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Originally posted by AngryCymraeg
Sorry, but you think that Leuchter is an expert in his field??? Seriously? ROFL!!!
Originally posted by MoonMine
Originally posted by AngryCymraeg
Sorry, but you think that Leuchter is an expert in his field??? Seriously? ROFL!!!
Can you without reasonable doubt prove that Fred Leuchter was not considered THE foremost expert in gas chambers and executions in the United States prior to his report and subsequent destruction?
I see you completely ignore my posting of the Zündel trial notes and challenge to you but rather choose to spout more blanket statements. It has now become blatently clear what your true motives are here in this thread.
It certainly is not finding the truth about the gas chambers and the alleged mass extermination of the Jews.
Originally posted by minafromRio
reply to post by AngryCymraeg
Thanks! How about the other point made. I have read that too. Initially there was a plaque or something at Auschwitz that said 4 million died there. Now the new plaque says 1.5 million died at Auschwitz. How do they deal with these numbers that seem at odds with the story as typically told in the main?
Originally posted by AngryCymraeg
Oh, you mean this Leuchter - www.nytimes.com... You know, the guy who was charged with fraud and whose machine would have paralysed people and caused excruciating pain before eventually killing them? The fraud?
As for your trial notes I find them to be extremely iffy, as your link is to a document put out by "Samisdat Publishers" who by a strange co-incidence were the same people who printed "Did Six Million Really Die" and other such poorly researched rubbish. So there was a reason why I ignored it. It's valueless.
My true motives are quite clear by the way. I'm tired of people claiming, based on bad evidence and twisted reasoning, that the Holocaust never happened. It did. My grandfather saw it at Bergen-Belsen.
Originally posted by MoonMine
Thank you for confirming your agenda for all to see.
And with regards to the Zündel trial. All exchanges and the Christie cross-examinations are in public court record for anyone to read. The fact that they have been published is because they were extremely important. The publisher who published them is not.
Would you have read the transcripts you would have understood why. The fact you discard them for invalid reasons is another indication you are simply here to derail serious investigation of the questions with regards to the alleged extermination of Jews during WWII and the alleged gas chambers.
For your information: no gassings took place in Bergen-Belsen. Wiesenthal and Yad Vashem concluded there were no extermination camps on German soil. Corpses that were examined by allied field medics showed in almost all cases cause of death to be pectoral typhus. None were found to have been gassed - not a single corpse. Those are facts that also can be easily verified as they are part of public record as well.
For someone who claims to have studied history I would start to ask myself some serious questions with regards to your objectivity.
edit on 23-11-2012 by MoonMine because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by filosophia
Here is a great video of German Ernst Zundel and Jew David Cole team up and demolish the holocaust myths at the actual Auschwitz camp. If anyone cries antisemitism after watching this video they must be very scared of the truth.
zioncrimefactory.com...
edit on 23-11-2012 by filosophia because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by AngryCymraeg
I know that no gassings took place at Bergen-Belsen. The fact that so many thousands of people were jammed into such a small place with inadequate food, housing, water and basic medical supplies for the so-called crime of being Jewish is more than adequate testimony to the mental mindset of the animals who were running Germany at that time. That was the point I was trying to make.
Originally posted by AngryCymraeg
Originally posted by filosophia
Here is a great video of German Ernst Zundel and Jew David Cole team up and demolish the holocaust myths at the actual Auschwitz camp. If anyone cries antisemitism after watching this video they must be very scared of the truth.
zioncrimefactory.com...
edit on 23-11-2012 by filosophia because: (no reason given)
The very name of the website says everything about the argument. So, no actual historical facts then?
Originally posted by MoonMine
The only historical fact I see here is the same poster attacking the messenger for lack of arguments, intelligence and morals. I find you have questionable motives and display an absurd lack of objectivity.
Maybe you are angry as your handle suggests? Anger is not a good starting point for objective research you know.
Originally posted by MoonMine
The fact that so many thousands of people were jammed into such a small place with inadequate food, housing, water and basic medical supplies for the so-called crime of being Japanese is more than adequate testimony to the mental mindset of the animals who were running The United States at that time.
(Wartime internment of Japanese Citizens in the U.S.)
The fact that so many thousands of people were jammed into such a small place with inadequate food, housing, water and basic medical supplies for the so-called crime of being German is more than adequate testimony to the mental mindset of the animals who were running The United States at that time.
(Eisenhower's DEF/Rheinwiesenlager Camps 1945-1949)
Shall we accuse the U.S. of mass murder as well?
We could very easily do so given Eisenhower knowingly let German soldiers and civilians starve to death in his scandalous DEF camps. There was no housing for the prisoners and little to no food. Can you guess what happened? Four years. I recommend reading "Other Losses" written by James Bacque.
Deportations and concentrations are WRONG whomever executes them be it Eisenhower or Hitler.
But they are NOT evidence of mass murder - nor do they magically lead to gas chambers.
Originally posted by filosophia
reply to post by AngryCymraeg
I posted that link for you dude, I knew you would get pissed at the mention of Ernst Zundel, or David Cole, or zioncrimefactory. I figure one or the other or all three would piss you off. Happy thanksgiving.
Originally posted by filosophia
reply to post by AngryCymraeg
Yet another ad hominem attack. Wow. Can you say one sentence that doesn't involve an ad hominem attack?
Originally posted by filosophia
reply to post by AngryCymraeg
Yet another ad hominem attack. Wow. Can you say one sentence that doesn't involve an ad hominem attack?
Originally posted by MoonMine
I would not bother with this poster filosophia, I think he/she has exposed him/herself pretty well.
This is the exterminationalist method of operation:
first ridicule the topic itself
then ridicule the evidence
then ridicule its supporters
...and when that more or less fails simply attack the messengers.
In no way will they address the evidence and discard it with sweeping statements.