An occasional "thank you" would be nice.

I'm on a Section 8 housing subsidy because without it I would be homeless. Before that, for years we were on direct-pay welfare and foodstamps. Before that, we were in homeless shelters on a continuous basis.

You absolutely deserve and have my gratitude - both to you, everyone else who's tax dollars pay for this privilege, and even to the government with whose policies I so often and so vehemently disagree - for the existence of this service. Without it, as I said, we would be on the street. Not a day goes by that I am not grateful.

I am also eternally grateful to the various grassroots and even some religious entities which helped us lift ourselves out of even worse poverty, out of homeless shelters, etc. helped us with donations of clothing, basic essentials, etc. I will never forget them, and one day, when I am fully on my feet again both materially and psychologically, I plan to "pay it forward" as it were and try to do the same with my life for others.

I will not apologize for my circumstances or needs, or those of my family, however. And until someone has walked a mile in my shoes, or the shoes of those in far worse situations (of which there are no doubt many,) I personally don't feel anyone has justification (by my personal standards at least) to ask me to do so.

Thanks? Absolutely! Apology? No.

[edit on 8/11/2010 by AceWombat04]

reply to post by dreamwalker74

Originally posted by dreamwalker74
I, as a working American, no longer want to be forced, through taxes, to support the millions who intentionally defraud the system.

Clear enough?

Well then I guess you won't be supporting banks via mortgages, car loans etc.
I mean after all a good number of us feel they intentionally defrauded the system.

I know how you feel I provided contracted services for DHS. I've seen a lot of what you think you're seeing. Often it's the system itself that keeps people on the dole. DHS likes getting their weekly pay too....no customers no paychecks.

If the unemployed follows the typical advice given and settles for minimum wage jobs they're going to need some help too unless the cost of living comes down. The working poor comes to mind here.

Originally posted by plube
I want no thanks for helping others in need.
i want no thanks for being blessed and able body
i want no thanks for being a human being who is glad to help others
i want no thanks for paying the taxes that are removed from me not of my choice
i want no thanks for the scandalous politicians who steal from the poor to give to the rich.
i want for people in society to never have to worry about where their next meal comes from
i want people to have roofs over their heads and am glad when programs are there to help
i want and am glad i am able to work and if my working helps another then that is good
people whom live on and use things that are provided by the system do not do so mostly out of choice but out of need.
i am pleased to see when countries provide housing and medical care the the people in need.
how selfish to want to be thanked for being a member of society that can be in the position to help those less fortunate.
so please dont thank me when i try to help individuals in need.
just smile and hopefully one day you will be able to help another also.

Jiminy Cricket - Youd be the first person on ATS ever I'd welcome into my home; I know many and like a lot, but none so far have been as compassionate in their opinion as you.

YOU make me sad I hate humans.... Because you are good.

Wow.... I need to take a step back I think... maybe all is not lost...

reply to post by AceWombat04
I admit that I didn't look through most of the pages of flames, but Dreamwalker thinks that he deserves an apology from those that abuse the system.

If you aren't abusing the system then I don't think he ever asked for one from you.

It seems that many of the people in this thread have been blasting out against dreamwalker as if he is saying that he doesn't belive in social welfare programs at all, which isn't true, as reaffirmed with one of my replies.

So those of you angry at dreamwalker's arrogance of thinking that he deserves a pat on the back for paying for actual leeches, not those who really need it should ask yourselves why you think that these abusers of the system need not apologize.

But I guess that we all love mob mentality, so forget it and just continue on flaming him with no basis.

reply to post by Zaxxon


Where in my post did I flame anyone? I was in my opinion quite direct and polite. If I have offended anyone, my apologies.

i don't mean this in a negative way, but OP check your ego... you act like your the ONLY one who pays any taxes. its a very childish argument. i RESPECT your statement but still... who do you think u are? lol

leave america if your not happy. instead of wanting people to thank you for something millions of other people do

reply to post by dreamwalker74


Except that this spending has not come from your pocket. Show me evidence that your taxes have risen one cent to pay for these programs. They haven't.

If you work two jobs doesn't that leave someone without a job? Perhaps you should be villified for taking so much employment while others cannot find work no matter how hard they try?

The real issue is that employment in our economy does not mean the ability to live a decent life. Thats why you have to work two jobs. Taking away a job away from another in order to meet your nut just shows the real problem that exists in our economy. Instead of attacking those who need aid you should be attacking the system that requires you to work two jobs to make ends meet. After all, if your first job paid you adequately then you wouldn't have to take that second job away from somewhere else.

False rightousness is the theme of modern day life.

Originally posted by dreamwalker74
reply to post by dreamwalker74

 

No, on second thought that is not definition enough. I make my company $500,000 a year in profit, because I work 70 hours a week. My insurance covers up to $1,000,000 dollars in expenses. Because I have worked for the company for fifteen years, I feel I have met my obligation.

How about letting your fellow humans getting a shot at making some of that jack. You seem proud that you helped take $500,000 away from the general economy and into the hands of upur elite masters.

Equal allocation of resources first and foremost. Once everyone has an equal share then let the capitalists/innovators fight over what is left. Anyone who currently takes more than their share while seeing so many with so little, is simply selfish in my opinion. I am all for overachieving, but not when the cost is a substandard life for so many of the population.

So when are you going to say sorry for hogging such a large share of the resources or in the very least helping your employer do so?

by your logic shouldn't everyone just be thanking everyone else constantly? i dont even see the point of this thread other than to convince yourself

and you constantly state that no one is offering an intelligent response when i've seen plenty (not by me, i'm just cruising through to see what the hoopla is about). but yea try and keep an open mind and try playing devil's advocate for once. not everyone who disagrees with u is a socialist communist

[edit on 11-8-2010 by dannyfal]

I have met personally MANY people in my many years who are abusing the system via fictitious disabilities, food stamps, etc that are LIVING IT UP BIG TIME while WE are working 60 hours or more a week for HALF the freedom and fun that these fakers are able to enjoy daily.

But I do wish to say that while these CONS are living off OUR hard work, lets NOT forget that the current unemployed folks DO NOT BELONG IN THIS SAME CATEGORY!!!

Many of those currently unemployed are folks that I know personally who have truly worked HARD, no actually SLAVED hard for decades of their lives and now are unemployed through NO fault of their own. They want nothing more than to be employed again ASAP.

So, let us NOT ignorantly place those receiving unemployment benefits in the same category as that with the MOOCHERS of the system. They are NOT of the same category.

Just an important reminder.


[edit on 11-8-2010 by Baloney]

by the way, this whole thread is based on the assumption that people don't appreciate what they receive. for all you know everyday those people, even those who abuse the system, wake up and THANK dreamwalker for their government benefits.

as someone else already pointed out, its the system you should be mad at not the people taking advantage of it.

the only reason everyone in this thread sounds aggressive is because you sound defensive. as if you know what your saying is baloney and your just trying to get people to argue with you. yea we know mooching off the government isn't moral, so what? what else do you have to contribute to everyone's knowledgebase?

reply to post by dreamwalker74


I see that your Thread is getting flamed pretty hard, and I believe i know why.

I too, am sick and tired of people mooching off of the system. People that just pop out babies until they cant squeeze another drop of money out of the system. It seems to me that the lazier and more worthless the person is, the more federal funding they get out of my pocket. That really burns me up.

I also believe that now, after the financial collapse of the united states, some of the hard working people who, probably would have jumped right on the bandwagon with you a couple years ago, are now taking what you are saying to heart.

A hard working person, getting financial aid, who was unfortunate to have lost their job or become disabled somehow is all good in my book. I have absolutely no problem helping them out.

The worthless pieces of trash that mooch the system for every penny they can is who i have a problem with. How the hell does someone pull up to the social services office, in a brand new cadillac escelade with some god aweful huge rims and get out looking pristeene with their 6 kids looking like ragdolls, and get aid? I really dont know. But i see it all the time. I know a lady that actually drives a new tahoe who recieves 800 dollars a month in food stamps.

All of this goes on every day and its bringing us closer to collapse. One time back in my younger years I was pretty bad off. I had worked since i as 16 and had lost my job. How is it that i can pay every week for other people who are too lazy to get up and look for a job to have groceries and cheap rent, but when someone genually needs it they get told that they dont qualify. Guess i should have started having kids a little earlier?

Anywho... the bottom line is, I dont have a problem helping those who have genually been shafted, but those who choose to do absolutely nothing while having their hand out looking for something free can kiss my ass.

MOTF!

I probably qualify for many programs available for free money. Our family heritage is one of being capable, productive with progress orientation. Most of my ancestors seem to have been regular working folks. They arrived in 1632 from England and later others arrived from Wales, Ireland and Germany. But, it's understood that one must carry his own water in this world and occasionally help someone else, who for no fault of their own, can't carry theirs.
I had a friend who was a lawyer who worked half of the year and received unemployment the remaining time. That free money from the system was there for you to enjoy. It's free money and it's there if you just ask for it and then you can go to the beach, or a casino, or a club. You can buy for food or booze and just be happy.
When I told my lawyer friend my approach to life in the system. I was guffawed as a dolt. I live in a small town and the lawyer (corp lit.) lives and works in NYC.
I guess I'm from another planet or just a little slow. I would rather stay as far and away from this current mess as possible. Times have changed.

My family is one that has never received a dime of any social program. We never collected unemployment or any handout no matter how poor we were. We stand proud. You say"that money is yours, why not get it" I say let the lazy take it. I know so many people who could work but choose to collect unemployment and get more education. They are the drainbow children.

reply to post by dreamwalker74

Throughout this entire thread, very few have been willing to admit that:
1. Millions of people are milking the system for everything they can get.

2. Those that work, are the beneficiary of these people. They not only have to support themselves, but those who choose not to.

3. There is a political element that, would call my words, "angry", "deceptive" and for that matter "lies", because they are either unable to see the truth, or are doing everything they can to block the facts, and to conceal the truth.

Please, just one logical attack on my post, where I can say "OK" never thought of that!

Point taken, and valid point at that.

If we were to pie chart the govt Fiscal Budget and other Government expenditures comprising "Our Tax Dollars" which are also wasted by going to the pockets of corrupt bankers and politicians, it would far exceed the "Millions" spent on those milking the welfare system.

Were you aware of just how much for example the average, I repeat AVERAGE salary was, with bonuses at Goldman Sachs was last year ? After having taken our bailout money via the Bailout of AIG ?

OVER $900,000. per year. ----Average Income

Additionally, we are spending

We are spending MILLIONS of tax Dollars per day on the Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Cost of Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan per day....
(based on adjusted DOD FY 2007 obligations)

Per Day $410 million

Did you know that Halliburton doesn't repair any of their vehicles, they simply leave them on the side of the road if they run out of gas or break down because another one , paid for by our tax dollars is on the way ?

But that generally isn't mentioned by Hannity or Beck ....at all.

So, to be absolutely fair about it. Let us call a Spade a Spade.

Please request thanks from ALL of those whom are also becoming rich on our tax dollars as well.








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reply to post by nh_ee


What the heck is "General Government" that it takes up 11%?

reply to post by MessOnTheFED!

How the hell does someone pull up to the social services office, in a brand new cadillac escelade with some god aweful huge rims and get out looking pristeene with their 6 kids looking like ragdolls, and get aid? I really dont know. But i see it all the time.

That's a great question one that should be directed at the department imo. Having worked for DHS I've seen it all the time too. From my own experience I can tell you the department hates working people who need just a little help. Workers get the complete runaround. They usually just give up and go away. Sorry the system isn't really set up for those who are willing to try. Self-motivators are not wanted.

Instead the department gets career welfare recipients. Those who know how to play the system and follow the warped rules to the letter. Working people don't get it. They really don't know their rights or feel too ashamed to fight for them. They get intimidated right out of the system.

The working poor are made to feel like criminals because they're job attached. It's often insinuated that working people don't report all of their income whether there's evidence or not. I've heard of working people being followed by investigators. The department doesn't like the working poor because it takes more man hours to verify income. They would actually have to do their jobs for a change instead of just rubber stamping welfare moms.

I've provided department services for both the lazy takers and people who are really having a bad time but are willing to try. Every time the workers seem to get the shaft while the lazy ones are rewarded. I wasn't privy to their case files but I got to know the people. Just my opinion/experience.

While we're at it we should also solicit thank you's from the corporate CEO's and bigwigs who continually solicit the government for subsidies, tax breaks and various other "favors." Then funnel that money into their own bank accounts through bonuses. .

Corporate welfare is far more prevalent than the misuse of social programs.

Keep eating up the propaganda that your lazy neighbors down the street are using up all of your tax dollars. This is a divide and conquer media strategy designed to keep you from looking at who is taking most of your money. Guess who owns the media that keeps the topic riled up?

Keep blaming your neighbors. . . sigh.

reply to post by Morningglory


Exactly my point. The lazy leading the lazy with the working persons money as bait. Gotta love how crooked the system is.

MOTF!

reply to post by clay2 baraka


Follow by example. Nice isnt it?
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