crashed and aliens were in it. The USAF told us in their own way in 1997 without having to face some kind of back lash. It is right before you.

[edit on 12-8-2010 by Unknown Soldier]

As I understand it, there are about 300 affadavits from people who were involved with the Roswell incident, hands on. These 300 sworn statements swear that the incident was a UFO disk, and there were alien bodies.

Of course, 300 eye witnesses is overkill to prove something in court.

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
Everyone who saw the Foster Ranch debris describes foil, tape and sticks, and in fact is documented in the newspaper article the same way:

www.ufologie.net...

The next day he first heard about the flying disks, and he wondered if what he had found might be the remnants of one of these.

When the debris was gathered up the tinfoil, paper, tape, and sticks made a bundle about 18 or 20 inches long and about 5 inches thick. In all, he estimated, the entire lot would have weighed maybe five pounds

Considerable scotch tape and some tape with flowers printed upon it had been used in the construction.

this is the third or fourth time I've seen you post this pat answer. Why can't you realize, or do the research, that shows these "explanations" were after Army intimidation upon the people involved. Marcel never recanted his story that it wasn't "sticks, tape, tinfoil etc". Nor did others that saw the dedris from the 509th, And looking at the State of the Nation and National Security at the time in our history it would be very easy for the Army to convince people to lie under the guise of "National Security". You are also mixing in prior reports of honest weather balloon retrievals by the locals...

Jesse Marcel, Jr.'s excellent book removed any doubts I may have had regarding the Rosell Incident...

reply to post by Jim Scott


That is a compelling number, I do agree.

But isn't it possible, at least, that those 300 witnesses saw the bodies of test dummies, that have just been through a crash landing?

Couldn't that possibly cause the eye witnesses to speculate about their origins? What would constitute an alien body to an onlooker at that time?

I'm not saying this is what happened. I said Roswell in particular for me is a tough nut.

I'm just saying, legally, I'd call that reasonable doubt.